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    Nobody lied. This was going to be a long haul from the get go. If you didn't realize that you lied to yourself.
    No. We were told 4 weeks shelter at home... at least in Ohio. If they knew better... they lied.... to us and all the businesses they destroyed. I understand what you are saying, but you have no skin in the game, other than just stay home... you're fine. I'm not fine... and I stand to lose everything. I suppose it all depends on where you are in this. Those of you that are doing well and will continue to do well really don't give a damn about those of us that are on the verge of losing their jobs for good... and everything else after that.

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    I just saw two people walk by my house with no masks on.

    Think people, think.
    Big deal. They were outside.

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    Glad to hear it.

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    I just saw two people walk by my house with no masks on.

    Think people, think.
    Quick call the police.



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    .......but you have no skin in the game, other than just stay home... .
    Yeah, no skin in the game other then the possibility of dying.

    Big deal. They were outside.
    It's a crowded area.

    Governor Baker has issued an Order effective Wednesday, May 6 requiring face masks or cloth face coverings in public places where social distancing is not possible.
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    Quick call the police.
    This is an example of the dumb as you can be crowd.

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    Another piece of all of this is that most states had 4-8 weeks to come up with a plan to re-open things. And for far too many, the plan is "Okay. Everyone go back out and start buying shit and spending money." That is a comically inept and unrealistic plan. You can re-open things all you want, but if there is no mechanisms in place to foster and restore "consumer confidence" then this is just going to keep flat lining. There are a great # of data points now out there that 60-80% of people in the country started pulling out of public spaces and consumer spending 2-3 weeks prior to any federal or state mandated shutdowns.

    This isn't a support of any specific plan or to get people to not be angry at your local, state, or federal government(s) but to think it all the way through. Consumer demand and confidence is at low levels not seen in a long time. Raw un-manipulated data demonstrates that this started weeks prior to shutdowns. Very early and "fuzzy" data points are emerging from the last 7-10 days where things are reopening - and they suck. Like we are all losing our jobs and closing our business anyways suck. Will they rebound quick enough to turn that around? No one knows, but if the rate of new infections and deaths keeps climbing at a rate the average Joe and Jane Q Public get queasy over, no one is going to go out and spend $$$ in the town square.

    End of Shutdown/Shelter in Place Orders = $$$Economy$$$ is a false proposition. I am unemployed in 12 days in a frozen labor market and due to my job(s) classification(s) qualify for zero assistance programs. So please understand that I am freaking the hell out as well. But until the average person perceives (doesn't matter if these are not the real set of choices, but the ones that an anxious public believes exist) that there are a set of choices aside from "support the economy by buying more crap you don't need in a public setting" and "drown in your own lung fluids"; ain't nobody but hand sanitizer companies making money.

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    Re: Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

    Yeah, no skin in the game other then the possibility of dying.
    There is the possibility of dying every time you walk outside. Every time you get in a car. Every time you wake up and greet the day. C'mon man.... you can't possibly be that big of a coward.

    I'll take my chances living life, rather than cower in the house until the all clear is sounded.

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    I just saw two people walk by my house with no masks on.

    Think people, think.
    I think most of us know the story with masks. They are not really proven to obstruct or help in containing things, mostly because the general public doesn't know how to properly use them without minimizing contamination. But, for the average person that doesn't know they shouldn't be coughing in the direction of other people or realize they talk like angry Bill Cowher, its not a bad idea.

    I agree with Mojouw that lots of people with only opinions and not understanding, believe they are entitled to act in a manner contrary to that recommended by health officials with guidelines based upon science and evidence. Those actions have prolonged the time to safely open the states/country compared to other countries. Sadly, it is what it is. A lot of people believe the louder they talk, the more correct they are, despite having not substance to their point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Another piece of all of this is that most states had 4-8 weeks to come up with a plan to re-open things. And for far too many, the plan is "Okay. Everyone go back out and start buying shit and spending money." That is a comically inept and unrealistic plan. You can re-open things all you want, but if there is no mechanisms in place to foster and restore "consumer confidence" then this is just going to keep flat lining. There are a great # of data points now out there that 60-80% of people in the country started pulling out of public spaces and consumer spending 2-3 weeks prior to any federal or state mandated shutdowns.

