Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

[steelreserve]

Meanwhile, just watch:

"Bu- bu- but you can't do that! Elections are in the Constitution! You can't just suspend our Constitutional rights because of a virus, it's fascism!"

"I mean yeah, we've been suspending your rights and ignoring the Constitution left and right for months now - but that's not important! Who cares about that, ignore it! This is different because I said it's fascism! Fascism, I tell you - fascism!"

[86WARD]

Two people on the Phillies staff test positive. No players yet. Citizen Bank Park shut down until further notice.

[Mojouw]

Meanwhile, just watch:

"Bu- bu- but you can't do that! Elections are in the Constitution! You can't just suspend our Constitutional rights because of a virus, it's fascism!"

"I mean yeah, we've been suspending your rights and ignoring the Constitution left and right for months now - but that's not important! Who cares about that, ignore it! This is different because I said it's fascism! Fascism, I tell you - fascism!"

Hmmmmm. Absentee voting is different than mail in voting how? Trump votes by mail. There is zero evidence to support that either absentee voting or mail in voting introduces fraud or irregularities. In fact, almost every time it has been studied; the results indicate that MORE Republicans vote via that method than Democrats -- contradicting the long held notion that only the radical left benefits from early/absentee/mail in vote.

Also, the logic here is kinda ridiculous. It is safe to go back to work. It is safe to send your kids to schools. It is safe to get on a plane. It is safe to go spend money. But it isn't safe to vote? This is the same trick they tried to pull here in Wisco a few months back. Prior to dinking around with polling regulations, the GOP candidate was predicted to win. After shenanigans, the GOP candidate lost. The GOP has become so focused on slights, biases, and how unfair the world is to them that they are jumping at shadows and attempting to correct injustices that they made up -- only to get hoisted on their own petard and lose elections as a result.

[Mach1]

Meanwhile, just watch:

"Bu- bu- but you can't do that! Elections are in the Constitution! You can't just suspend our Constitutional rights because of a virus, it's fascism!"

"I mean yeah, we've been suspending your rights and ignoring the Constitution left and right for months now - but that's not important! Who cares about that, ignore it! This is different because I said it's fascism! Fascism, I tell you - fascism!"

People don't have a problem standing 6 feet apart at walmart they should be able to do that at the voting stations.

[Mojouw]

People don't have a problem standing 6 feet apart at walmart they should be able to do that at the voting stations.

I think what he meant to say is that despite the fact that the administration has been doing a beautiful wonderful job with the virus and the economy is the best ever; people keep telling him that all the polls say he is going to lose. So....now maybe lets not do that?

[steelreserve]

Hmmmmm. Absentee voting is different than mail in voting how? Trump votes by mail. There is zero evidence to support that either absentee voting or mail in voting introduces fraud or irregularities. In fact, almost every time it has been studied; the results indicate that MORE Republicans vote via that method than Democrats -- contradicting the long held notion that only the radical left benefits from early/absentee/mail in vote.

Absentee voting is different from mail-in voting because one involves an actual person requesting a ballot. This is fine. Mail-in voting is the state sending a mass mailing to every address on their voter list. As anyone who deals with that type of thing will tell you, the accuracy of mass mailing lists (physical or email) deteriorates 10-20% per year, and millions of registrations are years old.

The bigger problem issue is that it makes outright cheating very easy. "Voter fraud," as in people casting ballots illegally, is a relatively small problem that should affect results at random. Electoral fraud, as in corrupt officials manipulating results, is much more real. What the Democrats have been keen to do here in California is to wait for the results to come in, and then make up the difference with "late" ballots using the names of people who didn't vote. Political parties are allowed to turn in ballots that they "collected" from people here, if you can believe that.

Since the Democratic Party has announced its "ends justify the means" mentality very clearly and publicly - no, I am not going to give them the benefit of the doubt. They will absolutely do it if they think they can get away with it. Sorry, but that is who you have aligned yourself with.

