Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

[Mojouw]

True, but I think a few months ago the hope was that the spread of the virus would be mitigated and there would not be so much of it prevalent, so playing games would not carry as much risk of infection.

Can watch all the Australian Rules Football, English Premier League Soccer, Spanish Premier league or MLS Soccer we want, but I think the notion of 53 man rosters travelling from city to city to play other teams in the NFL is less likely to happen each day that there are 50,000 new cases a day in the US.

Yup. And since we have no unified response, but a different response at a Federal, state, and county level -- that is going to create a labyrinth of problems for the logistics of all this. What might be "open" in State A might not be possible in State B. In some states (the few that have multiple teams) what is possible in City X might not be possible in City Y.

I get why the NFL waited to make anything official and commit to specifics. But, from what I can tell, they waited until NOW to start seriously considering and planning for a 2020 season under pandemic conditions. Something, again to my limited knowledge, ZERO other professional sports leagues did. It is not really surprising, as the NFL continually demonstrates a pattern of letting the tail wag the dog and being woefully unprepared for fairly obvious contingencies.

[tom444]

True, but I think a few months ago the hope was that the spread of the virus would be mitigated and there would not be so much of it prevalent, so playing games would not carry as much risk of infection.

Can watch all the Australian Rules Football, English Premier League Soccer, Spanish Premier league or MLS Soccer we want, but I think the notion of 53 man rosters travelling from city to city to play other teams in the NFL is less likely to happen each day that there are 50,000 new cases a day in the US.

I would say the chances of NFL football this year are slim to none and Slim's in Texas.

Don't forget rugby.

[EzraTank]

Will Brady ever play another down? He'll be 43 this August and if the year is scrubbed 44 by the following year. I get he eats a weird diet but nothing beats father time.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I would say the chances of NFL football this year are slim to none and Slim's in Texas.

Don't forget rugby.

I didnt know Rugby was back. Thanks.

Also, looks like the NHL and players have an agreement, with play to resume and the Stanley Cup finals to be in September-October.

Proposed NHL playoffs schedule suggests fans will be able to watch 15 hours of hockey a day

https://russianmachineneverbreaks.co...5-hours-a-day/

[tom444]

I didnt know Rugby was back.

I watched a couple of matches yesterday, but they were probably last years.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I get why the NFL waited to make anything official and commit to specifics. But, from what I can tell, they waited until NOW to start seriously considering and planning for a 2020 season under pandemic conditions. Something, again to my limited knowledge, ZERO other professional sports leagues did.

OK, for a minute, lets imagine that the US was like Austraila in COVID19 success. They have approx 200 new cases a day and the US population is 14x larger. So if there were only 2800 new COVID cases a day in the US at this point, the NFL would be on track to start playing just like the Australian Football League is currently playing.

Same with Canada experiencing 200-300 cases a day and its 1/10 the population of the US. That is why the NHL is going to finish their season playing in Canada. Soccer in Europe, Rugby, etc.

For a league like the NFL, where they start playing in September normally, I think there was belief that COVID would get under control like it had in other parts of the world where it would be manageable for a fall season.

[Mojouw]

https://www.rotoworld.com/football/n.../roger-goodell

"The NFL has banned jersey swapping as part of its COVID-19 protocol for the 2020 season.
Great. Now what about solving some of the actual problems staring the league right in the face? What happens when a player tests positive? What happens if a city bans gatherings of a certain size and does not exempt the NFL? What happens in the event of a full-scale breakout in a locker room? What happens when a player wants to opt out of the season? The NFL is having a ball solving the pandemic's micro problems but is running out of time to get serious about the big issues."

Good to see the NFL is TOTALLY on top of this.

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OK, for a minute, lets imagine that the US was like Austraila in COVID19 success. They have approx 200 new cases a day and the US population is 14x larger. So if there were only 2800 new COVID cases a day in the US at this point, the NFL would be on track to start playing just like the Australian Football League is currently playing.

Same with Canada experiencing 200-300 cases a day and its 1/10 the population of the US. That is why the NHL is going to finish their season playing in Canada. Soccer in Europe, Rugby, etc.

