What I would Do to Change Things

[Mojouw]

So, trying to be constructive here. I realize I just opened the door to the "Fire Everyone" chorus. Whatever.

1. Work the Dolphins hard for Fitzpatrick and get them to throw in Davante Parker. I am not even sure that Minkah is that good, but I know that Kelly and Davis are NOT. Parker has been a massive disappointment his entire career, but he would be the Steelers most physically intriguing wideout. I would be willing to give up the following package of misfit toys that I do not suspect the Dolphins would actually want, but maybe convince them that it helps them lose:

• Round 2 pick
• Sean Davis
• Dante Moncrief
• Banner or Chuks

2. Cut Switzer. He offers nothing to dictate anything to an NFL defense. Sign Rogers or some other FA scrap-heap WR. Repeat that process until you find someone who can actually get open at an NFL level.

3. Diontae Johnson gets force-fed the ball starting now. Rookie and raw -- do not care at all. If he can actually bleed defenses a bit out of the slot, then maybe (just maybe) Juju gets a bit more open.

4. See what happens when you play-action? Really cool things. That happens several times a series from this point forward. I would run more play-action than any team in the league.

5. I was SUPER WRONG about Chickillo. I thought he would be an assignment sound and stable rotational guy. He goes to the bench immediately and gets stapled there. I play Alphabet Soup and live with any mistakes. It can't get worse. Two weeks in a row now that Chickillo's inability to play basic NFL defense has directly led to a touchdown.

6. I seriously consider playing Haden at FS and either Sutton or Burns on the outside. Live with that crap-fest to MAYBE get a playmaker in the middle of the field.

[tube517]

I'd like to see more touches for Samuels

[NCSteeler]

Sounds like a good start. Cut moncrief, his stone hands led to 2 TOs in 2 weeks bye. He has a career of dropped balls

Time to push butler out and let someone else attempt to call this defense.

Don't play Ben u til he's 110 percent healed.

Things couldn't get a while lot worse.

Start to identify the top five pick we are about to receive

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[Steeldude]

You can obtain any players you want, but it won't change anything with Tomlin as the HC.

You will just have to ride out this season. It's going to be a long season.

[st33lersguy]

Tomlin, Butler, Fichtner all need to go. Assess all position coaches as well. I also legitimately think Kevin Colbert needs to be given a serious assessment. The personnel they have added over the past 5 years or so isn't getting the job done for the most part

[steelreserve]

I'd like to see more touches for Samuels

I think Samuels is a little like Switzer, less effective the more you try to use him. But still good for far more plays a game. Switzer is just a return man and misdirection-play specialist, he brings nothing of value as an ordinary wideout. We have no need for that and less than no need for Moncrief.

I like the idea of bringing back Rogers and trying to acquire a safety. Although I would rather keep Haden at CB (I thought we were toying wirh moving Sutton to safety?) There is enough hope for Nelson that he and Haden could at least make a serviceable CB combo, if Nelson really just needs more time to adjust.

I knew Bush was not huge, but I was not aware he was an actual midget. We are still going to have a problem covering the tight end unless we are in a base nickel or Barron amounts to something, in either case leaving little room for Vince Williams to get on the field.

I would at least consider giving Rudolph the start next week to see what he can do.

I think our personnel problems are more than can be fixed in the middle of the season. Best case, we add one competent guy in the secondary, and our hoping that some of the new guys improve once they've had a few games turns out to be true. More likely, we are just reaping the results of poor defensive draft picks, and it is just going to suck.

[NCSteeler]

We have to clean house with whoever is doing the drafting. Cannot keep wasting high picks and having them end up not contributing up to thier draft status. Or at all.


I guess it could be whoever is coaching them up and preparing them

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[HollywoodSteel]

Tomlin, Butler, Fichtner all need to go. Assess all position coaches as well. I also legitimately think Kevin Colbert needs to be given a serious assessment. The personnel they have added over the past 5 years or so isn't getting the job done for the most part

Well, only half of this makes sense. Either the coaches are underperforming with talent that could win in the hands of superior coaches, or the coaches don’t have good enough talent to work with.

I suppose it’s possible that the coaches suck AND the players suck to the point where you have to get rid of coaches and GM, but I’m not sure how you’d be able to determine that all at the same time.

[Hawkman]

So, trying to be constructive here. I realize I just opened the door to the "Fire Everyone" chorus. Whatever.