Also, the logic here is kinda ridiculous. It is safe to go back to work. It is safe to send your kids to schools. It is safe to get on a plane. It is safe to go spend money. But it isn't safe to vote? This is the same trick they tried to pull here in Wisco a few months back. Prior to dinking around with polling regulations, the GOP candidate was predicted to win. After shenanigans, the GOP candidate lost. The GOP has become so focused on slights, biases, and how unfair the world is to them that they are jumping at shadows and attempting to correct injustices that they made up -- only to get hoisted on their own petard and lose elections as a result.

You're right, the logic is very ridiculous. It is safe to go back to work, get on a plane, and spend money. So mandatory mail-in voting is just as ridiculous as continuing lockdowns.

More to the point, I am 100% certain that tweet was meant to point out the hypocrisy of people who say "It is ok to violate our rights in this way, but not that way, because now I don't like the outcome." Get a taste of your own medicine and don't like it one fucking bit, do you?

[tom444]

which female member are you in disguise?

You, sweetie.

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"Bu- bu- but you can't do that! Elections are in the Constitution! You can't just suspend our Constitutional rights because of a virus, it's fascism!"

"I mean yeah, we've been suspending your rights and ignoring the Constitution left and right for months now - but that's not important! Who cares about that, ignore it! This is different because I said it's fascism! Fascism, I tell you - fascism!"

What a load.

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More to the point, I am 100% certain that tweet was meant to point out the hypocrisy of people who say "It is ok to violate our rights in this way, but not that way, because now I don't like the outcome." Get a taste of your own medicine and don't like it one fucking bit, do you?

I'm 100% certain that tweet was meant to point out Trumps fear that the more people who vote the better chance Biden has.

[Mojouw]

Absentee voting is different from mail-in voting because one involves an actual person requesting a ballot. This is fine. Mail-in voting is the state sending a mass mailing to every address on their voter list. As anyone who deals with that type of thing will tell you, the accuracy of mass mailing lists (physical or email) deteriorates 10-20% per year, and millions of registrations are years old.

The bigger problem issue is that it makes outright cheating very easy. "Voter fraud," as in people casting ballots illegally, is a relatively small problem that should affect results at random. Electoral fraud, as in corrupt officials manipulating results, is much more real. What the Democrats have been keen to do here in California is to wait for the results to come in, and then make up the difference with "late" ballots using the names of people who didn't vote. Political parties are allowed to turn in ballots that they "collected" from people here, if you can believe that.

Since the Democratic Party has announced its "ends justify the means" mentality very clearly and publicly - no, I am not going to give them the benefit of the doubt. They will absolutely do it if they think they can get away with it. Sorry, but that is who you have aligned yourself with.





You're right, the logic is very ridiculous. It is safe to go back to work, get on a plane, and spend money. So mandatory mail-in voting is just as ridiculous as continuing lockdowns.

More to the point, I am 100% certain that tweet was meant to point out the hypocrisy of people who say "It is ok to violate our rights in this way, but not that way, because now I don't like the outcome." Get a taste of your own medicine and don't like it one fucking bit, do you?

I don't live in Cali but I did find these two things:

https://calmatters.org/explainers/ca...ovember-2020/:
“On a scale of one to 100, it’s a five, as opposed to a one,” said Justin Levitt, a constitutional law professor at Loyola Marymount University. “It’s slightly more problematic in that there is slightly more room for potential abuse. But that should not be confused with ‘it’s problematic.’

Take the example of Angel Perales, the city manager of Cudahy in Los Angeles County who pleaded guilty to filtering out incoming absentee ballots that favored non-incumbents during the city’s 2007 municipal election. In the conservative Heritage Foundation’s “Election Fraud” database, it is the only documented instance of California absentee vote fraud in four decades."

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=CA -- with all the details. Again, no cases on file that appear to list what you are saying.

I'm not saying that it hasn't happened -- I would just like to know more. I have read numerous studies of recent elections that claim mail in voting and remote voting are safe and fair. It seems hard to believe there aren't more of a record of the large-scale fraud if it is taking place.

