Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

[Mojouw]

I went through the whole 60s thing. Fought in Vietnam, came home and went to college in Boston surrounded by protests, so on and so forth. I never lost faith in this country once during that whole time. Now? I have very little faith left and fear that we are heading towards total disaster if something doesn't change soon.

That’s an interesting take and far beyond my experience to adequately address. Sad to hear you feel that way.

[43Hitman]

This is a much better and more succinct version of what I was trying to say. We shot ourselves in the foot with BULLSHIT.

Yeah, instead of coming together to find common ground all we have done is find ways that we are different and special. And because of that we deserve different or special treatment. And that turned into the total cluster fuck of I want, I want, I'm entitled, your ancestors did this or that. PAY ME!!!!!!

[tom444]

Not quite. Nobody made any money from it, nobody gained any political influence (I think some believed they would, but failed) - BUT a lot of miserable pukes got to feel good in the early days with "I-told-you-so" internet dogpiles. A lot of others did the same with IRL versions of that. Some are still hanging on to it. The media may not "benefit" from it, but individual members of it get to feel important, and best of all, RIGHT. Same with the social media groupthink - we may not be doing anyone any good, but dammit, we're RIGHT.

Basically, we deliberately fucked up the entire world because a lot of people who were carrying around the dipshit college mentality of "America sucks, humanity sucks" all screamed at the top of their lungs at once.

Yes, this is certainly a very oversimplified version of everything that happened, but very clearly, the herd was prodded into motion and then ran everything over.

It is, however something that we should be worried about, because while these people may have been "inept" in that they did not profit from it, the fact that they could do so much damage with what is essentially a temper tantrum is very dangerous to us all.

Sure, and don't forget:

[steelreserve]

Sure, and don't forget:

It is a very interesting concept to me that someone could get the takeaway "omg liberal conspiracy" from the message "this is the result of political idiots dictating policy by having a public monkey shit fight."

[Mojouw]

I think it's hilarious that despite the stark contrasts and sharp disagreement that take place here; it is still more enlightening and useful than 95% of the debate I usually come across.

[tom444]

It is a very interesting concept to me that someone could get the takeaway "omg liberal conspiracy" from the message "this is the result of political idiots dictating policy by having a public monkey shit fight."

Is that suppose to make some kind of sense?

[43Hitman]

I think it's hilarious that despite the stark contrasts and sharp disagreement that take place here; it is still more enlightening and useful than 95% of the debate I usually come across.

LMAO! That right there brother is the truth! We get testy and pissy in here sometimes, but all in all we get along pretty damn good.

[tom444]

Any volunteers?

Support for Vaccine Challenge Trials Gains Momentum

The idea of deliberately infecting volunteers with SARS-CoV-2 has garnered significant attention as a potential avenue to speedier development, as the World Health Organization weighs in with recommendations.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...momentum-67525

[Mojouw]

LMAO! That right there brother is the truth! We get testy and pissy in here sometimes, but all in all we get along pretty damn good.

I figure we do pretty good for a football forum. I know I get after it with some people and strongly disagree a bunch -- but I don't mean to offend or at least not too much...

Honestly, hope everyone muddles through all this as best as they can. Hopefully soon something normal will re-emerge.

I certainly would prefer to go back to arguing about how Tomlin is a cheerleader and Randy Fichtner is an idiot over thinking about all this other crap every damn day.

[43Hitman]

I figure we do pretty good for a football forum. I know I get after it with some people and strongly disagree a bunch -- but I don't mean to offend or at least not too much...

Honestly, hope everyone muddles through all this as best as they can. Hopefully soon something normal will re-emerge.

I certainly would prefer to go back to arguing about how Tomlin is a cheerleader and Randy Fichtner is an idiot over thinking about all this other crap every damn day.

From your lips to God's ear.

[Mach1]

I figure we do pretty good for a football forum. I know I get after it with some people and strongly disagree a bunch -- but I don't mean to offend or at least not too much...

Honestly, hope everyone muddles through all this as best as they can. Hopefully soon something normal will re-emerge.

