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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    So Danny Smith was awesome, in addition to Keith Butler!!

    When defense and ST sucks, its those guys that get the blame. Since that great performance last night, does that mean fans are now giving them the praise that is due to them?

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    worst case scenario is torn pec. Could it maybe be a strain?
    Maybe can rehab without surgery and return at some point next month

    Guess we will find out in Tomlin's media conference (does he have one in bye weeks?) or if something leaks via twitter

    In 2017 Tuitt injured his arm on like the second or third play of the season opener against Cleveland and was thought to be lost for the season. He returned in a few weeks and played the season with a partially torn bicep but was diminished the entire season

    I keep waiting for Tuitt to have his breakthrough season after signing his big contract but injuries keep getting in the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    So Danny Smith was awesome, in addition to Keith Butler!!

    When defense and ST sucks, its those guys that get the blame. Since that great performance last night, does that mean fans are now giving them the praise that is due to them?
    I am certainly giving them praise for last night. Particularly in adjusting when guys on D went down. Alualu did a commendable job, given his increased roll when Tuitt went down. Not sure he can keep that up for the rest of the season, so I really hope Tuitt’s injury is not season ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkman View Post
    I am certainly giving them praise for last night. Particularly in adjusting when guys on D went down. Alualu did a commendable job, given his increased roll when Tuitt went down. Not sure he can keep that up for the rest of the season, so I really hope Tuitt’s injury is not season ending.
    I think it is possible that we saw another component of the "answer" for an extended Tuitt absence. Hargrave kicked out and played a decent number of snaps at DE. McCullers got a bit of run at NT. I think in certain situations and packages, that grouping is actually a better answer than a simple swap of Alualu for Tuitt.

    While I certainly hope, Tuitt is healthy and ready to play for the rest of the season, it is encouraging to (finally) see the team getting a bit creative in covering up injuries.

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    Game balls the defense Watt, Bush the DB's front line outing pressure on Cry me A River. Duck played real well took the defense gave him and, Conner had a good game. Like it was posted Berry the punter that was his best game ever.

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    Did anyone see Keenan Allen last night after he torched us last year???

    *ahem* 2 catches 33 yds *ahem*


    (Although Double H had a day)



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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    worst case scenario is torn pec. Could it maybe be a strain?
    It could be, although defensive linemen seem to get torn pectoral muscles A LOT.

    My (limited) understanding of the injury is that if it's torn, you can tell right away. But that even a strain is no joke, as you are at MUCH higher risk of tearing it until it is fully healed, which could take a month or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I think it is possible that we saw another component of the "answer" for an extended Tuitt absence. Hargrave kicked out and played a decent number of snaps at DE. McCullers got a bit of run at NT. I think in certain situations and packages, that grouping is actually a better answer than a simple swap of Alualu for Tuitt.

    While I certainly hope, Tuitt is healthy and ready to play for the rest of the season, it is encouraging to (finally) see the team getting a bit creative in covering up injuries.
    To me, this was a no-brainer ... Hargrave is not a Nose Tackle with a capital N and a capital T, he is simply a good defensive lineman. He really can play either position in a 3-4 scheme. So it is good to see him finally getting on the field more, although the reason for it sucks.
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    Watching Dupree get knocked on his butt by a WR was embarrassing...
    Like Hines used to do?



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    Big Dan actually played well too, I laughed at the play where the center whiffed on him, how do you miss a block on someone that massive lol

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    Big Dan actually played well too, I laughed at the play where the center whiffed on him, how do you miss a block on someone that massive lol

    It was his cat-like quickness!

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    Is there maybe the slightest chance Hodges threw that deep pass INT ‘Without’ Fichtner’s blessing? OR because that pass was thrown and picked it’s the coach’s fault? Not every play goes the way the OC draws it up.

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    Is there maybe the slightest chance Hodges threw that deep pass INT ‘Without’ Fichtner’s blessing? OR because that pass was thrown and picked it’s the coach’s fault? Not every play goes the way the OC draws it up.


    Of course there is. Every play has a progression. You have your first read, second read, etc.... It's a combination of the defense that they are playing, and the coverage.

    Anybody that looks at a pass play that isn't a screen of some kind can't blame all negative outcomes on the play call. Sure OC's make bad calls, but so do quarterbacks. The throw may have even been the appropriate play, and the defender just made a great play on the ball.