The issue of people who shouldn't be on the rolls "voting" is as old as time. I mean they used to just herd drunks around the city and have them vote 3+ times and then get them drunk as a reward.

Also, Trump's tweet was not carefully constructed 4-D chess to point out layered hypocrisy. It is the rantings of a man who likely got told in a meeting this morning that his poll #'s suck.

[steelcityboyz]

It is the rantings of a man who likely got told in a meeting this morning that his poll #'s suck.

And his poll #s sucked in 2016. Your point??

[Mojouw]

And his poll #s sucked in 2016. Your point??

Nothing deep and profound. But dude tends to Tweet something in response to whatever the last thing someone told him was. He likely heard something about poll numbers and started thinking about elections. Then there was a shiny object and he got distracted.

[T&B fan]

Nothing deep and profound. But dude tends to Tweet something in response to whatever the last thing someone told him was. He likely heard something about poll numbers and started thinking about elections. Then there was a shiny object and he got distracted.

hahaha . maybe bring in the big trucks . he likes big trucks , just like a 7 yr old

[Mach1]

[86WARD]

Bills send rookies home after 5 test positive.

[Mach1]

Football is going to be a no go more than likely.

[Mojouw]

Bills send rookies home after 5 test positive.

Football is going to be a no go more than likely.

These guys haven't even started hitting each other and really working out together yet. Just no way this works unless the players accept a much higher risk factor than they are currently indicating.

[steelreserve]

Football is going to be a no go more than likely.

As long as it is not the individuals who are actually putting themselves on the line who are making the choices, but others are making the choices for them based on their own fears, then there will be no football. There will be no anything, as long as that is the way we keep doing it.

For some reason, it has been decided that the most fearful and the concern trolls should be in the driver's seat for this one. Hopefully it's a really great lesson in why that should not happen for a generation or six.

Like, I know the Bible said the meek shall inherit the Earth, but I don't think this is what it meant. It didn't say anything about the dumbfucks.

[43Hitman]

Nope every study says it doesn't exist right...Hmmmm okay George.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-1...nted-election/

Mail-in voting, for many, is as simple as sending a letter, but rules vary across the country for when a voter can get their ballot and when it should be returned. In 2016, more than 73,000 out of 33 million mail-in ballots arrived too late to be counted.
Many Americans are expected to vote by mail for the first time in November 2020 because of coronavirus concerns, so "CBS This Morning" sent out 100 mock ballots, simulating 100 voters in locations across Philadelphia, in an experiment to see how long one should give themselves to make sure their vote counts.
"We're gonna see somewhere between probably 80 and 100 million voters receiving their ballot that way," former Arizona election official Tammy Patrick told "CBS This Morning" co-host Tony Dokoupil. Patrick is now a senior adviser for the elections program at Democracy Fund.....

Out of the initial batch mailed a week earlier, 97 out of 100 votes had arrived. Three simulated persons, or 3% of voters, were effectively disenfranchised by mail by giving their ballots a week to arrive. In a close election, 3% could be pivotal. Four days after mailing the second batch of mock ballots, 21% of the votes hadn't arrived. ...

"So states like Ohio, you can request your ballot on Saturday up until noon for Tuesday's election," Patrick explained. "And that is the worst possible thing… you are setting up the voters with false expectations, and you're setting them up to fail."......

"I can guarantee that I'm gonna get you your ballot, and if I get it back in time, it's gonna be counted," she said. "But I have no way of guaranteeing what happens in the postal service."



Yeah, sounds like a real efficient process to me.

[silver & black]

Like, I know the Bible said the meek shall inherit the Earth, but I don't think this is what it meant. It didn't say anything about the dumbfucks.

Yea.... I hear ya....lol.

