Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

[Hawkman]

Those would be the people who were cajoled into following.

Once the panic reaches a critical mass, that determines what you must do as the head of a large organization, whether it is rational or not. Once the drumbeat is going and everyone else is moving in lockstep, there is more risk to you by being questioned for being the one who is not, than there is by simply going along. All you have shown is that the presidents of Harvard and MIT are also susceptible to the herd mentality, congratulations.

The NBA is the one that is different, because one of their actual players tested positive for the virus. Can't really play games that way. So they were kind of forced to do that for practical reasons.

Just wait and see how this all turns out, it will be over in a month or two and something like 20,000 or 30,000 people in the whole country will have been affected, and you will sort of quietly pretend like you weren't THAT wrong. In the meantime, I have no desire to join in with your bullshit.

YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT BUT SO WHAT?

[steelreserve]

Give it up moron.

It is absolutely painful to argue with someone like you, but the one redeeming fact is that you CONTINUE to come back and look like a fool again and again.

In some ways, that's a public service to others who will say, "Wow, look at this jackass, I certainly don't want to be like THAT." Maybe they'll learn a thing or two from you as a cautionary example.

I really take no joy in continuing to pummel the intellectually challenged, but you simply won't go away.

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YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT BUT SO WHAT?

It's better than being wrong and joining in the panic. At least people who are aware of that can live their lives relatively normally with confidence, although it can be frustrating to see problems and inconveniences spill into your own circle because other people are behaving irrationally.

[AtlantaDan]

Knock it off, you fad.

Autocorrect acting up on you?

it can be frustrating to see problems and inconveniences spill into your own circle because other people are behaving irrationally.

"Irrationally" being defined as when someone does not act in the manner you believe they should?

Given your views on the adverse consequences of not engaging in herd behavior, wouldn't the rational act be to go with the sheeple since not everyone has both your insights and courage to do the right thing?

NFL owners join the herd - they need to get more information from fan message boards

[vasteeler]

Just wash your hands a quit watching the news for crying out loud.

[pczach]

You forgot to mention that Y2K was going to end all advanced civilization!

I know it's not related to a disease, but it does speak to the panic nature of a large percentage of the population.

When you combine that with a political agenda to damage a sitting president, a rabid media willing to scream "FIRE!!!" in a crowded theater, social media, and the overblown nature of all things in our current society....this is what you get.

Common sense isn't as common as it used to be.

I watched the President have a press conference from the CDC, which had the president, the head of the CDC,and the head of the FDA standing side-by-side and answering any and all questions about COVID-19. They discussed everything that you would ever want to know about it. How the country was advised by these people to handle it. The process of developing a vaccine and the timeline of that entire process was also explained in depth by the very people that are actually creating it. Everything anybody could know about the current situation was explained.......yet all I heard was how there isn't enough information out there and that the president needs to address the nation.

That means that either a huge amount of people didn't take the necessary steps to inform themselves..... or the media didn't report it as thoroughly as they should have, and have not given it the coverage they should have for reasons that should make everyone question why that is.

Sometimes I just have to scratch my head.

[Born2Steel]

Will the coming season be different because of COVID-19? Yes. Even if indirectly. Starting with the draft and players meeting with teams it probably already is different in some way. If a player tests positive will that drop him down draft boards? If this continues into TC will players be quarantined for the duration with no public presence? The approach into the draft and preseason is already different and we aren't even dealing with Bell or Brown.

[steelreserve]

Autocorrect acting up on you?

See the post on the last page, with the story from grade school.

"Irrationally" being defined as when someone does not act in the manner you believe they should?

How I believe they should act, or my qualifications (in your eyes) for believing that, has little to do with whether others are acting rationally or not. Either they are or they aren't; it is an absolute.

In any case, if I believed myself to be acting rationally, then what reason would I have to believe the opposite was rational? "Oh yeah, this is what I think, but for some reason I think it while knowing it must be wrong?" I don't understand the point, except that it is another angle on the "mere fan" argument.

If you are simply asking whether I think I am right and they are wrong, then yes, I think that. It does happen.

Given your views on the adverse consequences of not engaging in herd behavior, wouldn't the rational act be to go with the sheeple since not everyone has both your insights and courage to do the right thing?

The large organizations going along with herd mentality is to be expected. It is not productive or beneficial in any way, it is simply a way of covering your ass. It is not a good thing, it is merely the slightly less damaging (to them) option of the two that the herd has forced them toward.

The underlying herd behavior itself is the result of general ignorance on the part of many individuals. It is incredibly destructive and people need to get their heads out of their asses. The self-inflicted consequences of the panic are far worse than the actual issue that they are panicking about. It is one of the stupidest things that I have ever seen in my life.