    Fichtner gets handed the keys to the car last year. The problem is that Bell held out the entire season, and AB was and is crazy. Neither guy is here, and he loses Ben early in the second game, and Rudolph shortly after that. To crush this guy under these circumstances is just silly. They put up a ton of points last year, even with all the nonsense and missing pieces. Let's get everyone healthy and give Fichtner more time to show us what he could do when his hands aren't tied behind his back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    Of course there is. Every play has a progression. You have your first read, second read, etc.... It's a combination of the defense that they are playing, and the coverage.

    Anybody that looks at a pass play that isn't a screen of some kind can't blame all negative outcomes on the play call. Sure OC's make bad calls, but so do quarterbacks. The throw may have even been the appropriate play, and the defender just made a great play on the ball.

    Fichtner gets handed the keys to the car last year. The problem is that Bell held out the entire season, and AB was and is crazy. Neither guy is here, and he loses Ben early in the second game, and Rudolph shortly after that. To crush this guy under these circumstances is just silly. They put up a ton of points last year, even with all the nonsense and missing pieces. Let's get everyone healthy and give Fichtner more time to show us what he could do when his hands aren't tied behind his back.
    Agreed. Fans that continue to blast these guys are just being idiots, IMO. ALL WEEK reading how at least Duck’s not afraid to air it out. He airs one out and it gets picked. Same fans, “Fichtner SUCKS!” Just frustratingly idiotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Agreed. Fans that continue to blast these guys are just being idiots, IMO. ALL WEEK reading how at least Duck’s not afraid to air it out. He airs one out and it gets picked. Same fans, “Fichtner SUCKS!” Just frustratingly idiotic.
    I think the INT was on him, he ultimately made the decision to throw the ball there. Also looking at last week, he threw a pick that was negated by a penalty, and threw another would-be INT that the receiver broke up. This kid's better as a game manager because if asked to win it with his arm, he will turn the ball over.

    Maybe someday he'll be a playmaker in the NFL, but at this current stage he's better off managing the game. He did show he can do that. For a backup QB, I'll take it! But with that said, Mason is still the man going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Is there maybe the slightest chance Hodges threw that deep pass INT ‘Without’ Fichtner’s blessing? OR because that pass was thrown and picked it’s the coach’s fault? Not every play goes the way the OC draws it up.
    I agree with the comments of PCZACH in that its a progression, so sure it is.

    Hodges scouting report from college shows his 26TD passes, with 14 INT's. Comments are that when he doesn't have his feet set, that throws can get away on him. I look at the underthrow to JuJu on what might have been planned as a back shoulder throw and there is some lack of accuracy/judgement at times. Its why he is projected as a guy that can develop into an NFL #2 QB. He did well, with a gameplan that was run heavy and careful passing. The defense and O line really stepped up on the road to support a guy that was the #4 QB.

    I was actually pleased to see some positive running from Snell, but he still doesn't show the balance at contact that I hoped he would. He is a between the tackles runner and IMO could run stronger, since he doesn't have any real quickness to his game.

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    For the game plan and throwing deep thing...it worked out this week. If the Steelers don't absolutely dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage early, they lose that game. If the game was 5 minutes longer, they lose.

    Right now, Hodges and Rudolph give you such a limited array of offensive options, that as soon as a defense makes any adjustments, you really don't have anything to pivot to that isn't a gimmick. That is why we have seen wildcat, runs that option to a QB keeper, and a boatload of passes to RBs.

    Does that mean that Rudolph and Hodges are terrible? No. It means they are still learning how to do things at an NFL level. It is going to be ugly looking for awhile.

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    Back in 2003, Alex Spanos offered to pay for the entire stadium rebuild... if the city would sell him the land under the stadium. Spanos has a plan to build an activity center (much like the one in Arizona).

    The city was like: “Eff you... we are gonna build that stuff.”

    It’s been 16 years.

    SUMMATION:
    The city has done a great job of making Spanos appear to be the bad guy. Kudos to them.


    Oh, and I’m glad that I’ll never have to watch another game at The Murph. The toilets routinely backed up (due to bad plumbing). I was at the Jets-Chargers playoff game (2004 season). When it started to rain, the stairs started crumbling: chunks of cement were breaking off. After that, I never sat in the upper sections; I only sat in the “field” level with nothing above me (for fear that the upper levels would collapse on top of the lower sections).
    I had only been to the stadium a handful of times before they vacated it, so I guess you know it better than I ... it seems like basically every old stadium develops plumbing issues at some point, and they used to just fix them, but now they use it as a bargaining chip for a brand new stadium superplex.

