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Thread: Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

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    Re: Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    Which is exactly why none of us seem to know who is credible, and who is not. Even when we think we know, we don't.

    In this crazy, fast-paced world where information is rocketed to the world in split seconds via the internet, all that seems to matter is getting the information out first so you get all the attention, or strictly playing an angle to make a buck regardless of right/wrong.

    I am losing faith in the motives of almost everything that is said or done anymore.

    When Donald Trump says something off the cuff that is as close to the truth as scientific studies published in respected publications and communities, something is wrong with how things are being done. As I stated in my reply to El-Gonzo above, "experts" were calling Trump an idiot, and claiming hydroxychloroquine was potentially dangerous when used to treat COVID-19. They even stated some possible dangers as if they had already conducted a study.

    Unsubstantiated claims by the President and the experts. Not good all the way around.
    I think that tools for establishing the credibility of information do exist and we are all pretty much capable of using them. But you have hit on the key problem/issue -- first is all that matters.

    And honestly, most of us know better than to just read something somewhere and decide that it is iron-clad fact. But I do not have the time and inclination to research everything I come across.

    I think we all need to seriously reconsider what our priorities are. Do we want ALL the information THIS DAMN INSTANT for free or would be trade a bit of a delay and maybe a few dollars a week for reliable consistent information?

    I find it alarming that this is seeping into academic/scientific publications. They are already ferociously expensive and not typically concerned with any kind of time pressure to get the information out. You can't get "scooped" - either an author wants to publish it in your journal or they don't. So to see the established system break-down so badly in this case is really troubling.

    But I find everything troubling lately...

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    Re: Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I saw this somewhere else earlier today and think it applies here and I will attempt to summarize it.

    When the Boston marathon was bombed and we said "Boston Strong" no one said "All Cities are Strong".
    When the Vegas shooting happened and we "Stand with Vegas" no one said "What about the shootings in my city"?
    When various overseas and domestic terrorist incidents have happened and everyone supports the place in crisis; no one says "But what about the crisis that happened in my city".
    We raise money and awareness for specific diseases and conditions and no one feels that it takes away from other disease cure efforts.

    Of course all lives matter. But "all lives" are not currently in crisis. Usually we promote attention and action towards groups that are currently responding to a crisis or ongoing critical problem that does not seem to be getting solved.
    That's exactly what I'm trying to say.






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    Re: Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

    Quote Originally Posted by 43Hitman View Post
    That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
    I thought so. I was only trying to shamelessly piggyback off your already existing post.

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    Re: Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaDan View Post
    An oldie but a goodie

    How has buying airline stocks after you posted this on March 9 worked out for you?

    What is your next hot stock tip - lightning rod manufacturers?
    guys ...

    I wonder if he knows ...
    An empty victory is a victory nonetheless.

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    Re: Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    guys ...

    I wonder if he knows ...
    Yeah he knows

    Just got burned out on posting here

    Good to know I am still living rent free inside your head
    Thanks for the memories

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    Re: Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    No, of course not. It's just that people that should know better are making claims on both sides of the issue. As you just said, and I said a few weeks ago: It's too early to know everything there is to know. I believe my quote was something like....the only people that are correct are those that say there isn't enough information to know.
    The thing with medical studies is they all pretty much end with a statement..."further investigation is recommended." its pretty much a CYA for when something happens years down the road like artificial sweeteners cause brain tumors or J&J Talcum Powder causes cancer. But its also an admission that you can almost never state 100% absolute conclusion.

    The thing is there have been enough retrospective studies from independent and reputable institutions to point to it having no benefit better than placebo. The other side was almost always a biased organization or hearsay. I'm with mojow on the point that if people want to claim ignorance to facts as their defense to a topic, then go ahead. Darwinism.

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