    This isn't a support of any specific plan or to get people to not be angry at your local, state, or federal government(s) but to think it all the way through. Consumer demand and confidence is at low levels not seen in a long time. Raw un-manipulated data demonstrates that this started weeks prior to shutdowns. Very early and "fuzzy" data points are emerging from the last 7-10 days where things are reopening - and they suck. Like we are all losing our jobs and closing our business anyways suck. Will they rebound quick enough to turn that around? No one knows, but if the rate of new infections and deaths keeps climbing at a rate the average Joe and Jane Q Public get queasy over, no one is going to go out and spend $$$ in the town square.

    End of Shutdown/Shelter in Place Orders = $$$Economy$$$ is a false proposition. I am unemployed in 12 days in a frozen labor market and due to my job(s) classification(s) qualify for zero assistance programs. So please understand that I am freaking the hell out as well. But until the average person perceives (doesn't matter if these are not the real set of choices, but the ones that an anxious public believes exist) that there are a set of choices aside from "support the economy by buying more crap you don't need in a public setting" and "drown in your own lung fluids"; ain't nobody but hand sanitizer companies making money.
    I'm sorry to hear that, honest. The problem is that we were all deceived through this whole thing. Now, "they" are starting to "pay" for their dishonesty. Believe me... I know the virus is real. I know we need to take precautions. But I firmly believe there is more going on than just the virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    I'm sorry to hear that, honest. The problem is that we were all deceived through this whole thing. Now, "they" are starting to "pay" for their dishonesty. Believe me... I know the virus is real. I know we need to take precautions. But I firmly believe there is more going on than just the virus.
    Thanks. And I sympathize with your situation as well. It is all sucks.

    But I gotta part ways with the "they" and "more going on" stuff. For me, it makes zero sense. Like play it all the way out. Who benefits? What is the benefit to "they"? It isn't like there has been a swell of support for one political party over the other. Many entrenched politicians have seen their approval ratings plummet. So there seems to be no coherent gain there; either short or long term. No one is making any money off this. It wasn't like oil prices skyrocketed or something and all these Bilderburg elites cornered the market and made a killing.

    If the argument is that it is all to exert more control over the daily lives of the average person and make us more dependent on the state; there are far more effective ways to do that. For one, you could pick one that doesn't send more people into poverty than anything since the Great Depression. At some point those in control will collapse under the weight of such a high % of people that can't support themselves.

    If the idea is that is an engineered bioweapon, again it makes no sense. It kills to indiscriminately and too ineffectively for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    There is the possibility of dying every time you walk outside. Every time you get in a car.
    Imagine?

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    I think most of us know the story with masks. They are not really proven to obstruct or help in containing things, mostly because the general public doesn't know how to properly use them without minimizing contamination. But, for the average person that doesn't know they shouldn't be coughing in the direction of other people or realize they talk like angry Bill Cowher, its not a bad idea.
    On a city sidewalk where everyone who comes out of their house to go to their car, or whatever, and uses the same narrow sidewalk, you wear one. That's not only the right thing to do, it's the rule here in Boston.

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    Re: Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

    Imagine wearing a mask as you walk around the city? How cowardly.


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    On a city sidewalk where everyone who comes out of their house to go to their car, or whatever, and uses the same narrow sidewalk, you wear one. That's not only the right thing to do, it's the rule here in Boston.
    I shop in the grocery store, give people distance and don't get into face to face discussions 3ft away from somebody. I don't spit when I talk and don't currently have a cough, so I don't bother to wear one.

    Virus is spread by infected droplets spread to mucous membranes of other people. I don't generate droplets when close to other people, don't touch other surfaces and then contact myself, carry waterless sanitizer to disinfect when I am going to touch something like my car door after shopping...... so the potential of me spreading infection if I was infected is pretty much nil.

    I have worked for decades in an environment where I have to know sterile technique and understand the transmission of virus and blood borne pathogens, so I get it. I watch people wearing masks in the grocery store and then grab it to adjust the mask, which just contaminated their hand or the mask...but they don't know what they just did. Ignorance is bliss sometimes.

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    I shop in the grocery store, give people distance and don't get into face to face discussions 3ft away from somebody. I don't spit when I talk and don't currently have a cough, so I don't bother to wear one.
    I don't know where you live but you can't shop here without one on. It's not a choice.

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    Imagine wearing a mask as you walk around the city? How cowardly.

