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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    I agree with this *mostly*. My only disagreement being that nobody can be a "victim" of a word.

    So happy that I was raised when the phrase “sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me,” was drilled into me as a child.
    Never bothered me when I was called a guinea, wop, or dago while growing up. No outrage...real or fake.
    Just words.

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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by FrancoLambert View Post

    So happy that I was raised when the phrase “sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me,” was drilled into me as a child.
    Never bothered me when I was called a guinea, wop, or dago while growing up. No outrage...real or fake.
    Just words.
    I disagree.

    We are three pages in on a discussion about words that Myles Garrett stated on ESPN. Slander. Libel. Defamation. Those aren’t just words, either.

    SUMMATION:
    Sticks & stones may break bones, but words can end careers.

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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by FrancoLambert View Post

    So happy that I was raised when the phrase “sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me,” was drilled into me as a child.
    Never bothered me when I was called a guinea, wop, or dago while growing up. No outrage...real or fake.
    Just words.
    Words can be worse. Things people have told me in the past still can be haunting today, but I can think of the a$$ whoopings I've taken in the past that don't mean crap to me now. Mental scars take the longest to heal.
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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    I disagree.

    We are three pages in on a discussion about words that Myles Garrett stated on ESPN. Slander. Libel. Defamation. Those aren’t just words, either.

    SUMMATION:
    Sticks & stones may break bones, but words can end careers.
    Sad, but true. You ARE free to say what you like, but you have to also be will to accept the consequences. You can call your boss an idiot, and she/he might be, but there is a good chance you will be fired....without a recommendation. That’s why the only asshole I’ve had to work for, for the last 33 years, is me.

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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Marvel View Post
    As a Black Man if i was called that, everyone would know in the moment, not days later. Garrett can 't do this BS...it takes away from actual victims of the word when someone cries wolf like this to justify bad behavior.
    Exactly. How Garret reacted isn't how I or pretty much anyone Black that I know would've reacted after the situation. Shannon sums it up perfectly here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXhoEejQZOg

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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    This is a fallacy. Just because one person or several people or even most people would do it one way doesn't prove that something did or did not happen. Do I believe it happened? No. I don't believe it because I do not think being a part of the Steelers and "supporting your guy" means more to black men on this football team than the decades and centuries of racism that sit behind the use of that single word. Yet, no one came forward and said a word. I do not believe the NFL and the Steelers, who has a black coach and is the organization and ownership responsible for pushing the hiring of minorities in the NFL, would sweep this under the carpet. Finally, Goodell and the NFL has been on the wrong side of many decisions. However, it would have been a bonanza of bonus points from the BLM movement and company had the NFL identified such use and moved swiftly against it. They did not.

    For all those reasons, I do not think anything was said. But, just because he didn't come forward immediately does not mean it didn't happen, and just because others would have doesn't negate whether it did or did not happen. I simply don't believe it for all the other reasons listed.



    You have to remember where this took place.

    This didn't take place in a Buddhist temple on a mountain side somewhere in Nepal. This took place on an NFL football field.

    Have you ever played on a football field or been in a locker room as an active participant at a high level of competition? There is nowhere on this earth where there is more bravado, more posturing, more overreactions to any stimuli, and more testosterone than there is in those settings. These men are playing for their paychecks and their next contracts. There are guys pushing and shoving after every play for the tiniest of reasons. Hell, even a guy like Troy Polamalu would get in the face of another player for something they said or did on the football field... and he's as close to the Dalai Lama in cleats as anyone that has ever played in the NFL.

    Your position on the subject comes from an intellectual and psychological determination, but it doesn't live in reality. There's not a football player that ever lived that would do what Garrett did after that game by issuing an apology if they were called a racist remark on the field and in the heat of battle......nobody. He was in a position where he reacted to something and he was going to potentially be suspended and fined, losing millions of dollars, yet he doesn't bring up the reason for the outburst to show justification of some sort? Nobody does that.

    Also, the more false claims that are made, the less believable other claims become because there is more doubt in people's minds.

    The fact that you don't understand that is probably because you have never been in a similar environment. And that's okay.... but to say these comments are a fallacy I believe shows a lack of understanding on your part due to lack of life experiences within the game of football.
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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    I disagree.

    We are three pages in on a discussion about words that Myles Garrett stated on ESPN. Slander. Libel. Defamation. Those aren’t just words, either.

    SUMMATION:
    Sticks & stones may break bones, but words can end careers.
    I think we’re talking about two different uses and effects of words.
    Using words to slander, libel, or defame someone can ruin a reputation or career...agree with you fully on that.
    But being called a derogatory term for whatever race you are will only bother you if you let it.
    That’s the point I tried to make.

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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Mike Tomlin indicates he thinks Mason Rudolph should sue Myles Garrett

    Steve DelVecchio, Larry Brown Sports

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...tt/ar-BB105OYK

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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Mike Tomlin indicates he thinks Mason Rudolph should sue Myles Garrett

    Steve DelVecchio, Larry Brown Sports

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...tt/ar-BB105OYK
    He should. Defend his reputation and get some of that Miles Garrett money while he's at it.