    I am probably in the minority here, but to me there is a certain appeal to being at a ballpark and not a curated Fan Experience. I've been to plenty of the new-style stadiums (the one in Arizona among them) and basically my impression is that they want everything including the parking lot to be Buffalo Wild Wings. Heinz Field actually strikes a pretty good balance with that, so that you can take it or leave it, but there is not much value in it to me.

    Of course, overhauling the old stadium for a tenth of the cost does not include any nine-figure land development deals, since there is apparently a ton of money to be made building crowded shopping centers where you can overpay for a loud and disappointing dinner and have a couple of $13 premium margaritas.

    I do not really view the city government of San Diego as anything more than incompetent shills who love grandstanding for some kind of invisible virtue-signaling points. Did you know they're spending $2 billion to recycle used toilet water into the drinking water? Done deal. I'm told it's for our own good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    Of course there is. Every play has a progression. You have your first read, second read, etc.... It's a combination of the defense that they are playing, and the coverage.

    Anybody that looks at a pass play that isn't a screen of some kind can't blame all negative outcomes on the play call. Sure OC's make bad calls, but so do quarterbacks. The throw may have even been the appropriate play, and the defender just made a great play on the ball.

    Fichtner gets handed the keys to the car last year. The problem is that Bell held out the entire season, and AB was and is crazy. Neither guy is here, and he loses Ben early in the second game, and Rudolph shortly after that. To crush this guy under these circumstances is just silly. They put up a ton of points last year, even with all the nonsense and missing pieces. Let's get everyone healthy and give Fichtner more time to show us what he could do when his hands aren't tied behind his back.
    Will you quit with the logic already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    Of course there is. Every play has a progression. You have your first read, second read, etc.... It's a combination of the defense that they are playing, and the coverage.

    Anybody that looks at a pass play that isn't a screen of some kind can't blame all negative outcomes on the play call. Sure OC's make bad calls, but so do quarterbacks. The throw may have even been the appropriate play, and the defender just made a great play on the ball.

    Fichtner gets handed the keys to the car last year. The problem is that Bell held out the entire season, and AB was and is crazy. Neither guy is here, and he loses Ben early in the second game, and Rudolph shortly after that. To crush this guy under these circumstances is just silly. They put up a ton of points last year, even with all the nonsense and missing pieces. Let's get everyone healthy and give Fichtner more time to show us what he could do when his hands aren't tied behind his back.
    I think a lot of the blame on Fitchner is misdirected ... he has been here for basically a total gutting of the offense and replacement with new unproven players, so it is no wonder our performance is down. Plus, people have been bitching to no end about every offensive coordinator since Whisenhunt, so it is half background noise at this point.

    I think I am realizing today that - while it was a little unexpected to see such a conservative game plan on offense - the reality is that if we had run an ordinary game plan, we probably would have had three turnovers.

    Unlike many backups, Hodges CAN throw the ball, but if he does, we are taking a big gamble. As someone else said, he has some learning to do before he figures out what is a good throw in the NFL or not. A lot of backup QBs get scared by that and never recover. So Hodges' boldness is good in that it should allow him to get there. It just is not going to happen overnight, and as long as we are still trying to win games, going for broke will not help with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    I agree with the comments of PCZACH in that its a progression, so sure it is.

    Hodges scouting report from college shows his 26TD passes, with 14 INT's. Comments are that when he doesn't have his feet set, that throws can get away on him. I look at the underthrow to JuJu on what might have been planned as a back shoulder throw and there is some lack of accuracy/judgement at times. Its why he is projected as a guy that can develop into an NFL #2 QB. He did well, with a gameplan that was run heavy and careful passing. The defense and O line really stepped up on the road to support a guy that was the #4 QB.

    I was actually pleased to see some positive running from Snell, but he still doesn't show the balance at contact that I hoped he would. He is a between the tackles runner and IMO could run stronger, since he doesn't have any real quickness to his game.
    I think what Snell showed in college running against SEC defenses shows he has a lot more to his game than what we have seen so far. He’s a rookie. I have seen a few young players this season miss a play. Whether Snell running, Johnson pass catching, or Bush tackling. They are where they need to be mostly. Let them get some weight room time, conditioning experience, and pick their pace up to speed and IMO those guys will be very good to great NFL players.

