https://www.illinoispolicy.org/what-...rdered-so-far/
Here's one about Illinois. Sounds like states have more power than the FEDS right now. Guess that's how it gets balanced.
Seems like for 30 days Governors can do whatever they seem necessary.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/what-...rdered-so-far/
Here's one about Illinois. Sounds like states have more power than the FEDS right now. Guess that's how it gets balanced.
Seems like for 30 days Governors can do whatever they seem necessary.
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When residents of one state will not help out residents of another state seeking life’s necessities during the time of novel corona - reads like a hypothetical on application of the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the 14th Amendment in a constitutional law exam
Western Pennsylvanians will have to look somewhere besides one popular neighboring West Virginia county to buy their liquor.
The Monongalia County Health Department issued a public health order effective noon Saturday until further notice banning the sale of liquor to anyone without a West Virginia driver’s license or state identification.
Dr. Lee B. Smith of the county health department said the order was necessary “in order to enforce social distancing” and to keep residents of other states from spreading coronavirus in West Virginia....
On March 17, Pennsylvania officials closed state liquor stores statewide to prevent the spread of coronavirus. Authorities said many residents were traveling to the bordering county in West Virginia to replenish their liquor supplies....
On Wednesday, Pennsylvania officials approved on-line sales of liquor to state residents, but the demand caused the system to crash.
https://triblive.com/local/regional/...ennsylvanians/
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No hypothetical on whether stay at home ordinances violate the First Amendment here - lawsuit filed in federal court in North Carolina (link to story and complaint)
On Thursday four people affiliated with Love Life filed a lawsuit in federal court against the Greensboro mayor and a lieutenant with the Greensboro Police Department after they were arrested March 28 for violating the stay-at-home orders of that city and Guilford County while protesting outside an abortion clinic there.
The four plaintiffs contend their arrests violated their First Amendment rights to free speech and protest at the clinic
https://www.newsobserver.com/latest-...241776291.html
https://www.thomasmoresociety.org/wp...v.-Vaughan.pdf
Plaintiffs are seeking a temporary restraining order on which the federal district judge is supposed to rule promptly so we shall see how this ends up
If I had to guess, those orders would still be subject to the federal Constitution. A state could not, for example, say, "It's an emergency, we're temporarily re-instituting slavery," or "It's an emergency, women can't vote." Those sound ridiculous, but have the same standing.Originally Posted by Mojouw
Some things in the Bill of Rights, such as the Third Amendment (soldiers cannot commandeer your home even in wartime), are specifically designed with emergencies in mind, and would seem to strongly imply, "This document applies regardless, and is not a suggestion to be waved off the first time a crisis comes up."
It's good that someone is actually challenging these questions and we may get an answer. The people in the case Dan mentioned probably have a lot stronger case than idiots partying at the beach, since they were engaging in political protest.
What would happen if a hundred people gathered to demonstrate against the governor's stay-at-home orders, and they were rounded up and thrown in jail? Would that be ok to do? How about a march by people who lost their jobs and think the government aid program isn't enough - all right to arrest them for assembling? It gets into some pretty uncomfortable territory pretty fast.
Even a bunch of meatheads at the beach could make the argument, in theory, that their gathering is a symbolic protest through civil disobedience to show their disagreement with the government ... although I highly doubt that's what it was, or that any of them have the intelligence to do that.
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Wouldn't this also be a really moronic test of the interstate commerce clause?
One would think that unless they ban purchases by their own citizens as well, it is effectively (or expressly) an attempt to regulate interstate commerce. Liquor may not be quite the critical staple as certain other things, but would it stand up if, for example, the state of Nevada or the city of Las Vegas banned people with California IDs from buying groceries?
There are probably a million cases that have been argued about that one that I don't know about, so the answer is probably in some obscure ruling and not what you would think, it just has the look of something like that.
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Figures.
At least some good news, apparently they're ready to start antibody testing to see if you had a previous infection and gotten over it, not just whether you have it now.
Imagine how much of a difference it would make if millions of people knew they had immunity to it. Could be almoat anyone who had a cold in the past 6 months. Really would open the door to getting things back to somewhat normal. THIS is where they should be commandeering resources to crank these out around the clock by the hundreds of millions.
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For once, we agree (dont tell anyone).
If this is akin to chicken pox, once people knew they had been exposed and had gotten over it, they could return to work. Theyd be safe from infection, and could get businesses up & running again. (Obviously, the people who have yet to be exposed would still need to practice social distancing.)
Of course, the only setback would be if the virus were still communicable after one had gotten over it. That would suck. But, my guess is that as long as the cured washed their hands (and maybe even changed their clothes once they got home), the risk of spreading it would drop significantly.