[Mojouw]

Nope every study says it doesn't exist right...Hmmmm okay George.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-1...nted-election/

Mail-in voting, for many, is as simple as sending a letter, but rules vary across the country for when a voter can get their ballot and when it should be returned. In 2016, more than 73,000 out of 33 million mail-in ballots arrived too late to be counted.
Many Americans are expected to vote by mail for the first time in November 2020 because of coronavirus concerns, so "CBS This Morning" sent out 100 mock ballots, simulating 100 voters in locations across Philadelphia, in an experiment to see how long one should give themselves to make sure their vote counts.
"We're gonna see somewhere between probably 80 and 100 million voters receiving their ballot that way," former Arizona election official Tammy Patrick told "CBS This Morning" co-host Tony Dokoupil. Patrick is now a senior adviser for the elections program at Democracy Fund.....

Out of the initial batch mailed a week earlier, 97 out of 100 votes had arrived. Three simulated persons, or 3% of voters, were effectively disenfranchised by mail by giving their ballots a week to arrive. In a close election, 3% could be pivotal. Four days after mailing the second batch of mock ballots, 21% of the votes hadn't arrived. ...

"So states like Ohio, you can request your ballot on Saturday up until noon for Tuesday's election," Patrick explained. "And that is the worst possible thing… you are setting up the voters with false expectations, and you're setting them up to fail."......

"I can guarantee that I'm gonna get you your ballot, and if I get it back in time, it's gonna be counted," she said. "But I have no way of guaranteeing what happens in the postal service."



Yeah, sounds like a real efficient process to me.

That still isn't fraud. I don't think anyone thinks that the USPS and the various mostly volunteer election services across the country are going to make this work flawless or efficiently. There will likely be some clusterfucks. There already are with how we do it now. None of the states are prepared for this nor can they afford it.

But, it does not fundamentally mean, at least from what I have read, that the election will be more open to manipulation, tampering, and fraud.

Your post raises a really interesting point and discussion. We hold voting and elections as one of the most sacrosanct principles of our nation and culture. Yet, we spend very little to make sure the process is efficient, secure, effective, and consistent. One recent study concluded that we spend less than $8.50/voter. Others put the number around $10. I've always found it surprising that we just don't run every election day at all levels in all places basically the same way. Instead, we do a bunch of different things and no one really knows how it works. Just seems odd as hell.

[steelreserve]

All you need to do is Google "Democrat charged with election fraud," and immediately you will find multiple recent cases involving local officials stuffing ballot boxes.

In California, it is not even the election officials that have to commit the fraud, it is party officials. They can just turn in a box of ballots that they say they collected from people, and there is no way of checking anything.

Regardless of what past history says about how often this is a problem, there is no doubt - none - that it should be a huge concern this year. The Democrats have screamed at the top of their lungs that they will stoop to anything, as long as they win. Just look at what they are doing now. You really think you should just trust them on their word and a handshake? Whether or not fraud has been carried out widely in the past, the left has gotten so much crazier it's off the charts. There are many officials who outspokenly hate Trump, and would probably cheat if they could get away with it, and feel perfectly justified because anything is ok to stop him. I wouldn't trust a single one of them.

There is only one word to describe what has been done by the left to this country, and to its people, over the past several months: PURE EVIL. It is all right out in the open now. How anyone could be in favor of that is beyond belief; you would need to be completely out of your mind. I sure as fuck am not going to trust those same people to say how it should be done, or to do things fairly. FUCK THAT.

[Mach1]

Only 19% were fraudulent. Imagine that on a nation wide basis.

1 in 5 Ballots Rejected as Fraud Is Charged in N.J. Mail-In Election

Following accusations of widespread fraud, voter intimidation, and ballot theft in the May 12 municipal elections in Paterson, N.J., state Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal (pictured) announced Thursday he is charging four men with voter fraud – including the vice president of the City Council and a candidate for that body.

With races still undecided, control of the council hangs in the balance. Paterson is New Jersey’s third largest city and the election will decide the fate of a municipal budget in excess of $300 million, in addition to hundreds of millions more in education spending and state aid.