1. Work the Dolphins hard for Fitzpatrick and get them to throw in Davante Parker. I am not even sure that Minkah is that good, but I know that Kelly and Davis are NOT. Parker has been a massive disappointment his entire career, but he would be the Steelers most physically intriguing wideout. I would be willing to give up the following package of misfit toys that I do not suspect the Dolphins would actually want, but maybe convince them that it helps them lose:

• Round 2 pick
• Sean Davis
• Dante Moncrief
• Banner or Chuks

2. Cut Switzer. He offers nothing to dictate anything to an NFL defense. Sign Rogers or some other FA scrap-heap WR. Repeat that process until you find someone who can actually get open at an NFL level.

3. Diontae Johnson gets force-fed the ball starting now. Rookie and raw -- do not care at all. If he can actually bleed defenses a bit out of the slot, then maybe (just maybe) Juju gets a bit more open.

4. See what happens when you play-action? Really cool things. That happens several times a series from this point forward. I would run more play-action than any team in the league.

5. I was SUPER WRONG about Chickillo. I thought he would be an assignment sound and stable rotational guy. He goes to the bench immediately and gets stapled there. I play Alphabet Soup and live with any mistakes. It can't get worse. Two weeks in a row now that Chickillo's inability to play basic NFL defense has directly led to a touchdown.

6. I seriously consider playing Haden at FS and either Sutton or Burns on the outside. Live with that crap-fest to MAYBE get a playmaker in the middle of the field.

Why do you even try?

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We have to clean house with whoever is doing the drafting. Cannot keep wasting high picks and having them end up not contributing up to thier draft status. Or at all.


I guess it could be whoever is coaching them up and preparing them

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Yeah because Watt, Tuitt, JuJu, Shazier, Conner, .et/all......they all suck......get a grip, or stop posting crap.

[stillers4me]

You can obtain any players you want, but it won't change anything with Tomlin as the HC.

You will just have to ride out this season. It's going to be a long season.

Right . On. Cue.

[Edman]

I realize I just opened the door to the "Fire Everyone" chorus. Whatever.

The time to make any changes was back in January when the 2018 Season was a smoldering ruin.

We can can make player transactions and cut and sign this guy and promote this dude, but it doesn't make a difference when the foundation is a mess. We got rid of the "locker room cancer" but was also lost the talent, which covered up for the Steelers' most glaring deficiencies and a problem that has been there for a while: Horrible coaching. Keith Butler is awful and should've been gone after he was embarrassed by Blake Bortles, we kept him a whole two more years, and we have the nerve to be surprised that the Defense is still garbage and still has the same issues. Still can't communicate. Still can't cover the TE. Can't stop the swing pass out of the backfield.

It may be a broken record and a cliche, but the Tomlin regime needs to end if this team is to have any hope of competing in the future.

This season is turning out to be the washout I predicted it to be. Going 9-6-1 last season was the second worst thing that could've happened. It sent a signal that nothing was going to change to stop the disaster coming around the bend. We're experiencing the disaster now.

Anyway, what I would do is just stick with Rudolph these next few weeks, send Moncrief out of town and bring back Eli Rogers. It's the most I can come up with right now.

[NCSteeler]

Why do you even try?

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Yeah because Watt, Tuitt, JuJu, Shazier, Conner, .et/all......they all suck......get a grip, or stop posting crap.

Oh wow there like 4 guys that are pretty good . We have waited pick after pick on guys that didn't even make the team let alone contribute down the road.

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[Fire Goodell]

Start the youth movement, our sb window is officially closed. Then fire Tomlin and Butler after the season

[Born2Steel]

So, trying to be constructive here. I realize I just opened the door to the "Fire Everyone" chorus. Whatever.

1. Work the Dolphins hard for Fitzpatrick and get them to throw in Davante Parker. I am not even sure that Minkah is that good, but I know that Kelly and Davis are NOT. Parker has been a massive disappointment his entire career, but he would be the Steelers most physically intriguing wideout. I would be willing to give up the following package of misfit toys that I do not suspect the Dolphins would actually want, but maybe convince them that it helps them lose:

• Round 2 pick
• Sean Davis
• Dante Moncrief
• Banner or Chuks

2. Cut Switzer. He offers nothing to dictate anything to an NFL defense. Sign Rogers or some other FA scrap-heap WR. Repeat that process until you find someone who can actually get open at an NFL level.