Oh... and they closed Coronados beaches. ARGH!!! It looks like Steve will have to provide his services elsewhere.
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He's gotta be about 50. Hopefully he has no underlying issues.
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I read proposals like this from presumably well informed people and have a sinking feeling there is not yet a coherent plan how to get to the other side of this
There is “good news” for those who think the U.S. economy will have a tough time recovering from the coronavirus pandemic, said St. Louis Fed President James Bullard, on Sunday.
“There is a solution using available technology today to fix the economic part,” Bullard said, In an interview on the CBS News program “Face the Nation.”
That solution? Universal testing.
Bullard laid out a system where every American would be tested every day and would wear a badge with their negative result, similar to the ones people wear after they vote.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fe...?mod=greg-robb
I cannot begin to imagine how the logistics of accurately testing everyone every damn day would supposedly work
Yea.... good luck with that. Everything sounds good until you try to implement it.
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So,
To revisit an older discussion in this thread, as it turns out, COVID-19 is like the Spanish Flu as it, too, is causing Cytokine storms in patients just like the Spanish flu did.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...628-0/fulltext
For a writeup on the Spanish Flu and cytokine storms, see https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...-was-so-deadly. Note, the discussion on cytokine storms starts after the third picture.
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Texas tightening its border with Louisiana
The Texas Department of Public Safety set up checkpoints Sunday to screen vehicles on roadways entering Texas from Louisiana
State troopers began stopping drivers in accordance with an executive order Gov. Greg Abbott issued last week, which requires travelers from Louisiana to self-quarantine for 14 days when they enter Texas by road.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/publ...rom-louisiana/
Summary of state by state border restrictions in linked article below
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ts/2947021001/
But no such concerns in Georgia - come on down, the water is fine
This from Georgia Governor Kemp's chief of staff
“Georgia – go to the beach, lake or a state park!” said Tim Fleming, the governor’s chief of staff, in a Facebook post late Saturday. “They are all open and despite what the media is reporting there have been no issues on Georgia beaches or lakes today.”
https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/ke...l2VfXupvJ9XmL/
So there are problems consistently implementing 50 different responses to a singular crisis? Whhhhaaaaaaaaaa?? Strong, proactive central leadership that doesn't ignore facts on the ground or cater to special interests often is the way through emergency situations? Thank god that Jared Kushner is all over this.Texas tightening its border with Louisiana
The Texas Department of Public Safety set up checkpoints Sunday to screen vehicles on roadways entering Texas from Louisiana
State troopers began stopping drivers in accordance with an executive order Gov. Greg Abbott issued last week, which requires travelers from Louisiana to self-quarantine for 14 days when they enter Texas by road.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/publ...rom-louisiana/
Summary of state by state border restrictions in linked article below
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ts/2947021001/
But no such concerns in Georgia - come on down, the water is fine
This from Georgia Governor Kemp's chief of staff
“Georgia – go to the beach, lake or a state park!” said Tim Fleming, the governor’s chief of staff, in a Facebook post late Saturday. “They are all open and despite what the media is reporting there have been no issues on Georgia beaches or lakes today.”
https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/ke...l2VfXupvJ9XmL/
ha ha
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...072915819.htmlMan shot dead in Philippines for flouting coronavirus rules
Country's first reported case of police shooting a civilian for refusing to follow restrictions to curb coronavirus.
5 Apr 2020
That didn't take long. He warned the people this was how he would deal with it.
Live by the gun die by the gun.
Wouldnt mind if they did that here.
Enthroned Into The Good Old Boys Club - 2024
Mark Madden: Dont expect sports to return in the next year
https://triblive.com/sports/mark-mad...the-next-year/
True. I just read about what he said he was going to do a couple of days ago. I figured they would take that guy seriously... guess not. I bet they will now.
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Yes you would. I understand the sentiment, but we can't have that here.
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Fortunately South Carolina borders Georgia, so if you live in South Carolina and want to hit the beach just head south on I-95
Meanwhile, the first major election to be officially postponed, and the subsequent legal challenge:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin...144347298.html
Worth noting - this would actually allow many state and local elected officials to stay in office past their normal term of office, effectively a test of whether an emergency declaration can be used by the sitting government to stay in power. While in this case, allowing the county tax collector to remain in office may not be a likely path to world domination, the principle being tested is pretty damn important.
Also cited in the case, elections continued as usual during the 1918 flu epidemic as well as the War of 1812.