For a league like the NFL, where they start playing in September normally, I think there was belief that COVID would get under control like it had in other parts of the world where it would be manageable for a fall season.

I honestly, get all that. But every other league I have read about (and one was a third division semi-pro soccer team in my area) didn't wait until right now to think through all this. They had a series of plans for a variety of fairly predictable scenarios. It appears that the NFL had one plan - play as normal because the virus isn't a big issue by August. For an organization as large and complex as the NFL and with as many resources as they have -- that is just jaw-droppingly naive and kinda useless.

[tom444]

https://www.rotoworld.com/football/n.../roger-goodell

"The NFL has banned jersey swapping as part of its COVID-19 protocol for the 2020 season.

Oh that's funny.

[FrancoLambert]

Cool story...but the death rate is less than 1%. Its just like the flu.

“DUDE”...finally the truth is revealed.
Someone who regularly posts utter nonsense on this topic agrees.
“It’s all a hoax, all a conspiracy, the experts don’t know what they’re talking about.”
”They reverse their recommendations constantly.”
”It’s nothing but a plot to sabotage Trump’s re-election.”

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

“DUDE”...finally the truth is revealed.
Someone who regularly posts utter nonsense on this topic agrees.
“It’s all a hoax, all a conspiracy, the experts don’t know what they’re talking about.”
”They reverse their recommendations constantly.”
”It’s nothing but a plot to sabotage Trump’s re-election.”

I love the "DUDE" label. Thanks.

[86WARD]

I watched a couple of matches yesterday, but they were probably last years.

I’ve watched it in the morning and it’s been new matches. Fans in the stands = old. Cut outs being social distanced in the stands = new. It’s a fun sport to watch once you know the rules. My nephews both played and my kids are (or were supposed to be) in their second season of flag rugby.

[tom444]

I’ve watched it in the morning and it’s been new matches. Fans in the stands = old. Cut outs being social distanced in the stands = new. It’s a fun sport to watch once you know the rules. My nephews both played and my kids are (or were supposed to be) in their second season of flag rugby.

I need some work in that department.

[fansince'76]

“DUDE”...finally the truth is revealed.
Someone who regularly posts utter nonsense on this topic agrees.

I love the "DUDE" label. Thanks.

Does the "DUDE" abide, though?



Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Does the "DUDE" abide, though?



Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

Awesome! For all those with a Bennie #7 inferiority complex, that like to hate on Rodgers. The guy knows how to wear a cool sweater.

[Mojouw]

Interesting website with a ton of research on COVID and the Economy and Whatnot: https://www.nber.org/wp_covid19_rco_07062020.html

Interesting that in-person voting is a source of increase: https://www.nber.org/papers/w27187?sy=187 but protesting is not: https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408 (can't wait for the foaming at the mouth this drives...)

It appears that individual choice was the largest driver of economic drop-off rather than government measures: https://www.nber.org/papers/w27432

Impacts of economic policies and individual choice on the COVID economy: https://www.nber.org/papers/w27431

Take a look....it is in a book...

[DesertSteel]

If a season starts... big if... it’s unlikely to finish.

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I’m acclimating to life without sports. Except for the 3 times a week I lift and the 3 times a week I play golf.

[tom444]

Except for the 3 times a week I lift

DesertSteel after a workout.



Just a little humor, no need to go off the deep end.

[Mojouw]

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/7...mp-coronavirus

"Sports are supposed to be one reward of a well-functioning society. The league’s timeline asks that sports function better than society. That’s looking like a steeper challenge by the minute."

[EzraTank]

[Mojouw]

Ladies and gentlemen...case in point why we won't be watching any sports in calendar year 2020, your kids will be home-schooled via zoom by Halloween, and your job will be furloughed.

But at least you won't be fooled by the liberal elites and their expert lackeys into giving up your fundamental rights.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Ladies and gentlemen...case in point why we won't be watching any sports in calendar year 2020, your kids will be home-schooled via zoom by Halloween, and your job will be furloughed.

But at least you won't be fooled by the liberal elites and their expert lackeys into giving up your fundamental rights.