3. Diontae Johnson gets force-fed the ball starting now. Rookie and raw -- do not care at all. If he can actually bleed defenses a bit out of the slot, then maybe (just maybe) Juju gets a bit more open.

4. See what happens when you play-action? Really cool things. That happens several times a series from this point forward. I would run more play-action than any team in the league.

5. I was SUPER WRONG about Chickillo. I thought he would be an assignment sound and stable rotational guy. He goes to the bench immediately and gets stapled there. I play Alphabet Soup and live with any mistakes. It can't get worse. Two weeks in a row now that Chickillo's inability to play basic NFL defense has directly led to a touchdown.

6. I seriously consider playing Haden at FS and either Sutton or Burns on the outside. Live with that crap-fest to MAYBE get a playmaker in the middle of the field.

I'll try to stay on your points here. As most I am disappointed by the game but not nearly as discouraged by it.

1. I read that Minkah wants to play the Nickel/Slot role only. I don't think that helps us a bit on this defense. Plus aren't we looking for those 'team first' guys?

2&3. Switzer is only here for ST and a safety valve for Ben. Unfortunately neither option is worth the roster spot he now holds. I would just release him and bring up Tevin Jones from the PS. Also release Moncreif and promote Griffey. With a WR corps of that size, speed, and hunger I would justify it, so what if they have limited experience in games.

4. Play action works.

5. Who would have thought it would be important for an OLB to be able to set an edge? If Penny gets turned back inside(or Chick actually makes the tackle) that play does not go for a score.

6. I just don't know. On the Metcalf TD that was a pretty perfect pass I don't know if anyone could have defended it better. Safety play has been terrible all the way though. Our secondary has me perplexed as to why it's still so bad. Is it really communication or simply players don't know their role/assignment based on offensive formation? The front 7 don't seem to have the same issues although there are different issues. It almost seems that they are all playing a zone and when a receiver enters their zone they change to trail man. IDK???

[Mojouw]

I'll try to stay on your points here. As most I am disappointed by the game but not nearly as discouraged by it.

1. I read that Minkah wants to play the Nickel/Slot role only. I don't think that helps us a bit on this defense. Plus aren't we looking for those 'team first' guys?

2&3. Switzer is only here for ST and a safety valve for Ben. Unfortunately neither option is worth the roster spot he now holds. I would just release him and bring up Tevin Jones from the PS. Also release Moncreif and promote Griffey. With a WR corps of that size, speed, and hunger I would justify it, so what if they have limited experience in games.

4. Play action works.

5. Who would have thought it would be important for an OLB to be able to set an edge? If Penny gets turned back inside(or Chick actually makes the tackle) that play does not go for a score.

6. I just don't know. On the Metcalf TD that was a pretty perfect pass I don't know if anyone could have defended it better. Safety play has been terrible all the way though. Our secondary has me perplexed as to why it's still so bad. Is it really communication or simply players don't know their role/assignment based on offensive formation? The front 7 don't seem to have the same issues although there are different issues. It almost seems that they are all playing a zone and when a receiver enters their zone they change to trail man. IDK???

I actually don't know alot about Minkah Fitzpatrick. I just assumed that if he got drafted top 12, he was/is an impact player. But Jabril Peppers went high...so there is that. Bottom line, I'm looking for playmakers on the backend of the defense, because right now there isn't one.

I would have no problem with your WR proposals. In fact, I would start holding weekly work-outs. Take a gander at guys like Laquon Treadwell, Kevin White, or whoever I can find under about 25-27 who once had promise on a football field and see if they still have anything worth taking a flier on.

Chickillo just went from reliable but unexciting average defender to washed up and useless in one off-season. Fairly inexplicable.

Play action and pre-snap motion. Do it ALL THE TIME!

Agreed on the Metcalf TD. Edmunds ran with him well and even got a hand on the ball. But the safeties just look late on almost every assignment and the "blown" coverages ALL have involved a safety. Either these guys are not able to do what is being asked of them, or the plan is just so basic that NFL offenses are eating it alive. No idea, but until they close down at least a few plays between the hashes, teams are just gonna go through this defense like a hot knife through butter.

[86WARD]

So, trying to be constructive here. I realize I just opened the door to the "Fire Everyone" chorus. Whatever.