I certainly would prefer to go back to arguing about how Tomlin is a cheerleader and Randy Fichtner is an idiot over thinking about all this other crap every damn day.

Don't think we have to worry to much about that this year. I doubt the NFL makes it thru training camp before the kibosh gets put on the season.

[steelreserve]

Any volunteers?



https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...momentum-67525

I would be interested in this, as there is nearly zero danger to me, and either way you come out of it with immunity. Might as well get it over with.

[tom444]

I would be interested in this, as there is nearly zero danger to me, and either way you come out of it with immunity. Might as well get it over with.

Here you go:

Volunteer Sign-Up

Covid-19 Human Challenge Trial

Human challenge trials deliberately expose volunteers to infection in order to study diseases and test vaccines or other treatment. They have been used for seasonal flu, typhoid, malaria, and cholera, among others. Researchers are exploring whether human challenge trials could speed up the development of a COVID-19 vaccine by several months, which could save millions of lives, as argued here. Even developing a vaccine one day sooner could avert tens of thousands of deaths.
We (Josh Morrison and friends) are a group of volunteers who read about the possibility of a human challenge trial and were inspired to create a hub for people to volunteer and to advocate for safe and rapid vaccine development.
Sign up below if you would be interested to participate in a human challenge trial for COVID-19 and, potentially, advocate for safe and rapid vaccine development. Please note: this is only an expression of interest. There will be multiple stages of registration and pre-qualification before selected volunteers can formally consent to participating in any human challenge trial (if ultimately approved and conducted). We will not share your information with anyone else for any reason, but will contact you with opportunities to participate in human challenge trials or related advocacy activities as they become available.


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https://www.thecovidchallenge.org

[silver & black]

We're only a couple of months into this people. Can't you wait 'till we're a year into it before going completely nuts?

No. For a lot of us.... a year is a death sentence. But, I wouldn't expect you and others like you to understand.

[43Hitman]

No. For a lot of us.... a year is a death sentence. But, I wouldn't expect you and others like you to understand.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure shit will hit the fan long before a year gets here. Pretty naive of some people to expect people to take going broke laying down. Especially when it isn't even their fault.

[steelreserve]

Here you go:

I'll see what it turns up. Those people sound pretty haphazard.

Only issue, though, is that being immune wouldn't really do anything for me, because it's not going to kill me regardless. So I guess the only benefit would be to make some people shut the fuck up.

[tom444]

No. For a lot of us.... a year is a death sentence.

Well I guess that's it for you then.

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Pretty naive of some people to expect people to take going broke laying down.

What are you going to do about it, cry?

[43Hitman]

Well I guess that's it for you then.

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What are you going to do about it, cry?

You sir can go fuck yourself.

[tom444]

You sir can go fuck yourself.

As I said, we're only two months into this, try preparing yourself for the long term and stop threatening others like a child.

Let me ask you, did you think you were going to go through life without at least one of the 4 horsemen appearing?

[silver & black]

Well I guess that's it for you then.

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What are you going to do about it, cry?

I've been very civil with you, up to this point. With this post you have proven to be an uncaring, non understanding, fuck you, pieceof shit. So.... FUCK YOU! It's all good since you are just fine, and have ZERO to lose in this gigantic fucking fiasco. I will not respond to another thing you post. You are nothing but a fucking loser troll that is relishing in your non consequential trolling of others. you care nothing about anyone else ... only screaming from the safety of your home while being completely un affected by any of this. Again... FUCK YOU!

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Well I guess that's it for you then.

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What are you going to do about it, cry?

I've been very civil with you, up to this point. With this post you have proven to be an uncaring, non understanding, fuck you, pieceof shit. So.... FUCK YOU! It's all good since you are just fine, and have ZERO to lose in this gigantic fucking fiasco. I will not respond to another thing you post. You are nothing but a fucking loser troll that is relishing in your non consequential trolling of others. you care nothing about anyone else ... only screaming from the safety of your home while being completely un affected by any of this. Again... FUCK YOU!

[tom444]

..........you are just fine, and have ZERO to lose in this gigantic fucking fiasco........

Boy you're really blind aren't you.