    Yeah, its like not being able to carry a pocket knife on an airplane. Or taking your shoes off for a TSA screening before a flight.

    Not just cowardly, but an unthinkable infringement of my personal rights. Oh, things were so much simpler in the spring of 2001.

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    No. We were told 4 weeks shelter at home... at least in Ohio. If they knew better... they lied.... to us and all the businesses they destroyed. I understand what you are saying, but you have no skin in the game, other than just stay home... you're fine. I'm not fine... and I stand to lose everything. I suppose it all depends on where you are in this. Those of you that are doing well and will continue to do well really don't give a damn about those of us that are on the verge of losing their jobs for good... and everything else after that.

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    Big deal. They were outside.
    I feel for ya, people need to be allowed to live at some point.

    The wife and I have an assisted living and it's getting sketchy as hell. So far we've been able to keep everybody employed and virus free(knock on wood). We're a little closer to this on a daily basis than a certain pats* fan living in his basement.
    We got a lot of people to worry about and funds are starting to dry up. Much longer and we'll be right there beside you, your not alone.


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    Much longer and we'll be right there beside you, your not alone.
    You must be doing a hell of a job.

    BTW, I see you're employed.

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    I feel for ya, people need to be allowed to live at some point.

    The wife and I have an assisted living and it's getting sketchy as hell. So far we've been able to keep everybody employed and virus free(knock on wood). We're a little closer to this on a daily basis than a certain pats* fan living in his basement.
    We got a lot of people to worry about and funds are starting to dry up. Much longer and we'll be right there beside you, your not alone.
    Just curious, but shouldn't your income be coming from residents? Therefore...what has changed in the assisted living equation? Is it not being able to send resident out for medical testing and treatment? Are you residents working and living in assisted living so they can't pay their bills? Or their families?

    I am seriously not critiquing you. Just trying to understand. I envision assisted living as a bunch of older and medically compromised people paying you rent to live there that were not working anyways. So what is the changed piece under the current setting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Yup. No one is happy, anywhere. I have friends and family in red and blue states. Everyone hates everyone now. We can argue until we are blue in the face about the specifics, but each level of government screwed the pooch on this one. Efforts exist across the nation to get people off of unemployment. Which is super screwed up because those $$$'s are not from taxpayers; they are from business that pay into the unemployment pool. So again, screw the little guy and benefit the big $$$ guy.

    Honestly, I don't care what party is in power where, just vote in people that actually want to work for the majority of voters. Not just their big $$$ campaign donor over-lords.
    Totally agree with you on all of that. Sickening.


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    Just curious, but shouldn't your income be coming from residents? Therefore...what has changed in the assisted living equation? Is it not being able to send resident out for medical testing and treatment? Are you residents working and living in assisted living so they can't pay their bills? Or their families?

    I am seriously not critiquing you. Just trying to understand. I envision assisted living as a bunch of older and medically compromised people paying you rent to live there that were not working anyways. So what is the changed piece under the current setting?
    Your not wrong.

    Some are medicaid, we get what we get there, which isn't much. A few have retirement, pensions. Mostly it's families and they're in tight spots or not working right now. We are not going to kick people out because of that, it doesn't do either of us any good in the long run. More stress on the families and an empty room for us. We're not receiving new residents until we feel it's safe to do so or we absolutely have no other choice to and pray we don't bring the covid in that way.
    We'll take what the families can pay if at all, but it is what it is. We're in a very small community here, less than 6000 people, just trying to do what we can to help. We aren't going to ask for back pay from them, can't get blood out of a turnip lol. So that's kind of where we are at....
    It's really really tight right now, without going into a lot of specifics, supplies cost more now, those that can't pay still need their medications that we take of for them, some extra costs we didn't have before, and so on.


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    Thanks. And I sympathize with your situation as well. It is all sucks.

    But I gotta part ways with the "they" and "more going on" stuff. For me, it makes zero sense. Like play it all the way out. Who benefits? What is the benefit to "they"? It isn't like there has been a swell of support for one political party over the other. Many entrenched politicians have seen their approval ratings plummet. So there seems to be no coherent gain there; either short or long term. No one is making any money off this. It wasn't like oil prices skyrocketed or something and all these Bilderburg elites cornered the market and made a killing.

