1. Graham Barton, C, Duke 2. Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida 3. Maason Smith, DT, LSU 3. Max Melton, CB, Rutgers 4. Blake Fisher, OT, Notre Dame 6. Tommy Eichenberg, ILB, Ohio State 6. MJ Devonshire, CB, Pittsburgh
well damn, good thing we only throw to our RBs
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Well that explains the Rams dumping Peters while Talib went on IR
Another top shelf player tells management screw you I am forcing my way off this team
Rams must have a contract deal worked out with Ramsey to give 2 first round picks to Jax - props to Jax for getting good return
For better or worse ( I am no fan of the NFL contract system that is heavily skewed in favor of management) the very top NFL players are asserting control associated with NBA players. As was the case with the Raiders and AB, the Rams may find out handling high maintenance talent does not get any easier once the player’s previous team has caved to the player’s demands
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Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
If Goff keeps sucking, Ramsey will be bitching about his quarterback again.
The worst part is Peters going to the Ravens!
So to recap: Rams still have the same number of high-level DBs ... the net effect of both deals is that they traded two first-round draft picks for Kenny Young and a fifth-rounder.
Now THAT is how to lose at trades.
Since there are about 20 people waiting to jump in saying "but they did great, they got SOMETHING for their disgruntled player, they had no choice!" ... Look at what the Jags got for THEIR disgruntled player, that is maximizing your value. You could not ask for a more black-and-white case study of winning versus losing.
edit: Just to clarify, no I am not saying Peters' value should be exactly the same as Ramsey's. But this is a huge case of "buy high, sell low." It is far from a stroke of genius, nor is it salvaging a bad situation.
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Same number of "high-level DB's"??? um no. Peters sucks ass and Talib has aged and went on IR. Ramsey is a top 2 corner in the league.
1. Graham Barton, C, Duke 2. Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida 3. Maason Smith, DT, LSU 3. Max Melton, CB, Rutgers 4. Blake Fisher, OT, Notre Dame 6. Tommy Eichenberg, ILB, Ohio State 6. MJ Devonshire, CB, Pittsburgh
Peters sucks ass now? I'd say that's a bit presumptuous. He's not playing as well as with KC, but CBs are kind of notorious for strange ups and downs. I would never, EVER trade two R1 picks for one, no matter how good they were with their previous team. And they traded Peters at the absolute low point. If that's all you're going to get for him, just trade for Ramsey and keep Peters, and hope that's what helps him get his shit together.
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Peters has been bad for 2 seasons and has been awful this year. Also he's known to be a locker room distraction albeit I have not read much about him being one in LA.
1. Graham Barton, C, Duke 2. Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida 3. Maason Smith, DT, LSU 3. Max Melton, CB, Rutgers 4. Blake Fisher, OT, Notre Dame 6. Tommy Eichenberg, ILB, Ohio State 6. MJ Devonshire, CB, Pittsburgh
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FWIW Pro Football Focus has graded Peters as a top 10 CB this season - I fear the Peters trade is a big help to the Ravens
https://theramswire.usatoday.com/201...ades-rams-cbs/
I think we all saw this move coming...
They may have him graded Top-10, but his play has been awful without Talib there...
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Rams acquire Jalen Ramsey without a new deal
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...mpression=true
That’s bold - what could go wrong with trading two first round picks for a player not locked into a new contract who has been acting out for several years because he does not have a new contract?
Rams going bold trying to save their season
Two first round picks AND a fourth round pick is about as bold as it gets...
Jalen Ramsey is a far, far, faaar better CB than Marcus Peters.
I’m not saying that Ramsey is necessarily worth the price that the Rams paid, but he’s a huge upgrade over Peters.
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Too bad Ramsey cannot play on the offensive line when he is not on defense
Good discussion by Bill Barnwell at ESPN on the Rams being big on splash signings while continuing to have ever greater roster depth problems that are not going to be addressed by trading away first round picks for players who are cashing in for big contracts - add Ramsey, who the Rams have to sign long term after giving up two first round picks, to the huge payouts to Gurley and Goff
https://es.pn/2MFyHte
Top 10 corners don't get sent away for a 5th round draft pick.
