Rudolph has a weak arm and poor vision. The Steelers will have to wait for 2021 to pick a QB in the first round.
Rudolph has a weak arm and poor vision. The Steelers will have to wait for 2021 to pick a QB in the first round.
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He’s got 6 games to undo the damage from last night. He’s now fighting for his NFL career. I’m not optimistic but I’ll reserve final judgment.
I was thinking He'd be Neil O'Donnell, but after this last game I'm starting to think he's Tomczak, someone who will be a career journeyman backup. Just good enough to stay in the NFL but not starter caliber.
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More like Kent Graham performance last night.Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
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This. To be honest, I also saw some things I liked last night as well. He seemed smarter about escaping and throwing the football away (at least early on). I also liked the fact he showed better arm strength a few times and his deep throws had lots of air under them (and his receivers again didn't help him). However, most of that was fleeting.
My biggest worry, and I've said this before, is that he throws hospital passes. He does not yet understand how his pass sets up a receiver for a bad collision, and he waits too late to throw it or throws it in the wrong windows. That has to stop quickly or we won't have a WR corp.
Last night was the thing the team feared would happen and wish didn't happen.
Mason Rudolph finally was exposed and had his "meltdown" game as a young QB. Horrible passes all night long and four picks. I mean, he was really bad. Indefensibly bad. As bad as everything looked, I believe Tomlin was smart to not bench Mason. It wouldn't have solved anything. If you're dealing with a young QB, especially a backup, you take your good with the lumps and move on. You have to see what the guy is made of, and how he responds.
To make matters worse, the Offense lost Juju and Diontae Johnson, and will lose Pouncey for the next three games. Making a very weak offense even weaker. So where is the answer? The solution isn't Randy Fichtner. He's useless. It's on Mason. Rudy better get over it and bounce back. The team really needs him to grow up and quick, and I mean gain several years of veteran experience overnight. He has no choice. That's what he has to do.
A lesser version of Tommy Maddox, so far.
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Until the TNF game, Mason had avoided the “costly” mistakes.
Play great defense.
Don’t turn the ball over.
Eke our a win.
As awful as last night was, I didn’t lose hope for this team. Mason essentially handed the Browns four red-zone opportunities... and, the Browns only came away with 14 points. If Mason has simply thrown the ball away/we punted, this probably ends up a 10-7 victory for the Steelers.
With Conner, JuJu, and DJ sidelined, the team put the offense in Mason’s arm. He doesn’t have it (yet?) and he certainly wasn’t being helped by the drops. Heck, Holton almost had two long TDs. If he catches even one of those (and Mason throws only 2 INTs), it’s still a very winnable game.
SUMMATION:
If Mason avoids turnovers, this defense will keep us on every game.
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Agreed - I thought the Rams game might be when we would see whether Mason could carry the offense if the Steelers fell behind - instead it happened Thursday night. Mason got worse as the game progressed with his chuck and duck passing. Fichtner is no NFL level OC but I am past blaming this primarily on Fichtner.
When the Steelers placed a first round grade on Mason they must have used the same formula that placed a first round grade on Artie Burns
your summation only get you so far. A shitty QB is still a shitty QB no matter how good your defense is.
that shit has to be able to make plays at key moments and Mason hasn’t done that once.
like a lot have said he’s got 6 games left to prove he’s a starter or a back up...and I’m going with the latter to date.
the sad thing is how good could this team be if Ben didn’t get hurt...
But if Ben doesn't get hurt, do we make the trade for Minkah?
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Summation: Ben would take his normal 6 games to warm up, have a few fantastic games and a few shit games. The WR's still would be dropping balls and giving up on route running, Pouncey would still be snaping the ball high, the Oline would still be missing blocks and everyone else would still be hurt. Is Ben better than Mason, absolutely! Would our record be much better than it is, not so sure about that?
If Ben doesn’t get hurt, he’d be a marginally better Mason Rudolph.
Ben was quite horrible without AB going back to the Week 17 game against the Bengals. The problems continued in the New England opener, and he wasn’t good against Seattle.
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With Ben not having seen game action for almost a year by next training camp, will be interesting to see if Tomlin & Ben decide he needs more reps in exhibition games next August above the usual max of the first quarter in preseason week three.
With Mason hopefully getting six more regular season games to show what he has (or confirm what he apparently doesn't have) will not be the same pressing need to get reps for the #2 QB
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More Duck!!!
I don’t get what his problem is. He’s got the height to see the field, studies the game, has accuracy - was known for it in college, his arm strength may not be the greatest but it doesn’t necessarily have to be as long as he stays within his range - whch should be enough most of the time
im beginning to think he’s having trouble thinking on the fly and making decisions at this level
Mason is a perfectionist to a fault. He needs things to go absolutely perfect on offense, or nothing happens, instead of letting things happen to him. Several players and coaches have gone on record that Mason studies and works so hard that he barely gives himself any space to unwind and relax. It takes a mental toll on him and He’s working himself out of the league.