    If the argument is that it is all to exert more control over the daily lives of the average person and make us more dependent on the state; there are far more effective ways to do that. For one, you could pick one that doesn't send more people into poverty than anything since the Great Depression. At some point those in control will collapse under the weight of such a high % of people that can't support themselves.

    If the idea is that is an engineered bioweapon, again it makes no sense. It kills to indiscriminately and too ineffectively for that.
    I'll bite on that one. All these crazy ideas that it is a bioweapon attack, or a financial ploy by oligarchs, or some "New World Order" bullshit are just that - crazy bullshit. However, there are a few groups of people who would have an interest in seeing a disaster unfold, because they generally benefit from things like fear, discontent, and misery and use them to their own advantage. And those groups have been pumping the shit out of the story until it forced more and more drastic official action.

    #1 on the list would be activists of various stripes. There are countless politically-motivated factions who would love to see the current administration unseated, and that is much more difficult to do if people are mostly happy and prosperous. Sowing chaos offers a chance to upset that situation, and these activists were the challengers who had little to lose. So if you can throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing by pumping it up into a full-blown crisis, why not do it; it's a Hail Mary that might turn things around for you. This does not mean it was a "planned" or "coordinated" activity, but there were many like-minded people putting in a lot of effort to amplify the fear. Many members of the media, as well as the leaders of social media platforms, are also activists these days - an incredible number, actually - and their abuse of their public voices and platforms had a devastating effect.

    #2 would be the self-important or self-absorbed. People for whom tearing down others, seeing others miserable, and complaining about how awful the world is, adds meaning to their lives. Many members of the media are also in this category, as well as an appalling number of social media users. This might also include people who are normally out of the spotlight, but in light of the unusual circumstances, were gifted the ability to throw their weight around, and liked it. Both of these amplified the fear and panic even more, to devastating effect. But both of these first two groups must be absolutely giddy that they were able to create something that surpassed their wildest expectations. It is like when someone got a hold of a tape of Bin Laden shortly after 9/11, where he said something to the effect of, "Holy shit, I just thought we were going to scare people by putting holes in the buildings or blowing the tops off them - I never imagined it would actually succeed all the way." Same idea.

    #3 on the list of "they" is a group of people who did not really have anything to gain, but were forced to act defensively to protect their own necks from groups #1 and #2. A domino in the chain. That would be things like the NCAA, Disneyland, NBA, and other very large, public entities that would face a tremendous backlash, both in terms of liability and of public shaming, if they didn't shut down. It then follows that the absence of such large, public events creates a new layer of fear. "When was the last time they canceled this? They'd never even THINK of doing that! Holy shit!" So that starts to snowball, and goes on down the chain to everyday things, creating more fear; government officials are forced to react to the fear or face the same backlash; now things like schools and libraries are closed, creating even more fear - "When was the last time they canceled this? They'd never even THINK of doing that! Holy shit!" and so on.

    #4 are the politicians who, once the drumbeat was going and things were in motion, thought they could spin the crisis to their own advantage. "Things are bad, big government to the rescue!" This is, with all due respect, a core plank of the Democratic Party platform. People are miserable, angry, and desperate, and the light at the end of the tunnel is that the government might fix it? Great news for us! So while that may not quite be the reason for the initial shutdowns (that was #3), it is the reason why it is almost all left-leaning governors and mayors who are now trying to milk the crisis as long as possible and show their "strong leadership," and continue to push the fear. I think those people have badly miscalculated, because except for their hardcore supporters, people are increasingly angry at them, not scared of the virus, and that only grows more pronounced the more time passes. Maybe some are realizing that now, but in either case, all they can do is try to change public sentiment by banging their fists on the podium. So they have to dig in and double down on that, because it's their only way out, even if it's not a very likely one (as another member put it: sunk cost).

    Please do not take this as an interpretation of who was justified medically or scientifically and at what point, simply the way that fear dictated the course of action, and who benefited from creating fear and chaos. It is not an organized effort, more like a loosely affiliated coalition of interests who coincidentally benefited from the same goal. And so here we have a crisis where there isn't one.
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    Re: Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    I'll bite on that one. All these crazy ideas that it is a bioweapon attack, or a financial ploy by oligarchs, or some "New World Order" bullshit are just that - crazy bullshit. However, there are a few groups of people who would have an interest in seeing a disaster unfold, because they generally benefit from things like fear, discontent, and misery and use them to their own advantage. And those groups have been pumping the shit out of the story until it forced more and more drastic official action.