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    Am I the only one who still thinks Snell looks slow? He did look like he started to get going but I feel that was more because of the o-line than anything Snell was doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    I think a lot of the blame on Fitchner is misdirected ... he has been here for basically a total gutting of the offense and replacement with new unproven players, so it is no wonder our performance is down. Plus, people have been bitching to no end about every offensive coordinator since Whisenhunt, so it is half background noise at this point.

    I think I am realizing today that - while it was a little unexpected to see such a conservative game plan on offense - the reality is that if we had run an ordinary game plan, we probably would have had three turnovers.

    Unlike many backups, Hodges CAN throw the ball, but if he does, we are taking a big gamble. As someone else said, he has some learning to do before he figures out what is a good throw in the NFL or not. A lot of backup QBs get scared by that and never recover. So Hodges' boldness is good in that it should allow him to get there. It just is not going to happen overnight, and as long as we are still trying to win games, going for broke will not help with that.

    Yep. I just don't think Fichtner has had anything close to a full arsenal to work with. When you are tailoring game plans to 3rd string undrafted rookie QBs, you deserve some leeway. The results aren't always going to be pretty.

    Hodges and Rudolph are developing. They aren't a finished product. All will be revealed in time.

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    What was up with Pouncey last night? Some of his snaps were beyond horrible. I give major props to Duck Hodges for being able to chase down the bad long snap and having the good sense to get rid of the ball out of bounds to save a HUGE loss of yardage. His performance was the single Goat performance of the game IMHO. Was he injured if so then at least I could understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Am I the only one who still thinks Snell looks slow? He did look like he started to get going but I feel that was more because of the o-line than anything Snell was doing?
    He gets better with more reps in a game but yea he is no Chris Johnson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butch View Post
    What was up with Pouncey last night? Some of his snaps were beyond horrible. I give major props to Duck Hodges for being able to chase down the bad long snap and having the good sense to get rid of the ball out of bounds to save a HUGE loss of yardage. His performance was the single Goat performance of the game IMHO. Was he injured if so then at least I could understand it.
    That was a smart play for a rookie in his first start on Prime time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    I think a lot of the blame on Fitchner is misdirected ... he has been here for basically a total gutting of the offense and replacement with new unproven players, so it is no wonder our performance is down. Plus, people have been bitching to no end about every offensive coordinator since Whisenhunt, so it is half background noise at this point.

    I think I am realizing today that - while it was a little unexpected to see such a conservative game plan on offense - the reality is that if we had run an ordinary game plan, we probably would have had three turnovers.

    Unlike many backups, Hodges CAN throw the ball, but if he does, we are taking a big gamble. As someone else said, he has some learning to do before he figures out what is a good throw in the NFL or not. A lot of backup QBs get scared by that and never recover. So Hodges' boldness is good in that it should allow him to get there. It just is not going to happen overnight, and as long as we are still trying to win games, going for broke will not help with that.
    This is dead on, I think. Well, except for Hodges'. It should be Hodges's.

    (And yeah, that rule changed back in the early 2000s for most style guides).


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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Am I the only one who still thinks Snell looks slow? He did look like he started to get going but I feel that was more because of the o-line than anything Snell was doing?
    Looks slow, he is. His 40 time was something like a 4.65 at the combine, which puts him in the Issac Redman category. I expected him to run hard between the tackles and be difficult to take down. Only seen glimpses of that.

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    I had only been to the stadium a handful of times before they vacated it, so I guess you know it better than I ... it seems like basically every old stadium develops plumbing issues at some point, and they used to just fix them, but now they use it as a bargaining chip for a brand new stadium superplex.

    I am probably in the minority here, but to me there is a certain appeal to being at a ballpark and not a curated Fan Experience. I've been to plenty of the new-style stadiums (the one in Arizona among them) and basically my impression is that they want everything including the parking lot to be Buffalo Wild Wings. Heinz Field actually strikes a pretty good balance with that, so that you can take it or leave it, but there is not much value in it to me.