In the City Council election, 16,747 vote-by-mail ballots were received, but only 13,557 votes were counted. More than 3,190 votes, 19% of the total ballots cast, were disqualified by the board of elections. Due to the pandemic, Paterson’s election was done through vote-by-mail. Community organizations, such as the city’s NAACP chapter, are calling for the entire election to be invalidated.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...on_143551.html

[tom444]

Vote early and often.

VotesPA > Voting in PA > Mail-in and Absentee BallotBegin Main Content Area




Voting by Mail-in or Absentee Ballot

Mail-in and absentee ballot applications for the November 3, 2020, general election must be received by your county election office by 5 p.m. on Tuesday, October 27, 2020.

https://www.votespa.com/Voting-in-PA...ee-Ballot.aspx

[Mojouw]

Only 19% were fraudulent. Imagine that on a nation wide basis.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...on_143551.html

Did some more reading tonight. Looks like it’s a patchwork quilt of good and bad in each state and each party/agency.

It’s gonna end up in the courts. Where, for a variety of reasons, the GOP should win going away.

[Mojouw]

Sounds like this isn’t gonna work. At all. Tons of finger pointing and no solutions. Whooppeee.


https://apple.news/ABcdDgX_FTQ2leGPYr94gCw


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[Mach1]

Sounds like this isn’t gonna work. At all. Tons of finger pointing and no solutions. Whooppeee.


https://apple.news/ABcdDgX_FTQ2leGPYr94gCw


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There's a ton of reasons it's a very bad idea.

[86WARD]

All you need to do is Google "Democrat charged with election fraud," and immediately you will find multiple recent cases involving local officials stuffing ballot boxes.

In California, it is not even the election officials that have to commit the fraud, it is party officials. They can just turn in a box of ballots that they say they collected from people, and there is no way of checking anything.

Regardless of what past history says about how often this is a problem, there is no doubt - none - that it should be a huge concern this year. The Democrats have screamed at the top of their lungs that they will stoop to anything, as long as they win. Just look at what they are doing now. You really think you should just trust them on their word and a handshake? Whether or not fraud has been carried out widely in the past, the left has gotten so much crazier it's off the charts. There are many officials who outspokenly hate Trump, and would probably cheat if they could get away with it, and feel perfectly justified because anything is ok to stop him. I wouldn't trust a single one of them.

There is only one word to describe what has been done by the left to this country, and to its people, over the past several months: PURE EVIL. It is all right out in the open now. How anyone could be in favor of that is beyond belief; you would need to be completely out of your mind. I sure as fuck am not going to trust those same people to say how it should be done, or to do things fairly. FUCK THAT.

Why are you posting this in this thread?

[cold-hard-steel]

It's ok for "essential" workers at all your local grocery stores and other businesses to go to work and come into contact with 1000's of the public every day,No problem with all the healthcare workers who go to work every day and come into contact with thousands of people. No problem for thousands of "working Rioters" who are encouraged to riot across the country every day and night. But Pussy ass teachers refuse to indoctrinate,and its to dangerous for in person voting.Sounds fair to me.

Trump made one wrong move in the voting game,but he is far from being mated.He should have pushed for mail in voting from the start and said it was essential for this election. Then the Devilcrats would have automatically made the move he wanted by vehemently opposing the move.I believe the move can still be made.It might be the perfect move and even raise some eyebrows.I love chess.

[cold-hard-steel]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/louisiana...041025108.html

Anybody get their seeds yet ? They yield hundreds of mail-in ballots.

[FrancoLambert]

Meanwhile, just watch:

"Bu- bu- but you can't do that! Elections are in the Constitution! You can't just suspend our Constitutional rights because of a virus, it's fascism!"

"I mean yeah, we've been suspending your rights and ignoring the Constitution left and right for months now - but that's not important! Who cares about that, ignore it! This is different because I said it's fascism! Fascism, I tell you - fascism!"

Another gem from the master of hyperbole.

[Devilsdancefloor]

FYI this is a derailed train take it to the dumcratic party thread please, thanks!