All of his issues right now are he’s way too much in his own head and is indecisive. He’s afraid of making a mistake. Resulting in a lot of badly thrown balls and bad ball placement. Guess what? He made several hundred mistakes. He got away with it because the Steelers were winning. Now they lost because of him.
The kid has shown a propensity of bouncing back. He had his first horrible game. The only thing he can do now is respond. If he comes out these next few games and shows the same issues, yeah, then it’s likely he’ll amount to nothing more than a backup.
agreed, he could use a good QB coach too, do we have one?
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Lot easier throwing against Big 12 defenses and defenders - speed of the game and what is available from NFL defenses sorts out a lot of system QBs who had the physical and mental tools to succeed at the minor league (aka "college") level
Teams can screw up with someone graded out as a top of the first round pick (hello Mr. Trubisky) but there are reasons he lasted into the third round
Interesting to look back at this PFF video profile at the time Mason was drafted - general accuracy and arm strength for intermediate routes were the big downsides, which we have seen
Colbert and others have gone on record saying that evaluation of college spread QBs is really hard. Mason looked the part in college and many draft pundits thought his game would translate. Many did not. Steelers were wrong and that sucks, but it's a third round pick and now they know.
If he has to move his feet and make 2 reads, he can't function.
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https://walterfootball.com/scoutingr...18mrudolph.php
There were a few games in 2017 with examples of Rudolph struggling to throw into tight windows. His anticipation will have to improve for the pros, or he could be taking a lot of sacks from holding onto the ball too long. Routinely, Rudolph wouldn't pull the trigger on a throw until his receiver had long since gotten wide open rather than anticipating the play to get the ball out faster. The length of time Rudolphs holds the ball in the pocket is going to be a problem in the NFL, but in the Big XII and against other college teams, he could get away with it because he had all day to throw. There were plays where he got the ball out quickly with anticipatory throws, but he was inconsistent with that and has to quicken the process for the NFL.
Rudolph will need development as a pro. He will have to work on his accuracy and field vision, plus get used to playing under center and calling plays in the huddle. Going through progressions and reading the field can be problems for Rudolph, and he has to improve there. He is going to see a big jump in competition from the Big XII defenses, which posed little challenge to Rudolph and the Cowboys. He had plenty of time to wait in a clean pocket to throw on weak defensive backs who his receivers burned regularly. Rudolph hasn't seen anything close to the pass rush or defensive back talent that will challenge him in the NFL.
Unfortunately for the Steelers right now, Mason doesn’t have the luxury of learning or developing from the bench. He has to learn and develop on his own, and quickly. In the offseason, Mason had to go out and work with a Throwing guru to work on his throwing motion.
It’s the epitome of trial by fire for the guy. As one poster succinctly put it, Mason is doing on-Job training, with all of the glaring hiccups that come with it.
Look at all the NFL coaching staffs in the league and you’ll notice that most of them have a quarterbacks coach. They also happen to have young quarterbacks. Ben benefitted mightily from having Mark Whipple back in 2004.
It’s a poor foundation, and once again it all goes back on the coaching staff for crutching on Ben and doing a poor job preparing for a life without him. They drafted two young QB’s in Dobbs and Rudolph, but didn’t figure to bring in a dedicated QB coach to help them out and work out the kinks. Now Fichtner has to do double work working with Rudy and the rest of the offense.
No amount of coaching is fixing Rudoplph. The team still screwed the pooch on the QB coach stuff. But let's not start the myth that only because of the lack of a QB coach Mason R didn't succeed.
Pretty sure Rudolph has the rest of the season to bounce back from a bad game and show what he can do. Barring injury Steelers are not going to Hodges and pretty sure they’re not going to coax Farve out of retirement
To be fair Rudolph has looked good at times, had a bad game, but may improve against less than stellar defenses
he also doesn’t have much help from the receiving corps, I’m sure Steelers are taking that into account
I seen enough of him now to know he doesn't have it. He has no pocket awareness and can't hear the foot steps so to speak or just blocks them out. Hesitates to much and holds on to the ball to long for a NFL QB. My prediction is he may have a okay game here and there if the offense line gives him all day to throw. Most games though he will take a lot of sacks and have fumbles and likely to get his bell rang again and miss another game or two.
If JuJu and DJ aren’t available next Sunday, they’ll lose to the Bengals.
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The way this offense is going, the way the line is blocking, Josh Dobbs is a better fit right now. He can at least get out of the pocket and maybe scramble or get the pocket moving.
Duck would be even better and moves out of the pocket. Mason is a statue and the Kent Graham comparison hold water.
I'd only counter argue that I think Rudolph is on a bad team. This offense is putrid with or without Mason
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Specially now and no wr's to throw to. Doesn't matter and keep Mason in there.
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