Now you get it. No use giving up any fundamental rights to get as close to people as you want without a mask and goto bars, beaches, etc. What would that accomplish? Look at what happens when you do that like those Socialists in Canada. I dont thank so!

June 25, 2020 by Talent Canada

With the initial challenges of COVID-19 closures mostly behind Canadian employers, the focus has now turned to reopening. As of mid-June, Canadian provinces and territories are in various stages of returning to work.

Following three months of intense efforts to mitigate the effects of the pandemic, Canada is slowly and surely returning to work.
On May 27, together with sister publication OHS Canada, Talent Canada hosted the Back to Work virtual summit in an effort to share best practices and policies for employers looking to reopen. Close to 500 business leaders attended. https://www.canadianmanufacturing.co...eturn-to-work/

[steelreserve]

Ladies and gentlemen...case in point why we won't be watching any sports in calendar year 2020, your kids will be home-schooled via zoom by Halloween, and your job will be furloughed.

But at least you won't be fooled by the liberal elites and their expert lackeys into giving up your fundamental rights.

All of those things are included in the fundamental rights that we should not be giving up.

The government is not allowed to tell anyone whether or not they can to go to work, where they are permitted to shop, what they are permitted to buy, where they can go, who they can associate with, whether they are allowed to go on vacation or not. If anyone thinks that any of that is even remotely ok ... well basically, fuck you.

If I wanted to buy a silly hat that served no purpose at all, and the government told me no, you're not allowed - that by itself is a gross abuse of power, and the entire point of the country was that the government is not allowed to have that category of power. I have no duty to wait until you deem it is safe. If you think Canada and Europe are doing everything so much better and we're all so dumb - feel free to fuck off and go to Canada, I don't want people like you here ruining everything with stupid shit like this.

The reason why we will not be watching sports in 2020, why the schools will be closed in the fall, and why you will be furloughed from your job, is for one reason: Because the goal is to drag the idiot lockdown out as long as possible. The left has completely gone off the deep end. They actually think that people can't see what is happening right in front of their noses, and will just believe whatever they are told and blame it all on Trump - their derangement has gone that far. Holy shit. And now we are all subjected to the miserable thrashing and gyrations of these lunatics. What a disgrace.

[tom444]

All of those things are included in the fundamental rights that we should not be giving up.


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The reason why we will not be watching sports in 2020, why the schools will be closed in the fall, and why you will be furloughed from your job, is for one reason: Because the goal is to drag the idiot lockdown out as long as possible.

Are you still on this? Good fucking lord.

[Mojouw]

So shoes and a shirt to shop is okay but a mask is too far?

All the data indicates that individual people have chosen to stop spending money both before and after government enforced lock-downs went into effect. People are declining to consume things and go out and spend money in public because of their individual anxiety over COVID. Recent reports said only 7% of the economic drop-off has been tied to government enforced sanctions. The vast majority is people choosing not to engage in consumer spending due to safety concerns or overall lack of consumer confidence.

Look at places where movie theaters are open again. Or hotels. No one is going. Many of those business were forced to close prior to any government regulation due to dropping below an sustainable # of patrons. People just decided not to go even before things were ordered to shutter. In places where things are open, retail, food service, and hospitality are still super down because people are deciding they are not comfortable attending these types of establishments.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...oronavirus-us/



So isn't that individual choice?

[steelreserve]

So shoes and a shirt to shop is okay but a mask is too far?

All the data indicates that individual people have chosen to stop spending money both before and after government enforced lock-downs went into effect. People are declining to consume things and go out and spend money in public because of their individual anxiety over COVID. Recent reports said only 7% of the economic drop-off has been tied to government enforced sanctions. The vast majority is people choosing not to engage in consumer spending due to safety concerns or overall lack of consumer confidence.

Look at places where movie theaters are open again. Or hotels. No one is going. Many of those business were forced to close prior to any government regulation due to dropping below an sustainable # of patrons. People just decided not to go even before things were ordered to shutter. In places where things are open, retail, food service, and hospitality are still super down because people are deciding they are not comfortable attending these types of establishments.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...oronavirus-us/



So isn't that individual choice?