NFL owners join the herd - they need to get more information from fan message boards

They joined the herd; it doesn't make them smart.

"Mere fan" again. Yawn.

[Born2Steel]

Precautions by their very definition are "pre-cautions". All of the postponements and cancellations are measurements taken to HELP ensure this virus does not mutate and become more than it is. Yes, most of this is "panic" and "scare/shock" news reporting and should be clamped down on, but constitutional amendment and all. All we more rational thinkers can really do is wait this thing out. The toothpaste is out of the tube now.

[steelreserve]

You know, I heard a great coronavirus joke last night. But you probably won't get it.

[AtlantaDan]

"Mere fan" again.

Yep - assuming public officials such as Anthony Fauci with expertise on a subject and officials that presumably have a better idea what is in the best interests of their organizations should be regarded as more credible sources of reliable information than some rando on a sports message board is a sad commentary on the intellectual bankruptcy of our society

[tom444]

NFL owners join the herd - they need to get more information from fan message boards

I can't imagine why a group of 68 year olds, on average, would postpone a meeting in the middle of this uncertainty that effects their age group the most?

The NFL doesn't have as much new blood in its ownership ranks. Only 10 teams were sold to new controlling owners since 2000, compared with 19 in the NBA. NFLownership also skews older. The average age of the controlling owner is about 68, versus 63 in the NBA.

[steelreserve]

Yep - assuming public officials such as Anthony Fauci with expertise on a subject and officials that presumably have a better idea what is in the best interests of their organizations should be regarded as more credible sources of reliable information than some rando on a sports message board is a sad commentary on the intellectual bankruptcy of our society

I mean, do what you want, but it would be pretty depressing not to even trust yourself to do your own thinking.

By the way, it's not trustworthy officials vs. message board rando. It's the herd vs. message board rando. The trustworthy officials got run over by the herd, which changes the balance rather a lot. I'd say the answer is to use your own best judgment, but you already said that's taboo.

[43Hitman]

Just be safe everyone, be smart. The endless bickering is only dividing us, and I guess that's to be expected because people are concerned and they just want the best for everyone. We have to stop bickering and finger pointing though, its completely unproductive and only furthers confusion, which in turn will incite panic.

[AtlantaDan]

I can't imagine why a group of 68 year olds, on average, would postpone a meeting in the middle of this uncertainty that effects their age group the most?

They arguably are exercising their own best judgment, but that just makes them irrational victims of being run over by the herd if they failed to check first to obtain the greater wisdom available on fan message boards

[tom444]

Just be safe everyone, be smart.

Yes, be safe, and play it safe and stay close with your family and friends either in real time or over the net or phone.

[Hawkman]

Jesus goddamn Christ, people. Everyone get some brains and calm the fuck down.

Just read that a couple of times. The redundancy is overwhelming.

[Shoes]

This is one of the most irresponsible media driven panics in some time. Wash your hands.

It reminds me of when satanic cults were supposed to be carving a bloody swathe through small towns.

Agree 100%, It's a stinking crime imo!

[Craic]

I can't hang with you on this part, though. The quality of the health care system is irrelevant when it's overwhelmed.

All I can do is be honest with the stats I provided and that was part of the stats. Countries with better healthcare see higher survival rates. And, it makes sense, even if it is overwhelmed because better healthcare most likely leads to healthier citizens (or at least fewer citizens that have the health troubles that will act like a multiplier for COVID-19 symptoms.

[teegre]

There is a certain type of person...

So, you’re saying that the Grand Ole BBQ does indeed suck.

[JnK]

I really just want some toilet paper at this point. This overblown hysteria has cleared all store shelves of it.

[steelreserve]

I really just want some toilet paper at this point. This overblown hysteria has cleared all store shelves of it.

I fully expect they will find millions of people who starved to death surrounded by piles of toilet paper, because no one's hoarding food.

[Mach1]

So, you’re saying that the Grand Ole BBQ does indeed suck.

So your one of the lucky ones that didn't have Tom Hanks and wife stop in for a bite to eat and infect everyone.

https://kool965.com/actor-tom-hanks-...in-falls-deli/

Talk about people panicking.

[steelreserve]

So, you’re saying that the Grand Ole BBQ does indeed suck.

I've never been there, so it probably sucks nuts.

[JnK]

I fully expect they will find millions of people who starved to death surrounded by piles of toilet paper, because no one's hoarding food.

Pretty soon all of the fast food restaurant napkins are going to disappear. I don't understand all of the panic buying of toilet paper. Is it just because all of this corona virus media coverage is giving everyone the shits? There's 6 rolls on ebay for $50 right now and it's not even Charmin Extra Soft. This is really getting nuts.