1. Work the Dolphins hard for Fitzpatrick and get them to throw in Davante Parker. I am not even sure that Minkah is that good, but I know that Kelly and Davis are NOT. Parker has been a massive disappointment his entire career, but he would be the Steelers most physically intriguing wideout. I would be willing to give up the following package of misfit toys that I do not suspect the Dolphins would actually want, but maybe convince them that it helps them lose:

• Round 2 pick
• Sean Davis
• Dante Moncrief
• Banner or Chuks

2. Cut Switzer. He offers nothing to dictate anything to an NFL defense. Sign Rogers or some other FA scrap-heap WR. Repeat that process until you find someone who can actually get open at an NFL level.

3. Diontae Johnson gets force-fed the ball starting now. Rookie and raw -- do not care at all. If he can actually bleed defenses a bit out of the slot, then maybe (just maybe) Juju gets a bit more open.

4. See what happens when you play-action? Really cool things. That happens several times a series from this point forward. I would run more play-action than any team in the league.

5. I was SUPER WRONG about Chickillo. I thought he would be an assignment sound and stable rotational guy. He goes to the bench immediately and gets stapled there. I play Alphabet Soup and live with any mistakes. It can't get worse. Two weeks in a row now that Chickillo's inability to play basic NFL defense has directly led to a touchdown.

6. I seriously consider playing Haden at FS and either Sutton or Burns on the outside. Live with that crap-fest to MAYBE get a playmaker in the middle of the field.

Agree with most of what you say but Fitzpatrick doesn’t help the Davis/Kelly deal b/c he wants to be a nickel...unless you can get Hilton to move and knock Kelly off the roster...wouldn’t mind Parker but he’s a huge underachiever...feel like if they did trade for those two it would just wind up being a disaster. But I would do the deal...

Rogers isn’t going to help that unit...I’m not sure if anything will. It seems like the offense just doesn’t set up to get the routes open...but wouldn’t be opposed to trying that either.

I think Ben is a big problem with the play action...I don’t think he likes being under center...but yeah...we’ve been calling for that for years.

Chickillo is trash. He shouldve been cut long ago. Another botched move in the roster management category.

I like that idea but I don’t think they have anyone that can cover outside.

[Born2Steel]

I actually don't know alot about Minkah Fitzpatrick. I just assumed that if he got drafted top 12, he was/is an impact player. But Jabril Peppers went high...so there is that. Bottom line, I'm looking for playmakers on the backend of the defense, because right now there isn't one.

I would have no problem with your WR proposals. In fact, I would start holding weekly work-outs. Take a gander at guys like Laquon Treadwell, Kevin White, or whoever I can find under about 25-27 who once had promise on a football field and see if they still have anything worth taking a flier on.

Chickillo just went from reliable but unexciting average defender to washed up and useless in one off-season. Fairly inexplicable.

Play action and pre-snap motion. Do it ALL THE TIME!

Agreed on the Metcalf TD. Edmunds ran with him well and even got a hand on the ball. But the safeties just look late on almost every assignment and the "blown" coverages ALL have involved a safety. Either these guys are not able to do what is being asked of them, or the plan is just so basic that NFL offenses are eating it alive. No idea, but until they close down at least a few plays between the hashes, teams are just gonna go through this defense like a hot knife through butter.

The worst part of the secondary issues is it's ALL of them. How do you fix that? Does bringing in another safety fix anything or only make the whole situation even more confusing? FS has keys he looks for when the offense lines up. That should not interfere or confuse the keys that the SS is looking at presnap. So why are they getting confused? AND why is a boundary safety running out to the flat to cover a RB on a possible screen leaving VW/Bush/Barron to cover a crossing WR? None of these things make sense from a defensive alignment/scheme POV.

[Mojouw]

The worst part of the secondary issues is it's ALL of them. How do you fix that? Does bringing in another safety fix anything or only make the whole situation even more confusing? FS has keys he looks for when the offense lines up. That should not interfere or confuse the keys that the SS is looking at presnap. So why are they getting confused? AND why is a boundary safety running out to the flat to cover a RB on a possible screen leaving VW/Bush/Barron to cover a crossing WR? None of these things make sense from a defensive alignment/scheme POV.

It does not. My current theory is that in the interest of "disguise" they are getting too cute by half. Maybe concentrate on getting the basics to work before you try and clever with it.

