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    Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    https://youtu.be/M7EIRjhu5X8

    I learned a bunch watching this breakdown. Well worth sticking with it. Your mileage and enjoyment may vary.

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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    https://youtu.be/M7EIRjhu5X8

    I learned a bunch watching this breakdown. Well worth sticking with it. Your mileage and enjoyment may vary.
    Pretty good. I did notice something else in that video, though. A good portion of Minkah being able to do what he does is the work of the front seven. By taking away the time it takes for a deep route to develop, Minkah can sneak up and make plays. He's doing so at the risk of giving up long balls, but trusts the D Line and LBs won't allow that much time.

    Minkah is good. Very good. And, very intelligent. But, I disagree with the narrator's final assessment. Minkah didn't make the defense this good. The defense was this good, but couldn't show it because they had a part missing. It's like an engine. You can have a 700 horsepower engine, but if you're missing a piston, it's not going to put out that much horsepower. Once you drop in that last part, poof. You're blowing everyone away in the quarter mile.

    And, seeing that and realizing what was going on, I may have to back away from my dislike of the DC. It seems he's been trying to build this defense for five years and just couldn't get the right parts. Now that he has them, we're seeing just what it is capable of, and it is a much better defense than the LeBeau fireblitz with the lineman having rush responsibilities now.


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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    It is an interesting discussion on how to evaluate Butler's defense. This version of it looks totally capable of countering the recent pass wacky fancy schmancy offense pervading the league. The last 4 seasons --- not so much? Of course missing playmakers right at the heart of the defense (ILB, SS, FS) may have been the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    Pretty good. I did notice something else in that video, though. A good portion of Minkah being able to do what he does is the work of the front seven. By taking away the time it takes for a deep route to develop, Minkah can sneak up and make plays. He's doing so at the risk of giving up long balls, but trusts the D Line and LBs won't allow that much time.

    Minkah is good. Very good. And, very intelligent. But, I disagree with the narrator's final assessment. Minkah didn't make the defense this good. The defense was this good, but couldn't show it because they had a part missing. It's like an engine. You can have a 700 horsepower engine, but if you're missing a piston, it's not going to put out that much horsepower. Once you drop in that last part, poof. You're blowing everyone away in the quarter mile.

    And, seeing that and realizing what was going on, I may have to back away from my dislike of the DC. It seems he's been trying to build this defense for five years and just couldn't get the right parts. Now that he has them, we're seeing just what it is capable of, and it is a much better defense than the LeBeau fireblitz with the lineman having rush responsibilities now.
    All good points. I think it absolutely works both ways... Minkah helps the front seven, and the front seven help Minkah. But I do think he’s more than just a working part. He’s like getting a one of a kind, after market part that optimizes the rest of your after market engine.

    I also get what you’re saying about Butler because I’ve been pondering the same thing. But then I think, yeah what a plan he had: I’ll just get the most talented players possible and then I’ll have a great defense. I guess what I’m wondering is, are they extra good because of something Butler is doing, or are they that good despite Butler’s limitations?

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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    Remarkable that he was able to correctly diagnose a play that had only ever been run once and wasn't successful. Most people wouldn't remember it at all, let alone mark it and gamble a coverage bust to shut it down. Dude must have a memory like a bear trap.
    "You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland

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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    https://youtu.be/M7EIRjhu5X8

    I learned a bunch watching this breakdown. Well worth sticking with it. Your mileage and enjoyment may vary.

    Thanks for that video.

    That was a very cool breakdown, and it really explained more than X's and O's. It really allows you to see a players mindset as to how they play the game, while illustrating how instincts and athleticism merge with film study to help a player with exceptional skills do damage on the field.

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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    Remarkable that he was able to correctly diagnose a play that had only ever been run once and wasn't successful. Most people wouldn't remember it at all, let alone mark it and gamble a coverage bust to shut it down. Dude must have a memory like a bear trap.
    For sure. His football iq is just off the scale. Scary thing is he should get even better. Like what’s it gonna be in a year or two where he’s seen it all?

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    Steelers were tops in the league in sacks in 2017 and tied for tops in the league in sacks with the Chiefs (a bottom ranked defense) in 2018 and still problems with the defense remained. Sounds like Minkah has brought to the table a level of communication and intelligence that had been sorely lacking for some time, thatand a safety who doesn't go into prevent mode all game long

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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    For sure. His football iq is just off the scale. Scary thing is he should get even better. Like what’s it gonna be in a year or two where he’s seen it all?
    That’s a great point. He’s a baby in terms of NFL experience, yet his football IQ is already off the charts

    So yeah, he really is only going to get even better from here. What a trade.

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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    Who is wearing the green dot on the defensive side? Bush, Williams, Fitzpatrick?

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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkman View Post
    Who is wearing the green dot on the defensive side? Bush, Williams, Fitzpatrick?
    I think they’ve actually had Barron wearing it when he’s in. But maybe someone can correct me on that.

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    Yeah I just rewatched a bit of highlights from the last game. Barron is definitely wearing the dot in the beginning of the game.

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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    Fitzpatrick is definitely the difference maker, overnight seemed to turn a bad secondary into a really good one. Reminds me of those stretches when Troy was injured, the team couldn't seem to win at all. Great safety play obviously is huge in both cases.

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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    Still amazing how KC turned a unknown first round pick into a 23 year old All-Pro caliber safety, also flipped a 5th for a mid 4th.

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    Re: Details on How MF Impacts Coverages

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    Still amazing how KC turned a unknown first round pick into a 23 year old All-Pro caliber safety, also flipped a 5th for a mid 4th.
    I totally forgot about that aspect of the trade. The more you examine it, the better it looks.

    When you think about it, it's less of a trade and more of a magic trick. We basically got to draft early; with our first round pick we selected Minkah Fitzpatrick, an all pro caliber safety who is far and away the best player "on the board." And we got our draft pick early.

    But on top of all that, we swapped a 5th round pick for a 4th? That hardly even seems fair.

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