    At the same time a message needs to be sent to people pulling this crap when they just can't take responsibility for themselves; that this is not a way out, but could actually backfire.
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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Tomlin very aggressively supporting Rudolph after Garrett stirred this up again has changed the optics of this for the obvious reason

    Michael Wilbon has been in the "maybe he said it, maybe he didn't” camp. But on PTI yesterday after Tomlin's comments on First Take, Wilbon said that Tomlin is the most credible person in this mess and that while Rudolph may have said it, usually if that happened you would be yelling "you called me what" while swinging the helmet.

    Tony Kornheiser than said this has become such a cluster courtesy of Garrett reviving the allegations that the league probably needs to call everyone in to say straighten this out (good luck with that).

    Discussion starts around 11:15 mark of linked audio below

    https://podbay.fm/podcast/147232181/e/1581982440

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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Mike Tomlin indicates he thinks Mason Rudolph should sue Myles Garrett

    Steve DelVecchio, Larry Brown Sports

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...tt/ar-BB105OYK
    This is gonna tip the whole thing over the edge - someone actually coming out and endorsing a lawsuit. The fact that this person was Mike Tomlin gives it much bigger legs to stand on.

    Garrett is rapidly turning himself into an NFL pariah.

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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Boy. I sure hope Tomlin and Rudolph are in the right here. If it were to come out that Mason was lying or whatever --- these two might not survive a public battle over a racial slur.

    The NFL money spending public will more readily forgive violent aggression and false accusations than it will lying about racial stuff or a hint of a "cover-up" .

    FWIW, I suspect Tomlin knows all this and is REAL confident in the version that Rudolph is and has stuck to.

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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Boy. I sure hope Tomlin and Rudolph are in the right here. If it were to come out that Mason was lying or whatever --- these two might not survive a public battle over a racial slur.

    The NFL money spending public will more readily forgive violent aggression and false accusations than it will lying about racial stuff or a hint of a "cover-up" .

    FWIW, I suspect Tomlin knows all this and is REAL confident in the version that Rudolph is and has stuck to.
    If there was corroborating evidence to support Garrett it would be out by now after 3 months - that is why Garrett threw the mud that the NFL was sitting on audio that incriminates Rudolph since he has nothing else

    After he stood by Ben following the first sexual assault allegation in Nevada and then was burned by Milledgeville you can bet Tomlin would not put his reputation on the line if he had any qualms about backing Rudolph this strongly and taking on ESPN for good measure. The risk of being wrong is too great when it is a journeyman being defended this time rather than the franchise QB more crucial to the team’s future

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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Garrett going down the same road as AB over the same crap really, dude just doesn't know when to shut up.
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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by FrancoLambert View Post
    I think we’re talking about two different uses and effects of words.
    Using words to slander, libel, or defame someone can ruin a reputation or career...agree with you fully on that.
    But being called a derogatory term for whatever race you are will only bother you if you let it.
    That’s the point I tried to make.
    ^ 'Zackly. It's what happens *after* the words that matters, not the words themselves. People's insults don't affect me unless I actually give a flip about their opinion of me... Which I usually don't. I just take it as a sign of weakness on their part and press on.
    People got too focused on "victimhood", and now we have an entire generation running around perpetually butt- hurt; inventing insults where they don't even exist.
    What matters here is Garrett committed aggravated assault in front of a national audience. He should've been arrested for what he did. He's lucky to have gotten off as lightly as he did, and the cowardly POS still can't own up to it and is lying about it to cover his own ass.
    What are ya gonna do, though? Can't sue him and expect to win.
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    Re: Garrett Renews Claim Rudolph Called Him N***er

    Quote Originally Posted by FrancoLambert View Post
    I think we’re talking about two different uses and effects of words.
    Using words to slander, libel, or defame someone can ruin a reputation or career...agree with you fully on that.
    But being called a derogatory term for whatever race you are will only bother you if you let it.
    That’s the point I tried to make.
    Thank you for the clarification.

    What if it’s a child? What if a group of students are surrounding one child calling him “n*gger”... is that child supposed to just brush it off as simply a word?

    In my field, I deal with bullying quite a bit. Only about 5% of the cases are students physically bullying another student. Almost all of the cases are “hurtful words.” Simply, kids can be mean.

    Furthermore, abusive/derogatory language used to be bad enough. Nowadays, with cyber bullying, there’s no escaping it. Two decades ago, Lil’ Frankie would get called names at school, but when he goes home, it ends. Nowadays, Lil’ Frankie goes home and is bombarded with the same derision on Snapchat, Instagram, and the ilk. Of course, the older generations say to simply “log off”, but social media is how this generation interacts. To “log off” is to disengage with one’s peers.

    And... when someone calls Lil’ Frankie a horrible name in person, the bully is likely to temper his/her words a little bit. Why? Seeing someone react (cry) usually causes most humans to ease up. On social media, the bully doesn’t see this reaction... and thus, the bully will not only post untempered insults, the bully will keep going & going & going.

    SUMMATION:
    I still disagree.

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