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    Steeler Draft Order

    Is this correct?

    1-R2 pick

    2-R4 picks

    1-R6

    1-R7

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Is this correct?

    1-R2 pick

    2-R4 picks

    1-R6

    1-R7
    hopefully we'll also get a 3rd round comp pick for Le'Veon Bell.

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Yes, that is correct. One of the R4 picks is Miami’s which will be high (it was traded for our R5 pick... part of the Minkah trade).

    And, as Hawaii stated: we should get a R3 comp pick for Bell.

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Yes, that is correct. One of the R4 picks is Miami’s which will be high (it was traded for our R5 pick... part of the Minkah trade).

    And, as Hawaii stated: we should get a R3 comp pick for Bell.
    I think we gave a 5th for vannett? We must of had two R5's

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Package the 2, one of the 4's and the comp 3 to move up to R1.

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    I think we gave a 5th for vannett? We must of had two R5's
    Indeed that is correct.

    I started to try & track all of those late-round trades... and I go confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Package the 2, one of the 4's and the comp 3 to move up to R1.
    I’d say the opposite. If we do trade, I’d trade back from 49/50 to get two R3 picks. Use those two picks and the comp pick to draft the future LT, LG, & OC. (I’m a firm believer in chemistry. Allow those three to get drafted together and develop together.)

    *All of this occurs only if Jacob Eason is gone by 49/50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Indeed that is correct.

    I started to try & track all of those late-round trades... and I go confused.

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    I’d say the opposite. If we do trade, I’d trade back from 49/50 to get two R3 picks. Use those two picks and the comp pick to draft the future LT, LG, & OC. (I’m a firm believer in chemistry. Allow those three to get drafted together and develop together.)

    *All of this occurs only if Jacob Eason is gone by 49/50.


    I agree. If they were to move, I think they move back to acquire more picks.

    I almost always think they should trade back for more picks!

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Indeed that is correct.

    I started to try & track all of those late-round trades... and I go confused.

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    I’d say the opposite. If we do trade, I’d trade back from 49/50 to get two R3 picks. Use those two picks and the comp pick to draft the future LT, LG, & OC. (I’m a firm believer in chemistry. Allow those three to get drafted together and develop together.)

    *All of this occurs only if Jacob Eason is gone by 49/50.
    I saw where CBS sports had him #3 behind Burrow and Tua, ahead of Herbert.

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    We don't need a QB, I still think Mason can be a good QB in the league. Maybe he's one of those guys who needs a couple years behind a starter first. Or a different OC who will commit to a running game. He honestly impressed me vs the Jets, I don't know what happened to his arm, or if it was just us getting used to watching Duck, but his passes had some zip on them. The one laser he threw between defenders was a beauty (a throw that Hodges is incapable of making). He just needs to consistently do that more, when he plants his foot into the throw he's money. I think concerns over his arm strength is more of a mechanics issue, that can be coached.

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Indeed that is correct.

    I started to try & track all of those late-round trades... and I go confused.

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    I’d say the opposite. If we do trade, I’d trade back from 49/50 to get two R3 picks. Use those two picks and the comp pick to draft the future LT, LG, & OC. (I’m a firm believer in chemistry. Allow those three to get drafted together and develop together.)

    *All of this occurs only if Jacob Eason is gone by 49/50.
    Now that's optimistic!

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    2: OL/TE
    3: TE/OL
    4: DL
    4: RB/WR

    *Assuming Bud does get retained which I believe he will be.
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    1. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 2. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia 3. Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan 3. ​Renardo Green, CB, FSU 4. Mo Kamara, OLB, Colorado State 6. Logan Lee, DT, Iowa 6.Khristian Boyd, NT, Northern Iowa

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Am I just dense, or does anyone else not get why TE is such a huge perceived need that people are suggesting it should be our top priority? I think both of the guys we have are all right, just nobody threw them the ball all year.
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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Am I just dense, or does anyone else not get why TE is such a huge perceived need that people are suggesting it should be our top priority? I think both of the guys we have are all right, just nobody threw them the ball all year.
    Vannett is a free agent.

    McDonald could be a cap casualty.

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    The QB situation did not help but McDonald declined as a blocker this season also, maybe he bounces back but It's time to look elsewhere.

    Still hope they call Tampa about OJ Howard this off season. They are wasting his talents down there.
    1. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 2. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia 3. Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan 3. ​Renardo Green, CB, FSU 4. Mo Kamara, OLB, Colorado State 6. Logan Lee, DT, Iowa 6.Khristian Boyd, NT, Northern Iowa

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    The QB situation did not help but McDonald declined as a blocker this season also, maybe he bounces back but It's time to look elsewhere.

    Still hope they call Tampa about OJ Howard this off season. They are wasting his talents down there.

