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    New Kid In Town

    The Cleveland Browns have hired their next head coach, Kevin Stefanski.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...as-head-coach/

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    So Chubb on HB dives when down 3 scores in the 4th quarter? LOL.

    It will be interesting to see where Stefanski takes the offense. Lots of simalarities in personnel between the Vikings and Browns.

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    Who will be their coach in 2021?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    So Chubb on HB dives when down 3 scores in the 4th quarter? LOL.
    Yep

    That hiring may get renewed scrutiny, given the performance of the Vikings’ offense in that loss in San Francisco, and especially given the fourth quarter play calling, when the Vikings continued to attempt to establish the run even when they were facing a 17-point deficit.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...as-head-coach/

    But the important hiring criteria was that Stefanski actually called the plays in Minnesota, as opposed to the superior offense in KC where coordinator Eric Bieniemy does not.

    So too bad for Bieniemy - must have play calling experience - unless you were Joe Judge in this hiring cycle and the clear benefits of hiring someone who "preaches old-school values" and was being pursued by the legendary Mississippi State program outweighed the less than optimal performance of his position players in his first year as receivers coach for the Pats

    https://www.newsday.com/sports/footb...nts-1.40441772

    Cannot imagine why anyone has issues with how this has turned out and would believe they "know you have no shot"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...-have-no-shot/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaDan View Post
    Yep

    That hiring may get renewed scrutiny, given the performance of the Vikings’ offense in that loss in San Francisco, and especially given the fourth quarter play calling, when the Vikings continued to attempt to establish the run even when they were facing a 17-point deficit.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...as-head-coach/

    But the important hiring criteria was that Stefanski actually called the plays in Minnesota, as opposed to the superior offense in KC where coordinator Eric Bieniemy does not.

    So too bad for Bieniemy - must have play calling experience - unless you were Joe Judge in this hiring cycle and the clear benefits of hiring someone who "preaches old-school values" and was being pursued by the legendary Mississippi State program outweighed the less than optimal performance of his position players in his first year as receivers coach for the Pats

    https://www.newsday.com/sports/footb...nts-1.40441772

    Cannot imagine why anyone has issues with how this has turned out and would believe they "know you have no shot"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...-have-no-shot/
    Rooney Rule has been turned into a joke.

    What is the percentage of pro players that are black or Hispanic? White? Then do the same for coaches. Seems out of whack.

    I get that you can't force teams to do things, but something seems fishy here.

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    The Browns hire Negan.

    The TV series ruined that character... and now, Cleveland will do the same to this coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Rooney Rule has been turned into a joke.

    What is the percentage of pro players that are black or Hispanic? White? Then do the same for coaches. Seems out of whack.

    I get that you can't force teams to do things, but something seems fishy here.

    At some point, doesn't it make sense to hire a young, innovative, black head coach. You see how players go play insanely hard to support black quarterbacks. Black men believe they are getting screwed out of opportunities, and they need to know that they are getting a fair shake.

    If I was an owner, I'd be looking for a young, inspirational leader of men that happens to be a black man. It just makes so much sense. These guys will bust their asses to advance that cause....and rightfully so.

    There are so many black players involved in the highest levels of the game. It has to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Rooney Rule has been turned into a joke.

    What is the percentage of pro players that are black or Hispanic? White? Then do the same for coaches. Seems out of whack.

    I get that you can't force teams to do things, but something seems fishy here.
    About 75% of players are black - 4 non-white HCs out of 32 with Ron Rivera being hired again after being fired

    But Joe Judge “just has a certain presence about him” according to the Giants’ co-owner

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/12/s...core-ios-share

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    I think it is a good hire at first glance. Lack of OC experience a concern but the way Cousins had a career year with him is a good sign. Fresh new guys I think are better than retreads

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    At some point, doesn't it make sense to hire a young, innovative, black head coach. You see how players go play insanely hard to support black quarterbacks. Black men believe they are getting screwed out of opportunities, and they need to know that they are getting a fair shake.

    If I was an owner, I'd be looking for a young, inspirational leader of men that happens to be a black man. It just makes so much sense. These guys will bust their asses to advance that cause....and rightfully so.
    Seems like a fairly obvious approach. But I'm sure it's just some sort of liberal agenda.