[Born2Steel]

It does not. My current theory is that in the interest of "disguise" they are getting too cute by half. Maybe concentrate on getting the basics to work before you try and clever with it.

That could be all there is to it. Coaches simply out-coaching themselves/the players. I really don't know but at least that would be the easiest problem to fix.

[cubanstogie]

The offense looked very good in second half. Conner had a couple of better runs and Samuels and Vance looked really good. Moncrief , safeties and chickillo screwed the pooch. Minkah would be much better at safety than anyone we have. I would cut Moncrief tomorrow, tryout treadwell, Dez Bryant bring Rogers back or give Holton a shot. Any of those better than giving moncrief more time in Steelers uniform. Shit I’d bring back DHB over Moncrief.

[Steeldude]

Right . On. Cue.

Oh I mean, everything is great. Tomlin is the greatest coach in NFL history. The only reason the Steelers lost is because of the refs. The Patriots and Seahawks both cheated. This team will now go 14-2

[Hawkman]

Oh I mean, everything is great. Tomlin is the greatest coach in NFL history. The only reason the Steelers lost is because of the refs. The Patriots and Seahawks both cheated. This team will now go 14-2

Just full of quality contributions, aren’t you?

[Rotorhead]

It isn’t the players, it is the scheme. There are issues with a few players, but a good scheme can fix that. Our scheme never seems to put our best players in a position to make an impact.

[Mojouw]

I dunno about all the scheme sucks stuff. They don’t even play a zone blitz anymore for the most part. Rarely in base.

I mean the Broncos lost because the Broncos left the middle of the field WIDE open for Trubisky to hit a guy deep. That’s with Fangio and better players than the Steelers.

I don’t think any team is consistently taking the middle of the field away from even a halfway competent offense. But you can limit the bleeding which Steelers are not doing.

[DesertSteel]

What I’d do is fire the coaching staff. Under the worst circumstance, if they go 0-4, I’d blow it up.

[Hawkman]

What I’d do is fire the coaching staff. Under the worst circumstance, if they go 0-4, I’d blow it up.

.......and you would replace them with who? Names? Starting with the DLine coach. How about the conditioning coach?

[Rotorhead]

I would get Rogers or possible Dez and drop Moncrief. I would start giving Dupree less PT and working in someone else that isn’t a moron and can get some pressure when all the double teams are on TJ. I would find a FB for short yardage situations. I would use Washington across the middle of the field more often.

On Def, I would bump the WRs to knock them off their timing and blitz a lot more. I would work on setting the edge to funnel the running game inside to the best part of our defense. I would watch some tape and figure out the best part of the opposing offense (whether it is a player or certain group of plays) and develop a plan to stop that.

That is just the painfully obvious stuff. The simple stuff that can be done now. After this season I would hire the best coaching prospect out there, and I would do it as early as possible. If that means Ben retires, so be it. I would look for a coach that has some fire or a coach that is innovative.

[DesertSteel]

.......and you would replace them with who? Names? Starting with the DLine coach. How about the conditioning coach?

I’m going with the Assistant to the Traveling Secretary.

[Mojouw]

I would get Rogers or possible Dez and drop Moncrief. I would start giving Dupree less PT and working in someone else that isn’t a moron and can get some pressure when all the double teams are on TJ. I would find a FB for short yardage situations. I would use Washington across the middle of the field more often.

On Def, I would bump the WRs to knock them off their timing and blitz a lot more. I would work on setting the edge to funnel the running game inside to the best part of our defense. I would watch some tape and figure out the best part of the opposing offense (whether it is a player or certain group of plays) and develop a plan to stop that.

That is just the painfully obvious stuff. The simple stuff that can be done now. After this season I would hire the best coaching prospect out there, and I would do it as early as possible. If that means Ben retires, so be it. I would look for a coach that has some fire or a coach that is innovative.

That's a pretty solid list. I do think the scheme/plan often puts guys in the proper positions and then they fail anyways. Chick and Edmunds were both in position to make touchdown saving plays. And they simply didn't. Moncrief was open and shat the bed.

It's hard to see those and just ignore it. But the consistent inability to shut off big chunk plays down the seam is simply maddening at this point.

[steelreserve]

.......and you would replace them with who? Names? Starting with the DLine coach. How about the conditioning coach?

Chuck Norris, easy ...