[Mojouw]

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/13/212481...masks-stimulus

Interesting ideas about things that might actually work on both the economy and the virus. Implementing these or other "bold" ideas is what actual leadership would look like.

Also a bit of additional data that until the virus is countered the economy looks buggered even without shutdowns.

Overall, some powerful indicators that without significant federal spending getting unleashed, we're all screwed.

But, Best Buy is there for you with curbside delivery.

[tom444]

But, Best Buy is there for you with curbside delivery.

See, it isn't all bad.

[silver & black]

Boy you're really blind aren't you.

Nope.... eyes wide open. Don't bother.... I'm done.

[tom444]

.. only screaming from the safety of your home while being completely un affected by any of this. Again... FUCK YOU!

"while being completely un affected by any of this"?

Are you that self involved that you believe that?

[Hawkman]

I guess I can say this now....I have had the virus. It wasn’t great, but didn’t kill me. The weirdest part....I had no sense of taste or smell for three weeks. I told my wife, I think I would rather be deaf than go the rest of my life not being able to taste or smell. If you want anymore info. Let me know. This thing was in this country well before the “experts” thought. I went through it back in mid February.

[steelreserve]

I've been very civil with you, up to this point. With this post you have proven to be an uncaring, non understanding, fuck you, pieceof shit. So.... FUCK YOU! It's all good since you are just fine, and have ZERO to lose in this gigantic fucking fiasco. I will not respond to another thing you post. You are nothing but a fucking loser troll that is relishing in your non consequential trolling of others. you care nothing about anyone else ... only screaming from the safety of your home while being completely un affected by any of this. Again... FUCK YOU!

You've got to remember you're dealing with a 14-year-old here. They get off on this shit.

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/13/212481...masks-stimulus

Interesting ideas about things that might actually work on both the economy and the virus. Implementing these or other "bold" ideas is what actual leadership would look like.

Also a bit of additional data that until the virus is countered the economy looks buggered even without shutdowns.

Overall, some powerful indicators that without significant federal spending getting unleashed, we're all screwed.

But, Best Buy is there for you with curbside delivery.

One thing that has puzzled me, but I will admit I don't know any of the advanced scientific reasons for, is why a vaccine is so difficult to produce. On a very elementary level, you grow some samples of the virus in a lab, you kill it, you inject the dead virus into people, they develop antibodies. Very basic high-school level stuff, but they've cured diseases that way. For some reason, I guess it's not so simple with this one, but I have no idea why.

Now, if the reason they're not just doing that and injecting people will-nilly is that it would only be effective part of the time, or they need to jump through regulatory hoops to certify it, then that would be really fuckin stupid.

[tom444]

I guess I can say this now....I have had the virus. It wasn’t great, but didn’t kill me. The weirdest part....I had no sense of taste or smell for three weeks. I told my wife, I think I would rather be deaf than go the rest of my life not being able to taste or smell. If you want anymore info. Let me know. This thing was in this country well before the “experts” thought. I went through it back in mid February.

You came out the other side. Good for you.

[Mojouw]

You've got to remember you're dealing with a 14-year-old here. They get off on this shit.



One thing that has puzzled me, but I will admit I don't know any of the advanced scientific reasons for, is why a vaccine is so difficult to produce. On a very elementary level, you grow some samples of the virus in a lab, you kill it, you inject the dead virus into people, they develop antibodies. Very basic high-school level stuff, but they've cured diseases that way. For some reason, I guess it's not so simple with this one, but I have no idea why.

Now, if the reason they're not just doing that and injecting people will-nilly is that it would only be effective part of the time, or they need to jump through regulatory hoops to certify it, then that would be really fuckin stupid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mia...242203256.html

The science says that the vaccine process is far more complex than how we all usually talk about it.

A vaccine may simply never be found.

[Mojouw]

A bit more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nat...er-than-a-year

Basically we already have vaccines for all the nasty things you can just dink around with weakened bits of the bug and come out with a vaccine.

For others, that approach just doesn't do anything effective.

After that, I'd have to read up on it all some more. Currently don't know enough to lay out details.