    I've always wondered why pro sports picks old primarily white dudes to attempt to lead/relate to decades younger primarily non white dudes.

    I mean I know why for many many years, but I heard racism and discrimination doesn't exist anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    I think it is a good hire at first glance. Lack of OC experience a concern but the way Cousins had a career year with him is a good sign. Fresh new guys I think are better than retreads
    Was that because of him?... or, because Gary Kubiak was whispering in his ear???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Seems like a fairly obvious approach. But I'm sure it's just some sort of liberal agenda.

    I've always wondered why pro sports picks old primarily white dudes to attempt to lead/relate to decades younger primarily non white dudes.

    I mean I know why for many many years, but I heard racism and discrimination doesn't exist anymore.

    Mr Rooney and the Steelers talked the talk, and then walked the walk. They probably went into their search for a head coach with a list of qualified men and were hoping someone would distinguish themselves during the interview process.

    They didn't care about experience. They didn't care about skin color. They were open to the idea that a man can come into that process and transcend any predetermined opinions they had about him, and they trusted the organization to support that man in any way imaginable and knew they could lean on the good football men already within the organization to maximize that man's talents and fill in any gaps that may have been there from an experience standpoint.

    In other words, they hired the best man for the job, and they knew it immediately after talking to him that he had leadership qualities and a knowledge of the game that made him the man they HAD to have.

    Great leaders lead.

    Mr Rooney did, and he did so by example.

    He also believed in his heart that Mike Tomlin would do the same.

    They walked the walk, and now more teams need to do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    Mr Rooney and the Steelers talked the talk, and then walked the walk. They probably went into their search for a head coach with a list of qualified men and were hoping someone would distinguish themselves during the interview process.

    They didn't care about experience. They didn't care about skin color. They were open to the idea that a man can come into that process and transcend any predetermined opinions they had about him, and they trusted the organization to support that man in any way imaginable and knew they could lean on the good football men already within the organization to maximize that man's talents and fill in any gaps that may have been there from an experience standpoint.

    In other words, they hired the best man for the job, and they knew it immediately after talking to him that he had leadership qualities and a knowledge of the game that made him the man they HAD to have.

    Great leaders lead.

    Mr Rooney did, and he did so by example.

    He also believed in his heart that Mike Tomlin would do the same.

    They walked the walk, and now more teams need to do the same.
    Remember how it was going to be Russ Grimm?

    I suspect the Rooney's made the right choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Remember how it was going to be Russ Grimm?

    I suspect the Rooney's made the right choice.


    No doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    At some point, doesn't it make sense to hire a young, innovative, black head coach. You see how players go play insanely hard to support black quarterbacks. Black men believe they are getting screwed out of opportunities, and they need to know that they are getting a fair shake.

    If I was an owner, I'd be looking for a young, inspirational leader of men that happens to be a black man. It just makes so much sense. These guys will bust their asses to advance that cause....and rightfully so.

    There are so many black players involved in the highest levels of the game. It has to happen.
    Browns hire Byron Leftwich in 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Browns hire Byron Leftwich in 2021.
    Needs to get non-coordinator coach for the Pats on his resume first

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    Didn't see that coming. I know a lot of Browns fans. I'm sure they won't be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    At some point, doesn't it make sense to hire a young, innovative, black head coach. You see how players go play insanely hard to support black quarterbacks. Black men believe they are getting screwed out of opportunities, and they need to know that they are getting a fair shake.

    If I was an owner, I'd be looking for a young, inspirational leader of men that happens to be a black man. It just makes so much sense. These guys will bust their asses to advance that cause....and rightfully so.