    Agreed. His blocking has declined but it was never good. He also has issues catching the ball and he hasn't played a complete season without injury since being drafted in 2013. I hope the Steelers move on.

    This doesn't seem to be a great TE class but there are players that can be cheaper and better than McDonald. El mentioned Adam Trautman who is really intriguing. I believe he is ranked at about #7 in this TE class. I also like Josiah Deguara which I think is ranked about 15th. There are others also.


    https://withthefirstpick.com/2019/11/12/2020-nfl-draft/




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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    The QB situation did not help but McDonald declined as a blocker this season also, maybe he bounces back but It's time to look elsewhere.

    Still hope they call Tampa about OJ Howard this off season. They are wasting his talents down there.
    Maybe Arians could throw Tomlin a bone and give him OJ on the cheap...probably not...he’s probably still bitter...lol. Maybe have Ben give him a call...

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Happy New Year!

    Like I said this isn't a TE class like the last few years so the first TE might not get selected until late R2 or R3


    Add Harrison Bryant to the TE list. He says he tries to model his game on George Kittle.

    https://www.dynastynerds.com/mackey-...ter-nfl-draft/






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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Happy New Year!

    Add Harrison Bryant to the TE list. He says he tries to model his game on George Kittle.

    https://www.dynastynerds.com/mackey-...ter-nfl-draft/





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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkman View Post
    Getting started early aren’t you.
    I can't help myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Vannett is a free agent.

    McDonald could be a cap casualty.
    If they don't retain Vannett after trading for him, I'd be really surprised. He ought to be available at a reasonable number.

    McDonald I guess it's hard to say. Can they replace him with a legit #1 TE for the $5M we'd save? Can we find a legit #1 TE in round 2, and is using that pick for TE instead of something we really need worth it for the $5M we'd save? I'd think the answer to both is probably no. It's easy to see he's not worth it if 2019's performance is what we can expect, but I would bet they're hoping for past years' output with a healthy QB, and use the high picks at more urgent spots.

    Like, if we can grab a guy in R2 who will head off he need for replacing Pouncey, Foster, one of our D-linemen, or Dupree (who I think will be franchised and then gone in 2021 one way or another) ... I think that helps us more than what would be essentially a lateral move at TE that does not save us enough money to sign more than a stopgap journeyman at any of those other positions.
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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Here is another complicating factor on TE. They usually take 2-3 years to have an actual impact. I am not saying that is a reason to NOT draft one. But Kittle is the exception that proves the rule. Hunter Henry is pretty darn good when healthy. So is Zach Ertz. So are a lot of guys not named Kelce or Gronkowski. Most have little impact in a season altering or offense changing ways on their teams until year 2 or 3.

    Rookie lineman on both sides of the ball can change teams fortunes in year one however...

    So it can be a great deal about how quickly a fan or a team wants the player to impact the team.

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Am I just dense, or does anyone else not get why TE is such a huge perceived need that people are suggesting it should be our top priority? I think both of the guys we have are all right, just nobody threw them the ball all year.
    I’m with you on this one. 2 known commodities and still got the TE from last year’s draft. I don’t see RB as a priority either. OL is a need. CB is a need. OLB is a need. I see every other position group as ‘can be upgraded’ but not a current need. IF McDonald and/or Vannett leave this offseason then TE moves into a need category. My opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    I’m with you on this one. 2 known commodities and still got the TE from last year’s draft. I don’t see RB as a priority either. OL is a need. CB is a need. OLB is a need. I see every other position group as ‘can be upgraded’ but not a current need. IF McDonald and/or Vannett leave this offseason then TE moves into a need category. My opinion.
    100% with you.

    Fortunately, the needs at CB and OLB are for depth now, or for a starter a couple years from now, both of which can be found in R2 or maybe R3. On the lines, we could use more immediate help, but you can also find impact players there in R2 and R3, with the exception of left tackle.

    So our needs kind of fit our situation, and I would be surprised if we did not take one of those four positions, whichever one we are lucky enough that someone good is available. For RB, WR, or TE, someone crazy good would have to fall to us.

    We should not forget that free agency as well as trades are available options, and for WR and TE in particular we have seemed to be pretty willing to bring in mid-level signings (with varying success, of course).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Here is another complicating factor on TE. They usually take 2-3 years to have an actual impact. I am not saying that is a reason to NOT draft one. But Kittle is the exception that proves the rule. Hunter Henry is pretty darn good when healthy. So is Zach Ertz. So are a lot of guys not named Kelce or Gronkowski. Most have little impact in a season altering or offense changing ways on their teams until year 2 or 3.

    Rookie lineman on both sides of the ball can change teams fortunes in year one however...