    #1 on the list would be activists of various stripes. There are countless politically-motivated factions who would love to see the current administration unseated, and that is much more difficult to do if people are mostly happy and prosperous. Sowing chaos offers a chance to upset that situation, and these activists were the challengers who had little to lose. So if you can throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing by pumping it up into a full-blown crisis, why not do it; it's a Hail Mary that might turn things around for you. This does not mean it was a "planned" or "coordinated" activity, but there were many like-minded people putting in a lot of effort to amplify the fear. Many members of the media, as well as the leaders of social media platforms, are also activists these days - an incredible number, actually - and their abuse of their public voices and platforms had a devastating effect.

    #2 would be the self-important or self-absorbed. People for whom tearing down others, seeing others miserable, and complaining about how awful the world is, adds meaning to their lives. Many members of the media are also in this category, as well as an appalling number of social media users. This might also include people who are normally out of the spotlight, but in light of the unusual circumstances, were gifted the ability to throw their weight around, and liked it. Both of these amplified the fear and panic even more, to devastating effect. But both of these first two groups must be absolutely giddy that they were able to create something that surpassed their wildest expectations. It is like when someone got a hold of a tape of Bin Laden shortly after 9/11, where he said something to the effect of, "Holy shit, I just thought we were going to scare people by putting holes in the buildings or blowing the tops off them - I never imagined it would actually succeed all the way." Same idea.

    #3 on the list of "they" is a group of people who did not really have anything to gain, but were forced to act defensively to protect their own necks from groups #1 and #2. A domino in the chain. That would be things like the NCAA, Disneyland, NBA, and other very large, public entities that would face a tremendous backlash, both in terms of liability and of public shaming, if they didn't shut down. It then follows that the absence of such large, public events creates a new layer of fear. "When was the last time they canceled this? They'd never even THINK of doing that! Holy shit!" So that starts to snowball, and goes on down the chain to everyday things, creating more fear; government officials are forced to react to the fear or face the same backlash; now things like schools and libraries are closed, creating even more fear - "When was the last time they canceled this? They'd never even THINK of doing that! Holy shit!" and so on.

    #4 are the politicians who, once the drumbeat was going and things were in motion, thought they could spin the crisis to their own advantage. "Things are bad, big government to the rescue!" This is, with all due respect, a core plank of the Democratic Party platform. People are miserable, angry, and desperate, and the light at the end of the tunnel is that the government might fix it? Great news for us! So while that may not quite be the reason for the initial shutdowns (that was #3), it is the reason why it is almost all left-leaning governors and mayors who are now trying to milk the crisis as long as possible and show their "strong leadership," and continue to push the fear. I think those people have badly miscalculated, because except for their hardcore supporters, people are increasingly angry at them, not scared of the virus, and that only grows more pronounced the more time passes. Maybe some are realizing that now, but in either case, all they can do is try to change public sentiment by banging their fists on the podium. So they have to dig in and double down on that, because it's their only way out, even if it's not a very likely one (as another member put it: sunk cost).

    Please do not take this as an interpretation of who was justified medically or scientifically and at what point, simply the way that fear dictated the course of action, and who benefited from creating fear and chaos. It is not an organized effort, more like a loosely affiliated coalition of interests who coincidentally benefited from the same goal. And so here we have a crisis where there isn't one.
    Well...since none of that has actually been beneficial to any of the potential parties that you listed...I suggest you step away from the dark recesses of the internet and go talk a walk.

    Like if that was true, we would be hearing whispers of Newsome for President or something. But based on your and others reports - he might be lucky to stay in power in his own state. Members of the media and morons on social media are maybe the only people who can make hay over this. But they make hay over everything all day every day anyways...so that doesn't really move the needle. Everyone keeps telling me how powerful and influential the biased mainstream media is...but yet everyone also claims that they don't listen to and believe the biased main-stream media...so who the fuck is the media manipulating? I truly believe the "scare tactics" and "manipulation" is functioning in the exact opposite manner. People aren't being manipulated by CNN and the NY Times - they are being manipulated by "media" sources telling them they are being manipulated and making them distrustful of everything but some unhinged loon on YouTube.