Peters is burnt toast on the field.
1. Graham Barton, C, Duke 2. Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida 3. Maason Smith, DT, LSU 3. Max Melton, CB, Rutgers 4. Blake Fisher, OT, Notre Dame 6. Tommy Eichenberg, ILB, Ohio State 6. MJ Devonshire, CB, Pittsburgh
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IMO it is a low risk move for the Ravens
If Peters works out he probably helps them make the playoffs. After this season if he walks the Ravens are in line for a possible comp pick. If he flames out Ravens are out a fifth round pick.
But I agree with Talib out not hanging on to Peters for the rest of the season is odd given how little the Rams got for him.
Cap space needed? Don't know the Rams situation overall, but Peters cleared roughly $5 million. https://theramswire.usatoday.com/201...young-corbett/
Although, once again, the Ravens demonstrate that they have totally mastered this comp pick thing. Even if Peters stinks and leaves, they are going to get something for him.
Well, we just sent away a top 1 receiver for not much more ...
Usually with a skill position player who is young and was a Pro Bowler within a couple years, some team will think they can revive him, or a simple change of scenery is all he needs, and will give you something decent like a second-rounder. If you can't get that, then why bother.
The Rams are in serious trouble, I think. They are going to be like the Lions from a few years ago, super top-heavy with a triumvirate of huge contracts taking up half their cap - only this time with no draft picks either. And one of the three already looks like he is a shell of the player he was when he signed the big contract. The later one of those two draft picks for Ramsey could be a pretty good one.
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And a player who's a proven malcontent when things aren't perfectly to his liking? He'll already have one foot out the door when the Rams finish 7-9 this year.Rams acquire Jalen Ramsey without a new deal
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...mpression=true
That’s bold - what could go wrong with trading two first round picks for a player not locked into a new contract who has been acting out for several years because he does not have a new contract?
The MFF trade is looking better and better by the day.
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Rams need a QB not a CB.
VERY TRUE!!!Rams need a QB not a CB.
Rams are just dumb dumb. Thinking that past practices work in every situation. They throwing away a future for a losing season.
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Are you really throwing away the future though just because you don’t have a first round pick? In the age of free agency and a good scouting team, you can still be competitive without a first round pick or two. It’s just a bit harder and gives you a lot less room for misses and cap errors...a lot less.
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This article in The Ringer agrees while noting the Rams are engaged in a high risk roster development strategy
It is not an exaggeration to say the Rams’ trade for Jalen Ramsey is the biggest risk an NFL team has taken this decade. It almost has to be, by definition: Only a handful of players in the salary cap era, which began in 1994, have been traded for two first-round picks. Add in the big contracts the Rams already have on the books, and this is a high-wire act of roster-building not seen by a contender in a long time....
I think there’s a chance the Rams could be great for a long time. Having said that, there’s a lot of evidence that having draft picks is a good thing.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/1...cks-sean-mcvay
Good call on Peters clearing out cap space for Ramsey, although when Peters was traded the Ramsey trade allegedly was not yet a done deal. Could have blown up in the Rams faces if the Ramsey deal did not go through with Talib on IR and almost forced the Rams to take what the Jags were offering
The Rams weren’t going to extend Peters, so it made sense for Los Angeles to offload him to create more financial flexibility. The Rams had about $2 million cap space entering the week. Trading Peters to Baltimore created another $5.9 million in breathing room, which simply opened the possibility of trading for Ramsey. It assured nothing....
While the Rams weren’t certain they had Ramsey when the Peters deal went through (one source said the Ramsey deal was about half-done when Peters was traded), the Peters deal had to go through for the Ramsey deal to be possible.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/17/ja...uars-les-snead
As long as the cap goes up each year and the rookie wage scale stays in place, it is a viable strategy to keep taking on "star" level contracts. But with a CBA looming and star players increasingly wanting to control their own fates -- it is a really really risky strategy.
But I would rather be the Rams trading a raft of picks to attempt to win than the Texans doing it save the over-matched head coach's job.
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