    There are so many black players involved in the highest levels of the game. It has to happen.
    I don’t buy it. Look at all the black NFL Head Coaches that have come and went. They didn’t bust their asses for some of those guys. A head coach is a head coach...if these guys like the guy, have a good attitude towards him and buy into the system, they’ll play hard. I don’t buy that these guys will want to promote a cause by playing hard. I mean it is possible that maybe there just hasn’t been a good candidate. Very rarely do teams go waaaaaay outside the box to find a candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    I don’t buy it. Look at all the black NFL Head Coaches that have come and went. They didn’t bust their asses for some of those guys. A head coach is a head coach...if these guys like the guy, have a good attitude towards him and buy into the system, they’ll play hard. I don’t buy that these guys will want to promote a cause by playing hard. I mean it is possible that maybe there just hasn’t been a good candidate. Very rarely do teams go waaaaaay outside the box to find a candidate.

    What's way outside the box about hiring a head coach that is already a coach of some kind...and he's black?

    I'm not buying that there have been no good candidates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    ...................But I'm sure it's just some sort of liberal agenda.
    ............................

    That, and remember, blacks can't swim.



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    I just read that Stefanski agreed to turn in his game plan every week to Haslam and Depodesta...lol. What could go wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    What's way outside the box about hiring a head coach that is already a coach of some kind...and he's black?

    I'm not buying that there have been no good candidates.
    I think that it is mostly that owners are super risk averse and conservative in their decision making. They want know quantities or whatever. Look at how many guys get jobs because their old man coached. Gilbride and Fossil's kids are coaches.

    It creates a closed fraternity. Once you get in, you just get recycled over and over again until your in your 70's. Then some nepotism kicks in and your kids get jobs or if not your actual kids, whatever coach or coaches you serve as a rabbi for.

    Throw in the fact that the people that are doing the hiring tend to be white, generationally wealthy, old AF --- and it isn't hard to see how coaching stays pretty monochromatic.

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    That, and remember, blacks can't swim.


    Absolutely ridiculous that this was only 50 years ago. In fairness, this dude may not have been all that inentionaly racist, just really dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    I just read that Stefanski agreed to turn in his game plan every week to Haslam and Depodesta...lol. What could go wrong?
    Yeah this is going to end well

    [S]ome of the candidates going through Berea found the place to have more red flags than Tiananmen Square. One big one was the, yes, level of involvement of DePodesta’s analytics team. Both Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens were basically told to have senior analyst Dave Giuliani on headsets on game day over the last four years, with Guiliani serving as a sort of game management specialist....

    Another was that the head coach would have twice-weekly meetings with ownership and analytics people. In the past, the Monday meetings have taken up to half a day, and proposed Friday meetings would be for reviewing game plans.


    https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/01/13/bi...nfl-news-notes

    Ex-Dodgers GM wants say in Cleveland Browns’ play-calling, reports say

    In 2016, the Cleveland Browns hired Paul DePodesta as chief strategy officer. DePodesta, a former general manager of the Dodgers, was the second-in-command in the Billy Beane-run Oakland Athletics front office that inspired the book “Moneyball.”...

    Stefanski “made it clear he was willing to yield to certain DePodesta standards, such as an analytics person with a head set and access to the coaching staff on game days,” the Canton (Ohio) Repository reported.

    Dustin Fox, an analyst on the Browns’ broadcasts, reported on Twitter that “candidates also had to agree to turn in game plans to the owner and analytics department by Friday, and to attend an end-of-week analytics meeting to discuss their plan.”

    https://www.latimes.com/sports/story...-say?_amp=true

    In any endeavor it's just a matter of breaking down the data to exploit market inefficiencies - that's the answer for what ails the Browns

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    I just read that Stefanski agreed to turn in his game plan every week to Haslam and Depodesta...lol. What could go wrong?
    Nope Cleveland won't be a threat anytime soon

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    This sucks, to be honest. I'm not a Browns fans, but they are one of the storied teams in the league. It's just a shame that a team with such tradition and great players over many years should be a doormat in the present. I just can't wrap my head around why Haslam would put so much faith/emphasis on anylitics over raw, football knowledge/experience. I was really hoping that the Browns were on their way back. I think they are on their way back to has been status with this current hiring/srategy.

    Being a Raiders fan for 52 years, I can empathise with Browns fans. As F'd up as my team is.... and Mark Davis....... I still think the Browns are in way worse shape. I really feel bad for the fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaDan View Post
    Yeah this is going to end well

    [S]ome of the candidates going through Berea found the place to have more red flags than Tiananmen Square. One big one was the, yes, level of involvement of DePodesta’s analytics team. Both Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens were basically told to have senior analyst Dave Giuliani on headsets on game day over the last four years, with Guiliani serving as a sort of game management specialist....