    Of course, overhauling the old stadium for a tenth of the cost does not include any nine-figure land development deals, since there is apparently a ton of money to be made building crowded shopping centers where you can overpay for a loud and disappointing dinner and have a couple of $13 premium margaritas.

    I do not really view the city government of San Diego as anything more than incompetent shills who love grandstanding for some kind of invisible virtue-signaling points. Did you know they're spending $2 billion to recycle used toilet water into the drinking water? Done deal. I'm told it's for our own good.
    For game purists (for lack of a better word) I get your point. That said, how many people go to games for the actual game anymore? Really. I’d say at best it’s 15%.

    But, let’s assume that it is 100%. So, we just a re-vamp Jack Murphy. Well, that area would sit unused for 357 days a year. Whereas, just like how Petco Park turned a run-down portion of the city into a hub for entertainment (every single day of the week), I gotta day that having an area like that in Mission Valley would have been a GREAT thing.

    Alas, as you stated: our local/city government is awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    For game purists (for lack of a better word) I get your point. That said, how many people go to games for the actual game anymore? Really. I’d say at best it’s 15%.

    But, let’s assume that it is 100%. So, we just a re-vamp Jack Murphy. Well, that area would sit unused for 357 days a year. Whereas, just like how Petco Park turned a run-down portion of the city into a hub for entertainment (every single day of the week), I gotta day that having an area like that in Mission Valley would have been a GREAT thing.

    Alas, as you stated: our local/city government is awful.
    You are right, people are less and less into the game and more into all the other bullshit, which I don't really understand, but it's why I'm in the minority.

    For that matter, I still visit Las Vegas for the gambling and cheap drinks, whereas apparently the thing to do now is skip the casino, go to a nightclub and drop $1,500 a person on bottle service in the VIP area and post about it on Instagram, and then during the day you hang out next to the pool without going in the pool. Jesus Christ, I sound like a cranky old man, but I'm not even that old. Millennials are idiots.

    Anyway, the point is, I guess I get what they're trying to do, but it's not that exciting to me. I don't really think Petco Park is that special, although I can't say what the area around it was like before. Reminds me a lot of the area around AT&T Park, if that's still what they call the place where the SF Giants play. Formerly a crappy neighborhood, today still a crappy neighborhood but with restaurants and bars, and just enough of that element that makes you wonder if the next person you walk past might decide to randomly mug you. Oh yeah, and no real place to park, which means NO TAILGATING. Unless by tailgating you mean hanging out with the 650 people packed elbow-to-elbow into Bro-ski's Brewhouse, desperately trying to flag down someone to get your one $12 beer. What the hell is even the point of having ONE beer? But that's all you're going to get with how crowded it is. But hey, the waitresses are all wearing home team jerseys, so it's fun! I guess that's the tailgating equivalent of $1,500 bottle service in the VIP area, but it's all that's left since they took the other kind away. Thanks, Millennials. GOD, I sound like a grouch.

    I remember reading somewhere that the average stadium hosts an incredible number of events, something like 150-200 days a year. That was when combined baseball-football stadiums were more common, but football is only like 10 of those counting preseason. I don't know what the other 100 events were other than concerts and monster trucks, maybe stuff like flea markets and gun shows or something. It's not the same type of thing to do as the little downtown stadium promenade bullshit, but hey, I don't really go down there for that either, so who cares. Not me, that's who.

    SUMMATION: Now there's no football team in San Diego because of millennial nightclub bullshit.
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    Re: Heroes/Goats vs LA

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    You are right, people are less and less into the game and more into all the other bullshit, which I don't really understand, but it's why I'm in the minority.
    Agreed - I simply do not get laying out $$$ for high priced tickets to a NFL game and then not actually watching the game on the field - but I am old

    I posted this in another thread, but when I was at the Seattle game last month there was a group of what appeared to be 20s/early 30s age fans seated near me who spent most of the third quarter in the concessions/lounge area for club level rather than watching the game from what was a good view of the field.

    It was not a matter of taking that long to get to the rest room and get something to drink for the second half (after going to Heinz a few times I figured out that is an explanation for a lot of the empty yellow seats for the second half kickoff you see on TV) since they were ahead of me in the line at the bar when I bought a beer for the second half and got back to my seat for kickoff

    Those are dream customers for the team - buy the tickets then spend lots of $$ on drinks with marked up prices

    That is one hell of a cover charge to go to a sports bar

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