Aren't you the same guy who was bitching about how too many people were eagerly going out in public, and it was going to ruin everything?

[tom444]

Aren't you the same guy who was bitching about how too many people were eagerly going out in public, and it was going to ruin everything?

No, actually he's been very consistently saying that people are uncomfortable going to stores, restaurants, hotels, movie theaters, what have you, due to fear of catching the virus or wanting to be careful how they spend their money.

[Mojouw]

Aren't you the same guy who was bitching about how too many people were eagerly going out in public, and it was going to ruin everything?

Yup. And then I read up on it and found several seemingly well researched studies that contradicted my anecdotal experience with actual data.

I've been regularly posting some of those studies in the discussions here.

Early on, all cohorts somewhat ignored this and soft lockdowns became hard lockdowns. It seems that recently younger people are going out to party and that's driving some of the increase. But other economic data says that there is low amounts of sustained consumer spending; the tent pole of the entire economy.

Details of all this are a 45 second Google session away.

[steelreserve]

Yup. And then I read up on it and found several seemingly well researched studies that contradicted my anecdotal experience with actual data.

I've been regularly posting some of those studies in the discussions here.

Early on, all cohorts somewhat ignored this and soft lockdowns became hard lockdowns. It seems that recently younger people are going out to party and that's driving some of the increase. But other economic data says that there is low amounts of sustained consumer spending; the tent pole of the entire economy.

Details of all this are a 45 second Google session away.

In other words ... It's people like you who are driving the economic collapse, then. Congratulations on that, you did it!

If anyone actually believes that government restrictions are only responsible for 7% of the drop in economic activity, that person is the most retarded individual in the history of humanity. The government literally said you cannot go anywhere except the store. I cannot imagine the level of mental gymnastics required to arrive at such a conclusion.

But hey, they're experts, right, so I'm sure that's it, and not the explanation that's staring you right in the face, in 20-foot-high letters. What's two plus two, Winston?

[silver & black]

All of those things are included in the fundamental rights that we should not be giving up.

The government is not allowed to tell anyone whether or not they can to go to work, where they are permitted to shop, what they are permitted to buy, where they can go, who they can associate with, whether they are allowed to go on vacation or not. If anyone thinks that any of that is even remotely ok ... well basically, fuck you.

If I wanted to buy a silly hat that served no purpose at all, and the government told me no, you're not allowed - that by itself is a gross abuse of power, and the entire point of the country was that the government is not allowed to have that category of power. I have no duty to wait until you deem it is safe. If you think Canada and Europe are doing everything so much better and we're all so dumb - feel free to fuck off and go to Canada, I don't want people like you here ruining everything with stupid shit like this.

The reason why we will not be watching sports in 2020, why the schools will be closed in the fall, and why you will be furloughed from your job, is for one reason: Because the goal is to drag the idiot lockdown out as long as possible. The left has completely gone off the deep end. They actually think that people can't see what is happening right in front of their noses, and will just believe whatever they are told and blame it all on Trump - their derangement has gone that far. Holy shit. And now we are all subjected to the miserable thrashing and gyrations of these lunatics. What a disgrace.

[Mojouw]

In other words ... It's people like you who are driving the economic collapse, then. Congratulations on that, you did it!

If anyone actually believes that government restrictions are only responsible for 7% of the drop in economic activity, that person is the most retarded individual in the history of humanity. The government literally said you cannot go anywhere except the store. I cannot imagine the level of mental gymnastics required to arrive at such a conclusion.

But hey, they're experts, right, so I'm sure that's it, and not the explanation that's staring you right in the face, in 20-foot-high letters. What's two plus two, Winston?

Well since my household and personal spending has stayed exactly the same or somewhat increased; wrong again buckaroo. I've made a concerted effort to find ways to spend money in my local area. I guess I could start lighting gas on fire...

As to the percentage stuff the research paper is about 6 posts or so upthread. You claim you can read and have a substantially better understanding of numbers and their true meanings than most. So have at it. Maybe you can finally get your Nobel.