    As far as I can tell - no one has obtained a tangible benefit from any of this. Voters remain in the same entrenched partisan blocks they were already in. No one has made any money. No social justice agendas have been piggybacked/trojaned horsed into hastily passed laws. Everyone has taken the same delicious bites of the same shit sandwhich. There is really no "they" that had some ulterior motive. Because if there was, they are even worse at this than random chance would say they would be. And if there is a "they" -- we have nothing to fear because all they can cobble together is a clown-car of comical ineptness.

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    I decided to stop editing my previous post and just put an addendum here.

    I think the really interesting thing about all of this is that it has revealed that no one trusts anyone anymore. People don't trust what they see and hear, at all. Why does that matter? Because one of the few consistent data points during this pandemic is that all of the places on the planet that wiggled their way through this and now are "virus free" (a problematic term, I know) and have reopened their economies is that the government and the people trusted one another. The people did what the government asked them to do with very high levels of compliance and little breaking of the quarantines. And in reverse, the government trusted the people and gave them realistic updates, facts, figures, and said when they were blind-ass guessing.

    Basically, our inability to function in a unified manner on anything, ever, has made this all far far worse than it needed to be.

    It is like this, all 3 grocery stores in my town have big giant signs in front of them saying one person per household. When 3 people get out of the same car, wearing matching sweatshirts, matching masks, and use the same grocery cart -- one can only assume they are from the same household. But they have decided that this particular rule/bit of information/whatever does not apply to them and they don't have to follow it. Multiple that out by all the other things that all the other people determine don't apply to them and you can see how this all falls apart quickly. No one trusts anyone so everyone figures it is someone elses problem.

    Just assume (and don't fly off the handle about it) that a 3-6 week lockdown was the absolute right thing to do. Like no questions asked -- it was an airtight case. It would have never worked here anyways because not enough people would trust that it was legit and not enough people would feel any responsibility to follow guidelines.

    The confusion of opinions with facts and preferences for rights in this country means that, in hindsight, nothing was every going to work anyways. So, honestly, what was the point?

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    However, there are a few groups of people who would have an interest in seeing a disaster unfold, because they generally benefit from things like fear, discontent, and misery and use them to their own advantage. And those groups have been pumping the shit out of the story until it forced more and more drastic official action.
    Yeah, it's all their fault.

    We're only a couple of months into this people. Can't you wait 'till we're a year into it before going completely nuts?

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    Basically, our inability to function in a unified manner on anything, ever, has made this all far far worse than it needed to be.
    Correct. If there was ever a time to pull together this is it, but that's all gone now.

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    Well...since none of that has actually been beneficial to any of the potential parties that you listed...I suggest you step away from the dark recesses of the internet and go talk a walk.

    Like if that was true, we would be hearing whispers of Newsome for President or something. But based on your and others reports - he might be lucky to stay in power in his own state. Members of the media and morons on social media are maybe the only people who can make hay over this. But they make hay over everything all day every day anyways...so that doesn't really move the needle. Everyone keeps telling me how powerful and influential the biased mainstream media is...but yet everyone also claims that they don't listen to and believe the biased main-stream media...so who the fuck is the media manipulating? I truly believe the "scare tactics" and "manipulation" is functioning in the exact opposite manner. People aren't being manipulated by CNN and the NY Times - they are being manipulated by "media" sources telling them they are being manipulated and making them distrustful of everything but some unhinged loon on YouTube.

    As far as I can tell - no one has obtained a tangible benefit from any of this. Voters remain in the same entrenched partisan blocks they were already in. No one has made any money. No social justice agendas have been piggybacked/trojaned horsed into hastily passed laws. Everyone has taken the same delicious bites of the same shit sandwhich. There is really no "they" that had some ulterior motive. Because if there was, they are even worse at this than random chance would say they would be. And if there is a "they" -- we have nothing to fear because all they can cobble together is a clown-car of comical ineptness.
    Not quite. Nobody made any money from it, nobody gained any political influence (I think some believed they would, but failed) - BUT a lot of miserable pukes got to feel good in the early days with "I-told-you-so" internet dogpiles. A lot of others did the same with IRL versions of that. Some are still hanging on to it. The media may not "benefit" from it, but individual members of it get to feel important, and best of all, RIGHT. Same with the social media groupthink - we may not be doing anyone any good, but dammit, we're RIGHT.