    Another was that the head coach would have twice-weekly meetings with ownership and analytics people. In the past, the Monday meetings have taken up to half a day, and proposed Friday meetings would be for reviewing game plans.


    https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/01/13/bi...nfl-news-notes

    Ex-Dodgers GM wants say in Cleveland Browns’ play-calling, reports say

    In 2016, the Cleveland Browns hired Paul DePodesta as chief strategy officer. DePodesta, a former general manager of the Dodgers, was the second-in-command in the Billy Beane-run Oakland Athletics front office that inspired the book “Moneyball.”...

    Stefanski “made it clear he was willing to yield to certain DePodesta standards, such as an analytics person with a head set and access to the coaching staff on game days,” the Canton (Ohio) Repository reported.

    Dustin Fox, an analyst on the Browns’ broadcasts, reported on Twitter that “candidates also had to agree to turn in game plans to the owner and analytics department by Friday, and to attend an end-of-week analytics meeting to discuss their plan.”

    https://www.latimes.com/sports/story...-say?_amp=true

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    I hear ya. Doesn't every team need a baseball guy to crunch numbers for a successful FOOTBALL team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    This sucks, to be honest. I'm not a Browns fans, but they are one of the storied teams in the league. It's just a shame that a team with such tradition and great players over many years should be a doormat in the present. I just can't wrap my head around why Haslam would put so much faith/emphasis on anylitics over raw, football knowledge/experience. I was really hoping that the Browns were on their way back. I think they are on their way back to has been status with this current hiring/srategy.

    Being a Raiders fan for 52 years, I can empathise with Browns fans. As F'd up as my team is.... and Mark Davis....... I still think the Browns are in way worse shape. I really feel bad for the fans.
    Owners LOVE analytics because you can quantify and categorize everything just like they do with their businesses. This, then, allows them to become involved with the football side of things without having to learn all that much.

    I strongly believe analytics have a productive and useful place in the NFL and teams are going to find innovative ways to use them.

    This, does not sound like that. It sounds like meddling by an ego driven owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Owners LOVE analytics because you can quantify and categorize everything just like they do with their businesses. This, then, allows them to become involved with the football side of things without having to learn all that much.

    I strongly believe analytics have a productive and useful place in the NFL and teams are going to find innovative ways to use them.

    This, does not sound like that. It sounds like meddling by an ego driven owner.
    I agree. Who else do we know like this???? Maybe Romo could shed a little light...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I think that it is mostly that owners are super risk averse and conservative in their decision making. They want know quantities or whatever. Look at how many guys get jobs because their old man coached. Gilbride and Fossil's kids are coaches.

    It creates a closed fraternity. Once you get in, you just get recycled over and over again until your in your 70's. Then some nepotism kicks in and your kids get jobs or if not your actual kids, whatever coach or coaches you serve as a rabbi for.

    Throw in the fact that the people that are doing the hiring tend to be white, generationally wealthy, old AF --- and it isn't hard to see how coaching stays pretty monochromatic.
    I don't buy it. I think that while a disproportionately high percentage of black youth pursue a career in football as players, far fewer pursue a career in coaching. I believe in hiring the most qualified applicant, period. I don't believe in advancing one applicant over the other due to race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    What is the percentage of pro players that are black or Hispanic? White? Then do the same for coaches. Seems out of whack.

    I get that you can't force teams to do things, but something seems fishy here.
    What is the percentage of electronics assemblers that are women? Then do the same for engineers and technicians. Seems out of whack, but it's not. While men and women are hired to do assembly work in roughly equal numbers, more women tend to survive the training and weeding out process because they're better at the job than men in general. Women, OTOH, rarely get into STEM. It's not that they're excluded (colleges and companies are bending over backwards to encourage women to do it), they're just plain not interested.
    It's frustrating because we're suffering an engineer shortage, but what are ya gonna do? You can't put a gun to their heads and *force* them into STEM.
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