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This article really over-simplifies what is going on here. Voting rights groups and the Democratic governor want increased absentee ballot authorization and submission timeline. An increasingly unpopular Republican statehouse and Supreme Court (they are voted on here in Wisco) wanted to limit the amount of absentee/non-in-person ballots. This is an incredibly contentious issue here, because the party in power for most of the last decade or so (Republicans) has used their majority in the legislature to draw gerrymandered district lines (this is not just me saying this, multiple state and federal courts have ruled them illegal) and make it difficult to both register to vote and actually vote at a polling place, let alone absentee. Many of these attempts to jigger the vote and in some cases actively suppress votes have been struck down by the courts, but no approved replacements have been put in place prior this round of primary elections. Governor and the state election commission proposed a variety of solutions and alternative arrangements to hold the primary but ensure that the most amount of people could easily vote and have their vote counted. Statehouse basically said "Nope" for little publicly stated reasons. The historic polling data indicates their primary constituencies do poorly at voting absentee and their parties ground-game is weak at getting their voters transitioned to alternative formats. So with a bunch of offices suddenly "contested" with new non-gerrymandered districting -- the party in power wants to limit voter turnout and has attempted to use the court system to prevent the opposition party from using its (perceived) superior ground-game to "get out the vote". Draw your own conclusions as to why.Interestingly, the actual numbers show that the reverse is happening in the submission of early absentee ballots.
I am not a fan of the Governor's decision to delay the election. And to be fair, it really totally wasn't his. The most recent court decision on this had the judge saying that the court lacked the authority to delay, but that both the Governor and the Legislature did and should have already taken that action because of lack of poll workers, safety concerns, and voter turnout issues. But I was also not a fan of the Republican party's tactics to suppress votes that they don't think are going to go their way.
In a tar both sides approach, this particular election was really only about the state Supreme Court seat that was open. Why? Because that court will soon decide whether or not approximately 225 K people can be unilaterally purged from the voting roles in the state without a clear path back to registration. Guess which voters and districts that disproportionately impacts? Guess which party would then have a clearly path to Wisco's electoral college votes in the next presidential?
Bottom line, elections in Wisconsin have been super-screwed up for about 10 years now and this is neither surprising or exclusively related to the virus stuff. This whole election cycle in the state was going to be challenged in the courts no matter how or when it took place. Tons of shady tactics all around.
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If the election is postponed until June who will stay in office past their elected term?
It appears the only general election on the ballot is for the Wisconsin Supreme Court, which for who knows what reason has the general election for its members held in April rather than along with the legislature and Governor in November. Since whoever is elected in April starts their term the following August it does not appear this will allow any incumbent Supreme Court Justice to overstay their term
Of course a number of states, including Georgia, already have reschedued their primary elections this year on public safety grounds. FWIW Georgia, not renowned as a champion of maximizing voter participation, has mailed out applications to all registered voters to vote absentee in the rescheduled primary on public safety grounds.
I should have also mentioned that, rather than my rant on election politics in Wisco. Been pretty sick of it the last 3 months or so.If the election is postponed until June who will stay in office past their elected term?
It appears the only general election on the ballot is for the Wisconsin Supreme Court, which for who knows what reason has the general election for its members held in April rather than along with the legislature and Governor in November. Since whoever is elected in April starts their term the following August it does not appear this will allow any incumbent Supreme Court Justice to overstay their term
Of course a number of states, including Georgia, already have reschedued their primary elections this year on public safety grounds. FWIW Georgia, not renowned as a champion of maximizing voter participation, has mailed out applications to all registered voters to vote absentee in the rescheduled primary on public safety grounds.
It is important to remember that this does not prolong terms of office (maybe a dogcatcher here or there -- MAYBE) and the state judicial system has already and repeatedly stated that either or both the executive and legislative branch have more than enough authority to enact a delay within a set of defined parameters that are outlined somewhere or other.
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Meanwhile we have a new leader in the clubhouse for public official with the most tone deaf response to novel corona related matters
https://www.wisn.com/article/wiscons...ourt/32018135#
So, the fun of living in a "laboratory for democracy" continues. Another court ruling today that says the previous court ruling was nonsense. Basically, each side has the way they want this to turn out. Then each side does a series of specific things designed to force the issue to the courts. Then, since the Wisco courts get real partisan real quick -- the real fun begins. So, as of the last 3 days, both the Governor and the leader of the state congress have taken specific actions to force the issue to the court of their choice. While, leadership might be welcome, this is business as usual in a state that sees itself as "ground zero" for 2020 national elections.
The truly fun test is that Milwaukee is the hardest hit segment of the state by the virus. City and County officials have already stated that they could give a f*&$ what the courts say -- they ain't opening nothing.
Gonna get even more dumb out this way over the next few days.
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Its amazing you folks don't have anything to do.
An update about the 22 tickets issued in San Diego County by the Sheriffs Department: it was all residents of Encinitas.Duh.
I miiiight be stereotyping (since I lived there for 9 years), but my guess these were a bunch of “1% trust fund babies” telling the cops that their daddy will sue the cops.
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