    Basically, we deliberately fucked up the entire world because a lot of people who were carrying around the dipshit college mentality of "America sucks, humanity sucks" all screamed at the top of their lungs at once.

    Yes, this is certainly a very oversimplified version of everything that happened, but very clearly, the herd was prodded into motion and then ran everything over.

    It is, however something that we should be worried about, because while these people may have been "inept" in that they did not profit from it, the fact that they could do so much damage with what is essentially a temper tantrum is very dangerous to us all.
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    Correct. If there was ever a time to pull together this is it, but that's all gone now.
    Never going to happen. Folks are so worried that if they see some group they feel is different from them get a benefit/boost/shiny toy that it means that some group they feel they belong to will get less or have something taken away.

    Technically, we have been at war for what, like 2 decades now? What sacrifice has been asked of the average person not serving in the military or in a military family been asked to make? I can't recall one. Regardless of the intensity of the conflict, wars still cost countries blood and treasure (bear with me on the overwrought terminology) and historically sacrifices have been made on the home-front in support of the front lines. But we are demanding lower taxes and more conveniences? Where is any sense of shared sacrifice? I get it that this is a bit of the pot calling the kettle -- not like I have done anything.

    There is no sense of common cause or short term sacrifice for long term gain anymore. Everyone just wants someone else to bear the burden and fix the problem for them.

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    I guess you could say that all of those identity politic chickens have come home to roost.


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    Not quite. Nobody made any money from it, nobody gained any political influence (I think some believed they would, but failed) - BUT a lot of miserable pukes got to feel good in the early days with "I-told-you-so" internet dogpiles. A lot of others did the same with IRL versions of that. Some are still hanging on to it. The media may not "benefit" from it, but individual members of it get to feel important, and best of all, RIGHT. Same with the social media groupthink - we may not be doing anyone any good, but dammit, we're RIGHT.

    Basically, we deliberately fucked up the entire world because a lot of people who were carrying around the dipshit college mentality of "America sucks, humanity sucks" all screamed at the top of their lungs at once.

    Yes, this is certainly a very oversimplified version of everything that happened, but very clearly, the herd was prodded into motion and then ran everything over.

    It is, however something that we should be worried about, because while these people may have been "inept" in that they did not profit from it, the fact that they could do so much damage with what is essentially a temper tantrum is very dangerous to us all.
    Sorry, man -- but that is the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. Well aside from Six Rings ideas about Neil O'Donnell. This just reeks of the facile reasoning of the sovereign citizens and other dank corners of the internet. I think that you may be contractually obligated to deliver your response in video form shirtless ranting in your car.

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    I guess you could say that all of those identity politic chickens have come home to roost.
    Well except that the largest groups of folks that are screwing this all up right now, at least where I live, are not members of any "identity group". In fact, where I live, it is the "identity" groups that are doing all the dying and poverty. So I would counter that the fearmongering done on the majority about the minority has been more divisive. But mileage may vary.

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    I guess you could say that all of those identity politic chickens have come home to roost.
    This is a much better and more succinct version of what I was trying to say. We shot ourselves in the foot with BULLSHIT.
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    Never going to happen. Folks are so worried that if they see some group they feel is different from them get a benefit/boost/shiny toy that it means that some group they feel they belong to will get less or have something taken away.

    Technically, we have been at war for what, like 2 decades now? What sacrifice has been asked of the average person not serving in the military or in a military family been asked to make? I can't recall one. Regardless of the intensity of the conflict, wars still cost countries blood and treasure (bear with me on the overwrought terminology) and historically sacrifices have been made on the home-front in support of the front lines. But we are demanding lower taxes and more conveniences? Where is any sense of shared sacrifice? I get it that this is a bit of the pot calling the kettle -- not like I have done anything.

    There is no sense of common cause or short term sacrifice for long term gain anymore. Everyone just wants someone else to bear the burden and fix the problem for them.
    I went through the whole 60s thing. Fought in Vietnam, came home and went to college in Boston surrounded by protests, so on and so forth. I never lost faith in this country once during that whole time. Now? I have very little faith left and fear that we are heading towards total disaster if something doesn't change soon.

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    ................. In fact, where I live, it is the "identity" groups that are doing all the dying .........
    Exactly right.

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