    So it can be a great deal about how quickly a fan or a team wants the player to impact the team.
    There is a reason why I'm stuck on the OJ Howard idea. Who knows if Tampa will move him but he is primed to breakout with a legit QB who is not afraid to throw his way. Remember the hype when the Steelers signed Ladarius Green? When he was healthy he made a impact in the middle of the field, Howard could provide that.
    1. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 2. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia 3. Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan 3. ​Renardo Green, CB, FSU 4. Mo Kamara, OLB, Colorado State 6. Logan Lee, DT, Iowa 6.Khristian Boyd, NT, Northern Iowa

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    There is a reason why I'm stuck on the OJ Howard idea. Who knows if Tampa will move him but he is primed to breakout with a legit QB who is not afraid to throw his way. Remember the hype when the Steelers signed Ladarius Green? When he was healthy he made a impact in the middle of the field, Howard could provide that.
    I wouldnt hate the idea. Dude doesnt block much at all. Only drawback other than cost. His agent has got to frantically trying to get him out of Tampa. All those passing yards and he doesn't get featured ahead of Breshard Perriman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    If they don't retain Vannett after trading for him, I'd be really surprised. He ought to be available at a reasonable number.

    McDonald I guess it's hard to say. Can they replace him with a legit #1 TE for the $5M we'd save? Can we find a legit #1 TE in round 2, and is using that pick for TE instead of something we really need worth it for the $5M we'd save? I'd think the answer to both is probably no. It's easy to see he's not worth it if 2019's performance is what we can expect, but I would bet they're hoping for past years' output with a healthy QB, and use the high picks at more urgent spots.

    Like, if we can grab a guy in R2 who will head off he need for replacing Pouncey, Foster, one of our D-linemen, or Dupree (who I think will be franchised and then gone in 2021 one way or another) ... I think that helps us more than what would be essentially a lateral move at TE that does not save us enough money to sign more than a stopgap journeyman at any of those other positions.
    Not saying that “I” would draft a TE, but I can see the logical reasons why it might indeed be a need.

    Vannett is a FA. If he re-signs, there’s no need to draft a TE early.

    McDondld could be cut, saving the team $5.6 million. If he is retained, there’s no need to draft a TE early.

    SUMMATION:
    I’m all in on drafting Jacob Eason early (and a QB in every draft until we find a realistic replacement)... followed by stating three O-linemen (and one more in each of the following drafts).

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Happy New Year!

    Like I said this isn't a TE class like the last few years so the first TE might not get selected until late R2 or R3


    Add Harrison Bryant to the TE list. He says he tries to model his game on George Kittle.

    https://www.dynastynerds.com/mackey-...ter-nfl-draft/





    Gonna be a good week to view TE's at the Senior Bowl this year. DeGuara, Bryant, Trautman, Hopkins from Purdue and Pinkney from Vandy have all accepted invites. Should be able to evaluate and maybe find a guy worth picking in the 2nd round during that week.

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    I just wonder what the plan is at RB. There are 4 of them on the roster, all can play but none of the them have shown they can be a lead back.

    Do they wanna use "RB by committee"? which can work, or would they want someone who will get 20-25 touches per game like they did with Bell?
    1. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 2. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia 3. Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan 3. ​Renardo Green, CB, FSU 4. Mo Kamara, OLB, Colorado State 6. Logan Lee, DT, Iowa 6.Khristian Boyd, NT, Northern Iowa

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    I just wonder what the plan is at RB. There are 4 of them on the roster, all can play but none of the them have shown they can be a lead back.

    Do they wanna use "RB by committee"? which can work, or would they want someone who will get 20-25 touches per game like they did with Bell?
    I think they will pick someone up. As it is now they have 4 clones and that doesn't keep a defense honest. Conner is a nice back but he just can't stay healthy.

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    Re: Steeler Draft Order

    I want an all-around tight end that can block, because I think it helps the team in multiple ways.

    I like the idea of a TE that can help the running game, rather than a guy that is a glorified WR. The ability to block and help this team's running game could transform the offense. Imagine a healthy Ben coming back and having a player that allows him to more effectively hand the ball off for yards, can help stay in and pass protect, and still be able to be a reliable receiver that can post up between the numbers while also giving him with the surprise option down the field in spots. The improved run blocking would also open up more play action, and make bootleg throws much more effective as defenses need to honor the running game.

    All of what I just mentioned helps the quarterback. It helps the offensive line. It improves the toughness of the team as every offensive player sees a guy being physical every play, and helps toughen the defense by going against that additional physical presence in practice, mini camp, preseason, whatever...

    I know those guys can be rare, but there are always diamonds that are picked up in the third or fourth rounds.

    This offense hasn't been the same since Heath Miller stopped being Heath Miller near the end of his career.

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