[tube517]

Pretty soon all of the fast food restaurant napkins are going to disappear. I don't understand all of the panic buying of toilet paper. Is it just because all of this corona virus media coverage is giving everyone the shits? There's 6 rolls on ebay for $50 right now and it's not even Charmin Extra Soft. This is really getting nuts.

Social media bullshit and overhype.

I just got 2 packs of 12 at Big Lots at $5 each. Maybe I should trade it for a Minkah Fitzpatrick jersey.

[AtlantaDan]

Social media bullshit and overhype.

I just got 2 packs of 12 at Big Lots at $5 each. Maybe I should trade it for a Minkah Fitzpatrick jersey.

Steelers announce trade of Minkah Fitzpatrick to Costco for 2400 rolls of Charmin and 200 cases of hand sanitizer

In announcing the trade, Kevin Colbert (speaking via video link from an offsite location) said this trade should provide necessary depth in personal sanitation supplies for both coaches and players

The Steelers thanked Minkah for his service, stating with his leadership as well as physical skills Minkah will do an excellent job of greeting Costco customers along with checking membership cards while restraining those who try to jump the entrance line during these stressful times

[Mojouw]

The testing shortage is catastrophic: It means that no one knows how bad the outbreak already is, and that we couldn’t take effectively aggressive measures even we wanted to. There are so few tests available, or so little capacity to run them, that they are being rationed for only the most obvious candidates, which practically defeats the purpose. It is not those who are very sick or who have traveled to existing hot spots abroad who are most critical to identify, but those less obvious, gray-area cases — people who may be carrying the disease around without much reason to expect they’re infecting others. Into this vacuum has stepped the Gates Foundation and Amazon, which are trying to deliver large-scale testing capacity at least within Seattle. But in what awful, dysfunctional universe do we live that it has fallen to private companies and philanthropies to deliver necessary medical support in a time of American pandemic? There is probably no stronger argument for public health care than the crisis we are living through today, and no more grotesque indictment of our present system that leading providers and insurers had to be cajoled into waiving fees and co-pays to even deliver tests. Nevertheless, there is a pathetically inadequate testing capacity, such that even patients with obviously concerning symptoms are being turned away. Even those who are getting tested have to wait at least several days for results; in Senegal, where the per capita income is less than $3,000, they are getting results in four hours. Yesterday, apparently, the CDC conducted zero tests.

From: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...is-broken.html

When Senegal is more prepared than the US -- someone done screwed up. Don't really care about your political affiliation or philosophy.

[pczach]

Steelers announce trade of Minkah Fitzpatrick to Costco for 2400 rolls of Charmin and 200 cases of hand sanitizer

In announcing the trade, Kevin Colbert (speaking via video link from an offsite location) said this trade should provide necessary depth in personal sanitation supplies for both coaches and players

The Steelers thanked Minkah for his service, stating with his leadership as well as physical skills Minkah will do an excellent job of greeting Costco customers along with checking membership cards while restraining those who try to jump the entrance line during these stressful times

No shit?

[43Hitman]

The testing shortage is catastrophic: It means that no one knows how bad the outbreak already is, and that we couldn’t take effectively aggressive measures even we wanted to. There are so few tests available, or so little capacity to run them, that they are being rationed for only the most obvious candidates, which practically defeats the purpose. It is not those who are very sick or who have traveled to existing hot spots abroad who are most critical to identify, but those less obvious, gray-area cases — people who may be carrying the disease around without much reason to expect they’re infecting others. Into this vacuum has stepped the Gates Foundation and Amazon, which are trying to deliver large-scale testing capacity at least within Seattle. But in what awful, dysfunctional universe do we live that it has fallen to private companies and philanthropies to deliver necessary medical support in a time of American pandemic? There is probably no stronger argument for public health care than the crisis we are living through today, and no more grotesque indictment of our present system that leading providers and insurers had to be cajoled into waiving fees and co-pays to even deliver tests. Nevertheless, there is a pathetically inadequate testing capacity, such that even patients with obviously concerning symptoms are being turned away. Even those who are getting tested have to wait at least several days for results; in Senegal, where the per capita income is less than $3,000, they are getting results in four hours. Yesterday, apparently, the CDC conducted zero tests.

From: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...is-broken.html

When Senegal is more prepared than the US -- someone done screwed up. Don't really care about your political affiliation or philosophy.

AMEN to all of that.

[Mojouw]

AMEN to all of that.

Yeah. I originally wasn't at all concerned about any of this. Was totally unaware of how wholly unprepared, unequipped, and uninterested the federal government has seemed in proactively responding to this. I don't want to get this turned all the around into some sort of political yelling match...but I will say this....know who is able to send experts, equipment, and doctors to Italy when they appealed to the international community for assistance? Not the US. But China. China. Remember when that was what made the US great? Whenever there was a crisis, everyone, everywhere knew the US could be counted on to lead the way?