Top 25 quarterbacks of all time(Ben is number 19,Bradshaw is 17th)

[polamalubeast]

He also put Russell Wilson between Bradshaw and Ben...


19) Ben Roethlisberger
Pittsburgh Steelers, 2004-present

Maybe the most difficult guy on this list to rate. Roethlisberger has, at times, played brilliantly. He led the NFL in passing yards in 2018 (5,129), his 15th season. He posted a passer rating of 98.1 and went 14-1 as a starter during his first season (including the playoffs). He's won two Super Bowls, and started a third. On those merits alone, he should probably go higher than 19th here. Then again, has Roethlisberger ever been the best or second-best player at his position? Another question: How often has he been at the center of a distraction to the team? Roethlisberger is a Hall of Famer right now. How high he climbs on the list of all-time great quarterbacks might depend on the next couple of seasons.

Stat you need to know: While Roethlisberger's career is marked by two Super Bowl wins, it's his productivity since his last title that sticks out. Roethlisberger has averaged 290.3 passing yards per game since turning 30, the second-highest average in NFL history to only Drew Brees.


17) Terry Bradshaw
Pittsburgh Steelers, 1970-1983


There are those, particularly the aforementioned NFL Research guru Jack Andrade (who I've done many a historical-research deep-dive with), who think Bradshaw was an average NFL quarterback. If you consider the body of his regular season career alone, you wouldn't be as far off the mark as many of Bradshaw's passes were from 1970-1974. Yet, from 1977 until 1982, he was quite effective, shrugging off injuries and a coach who was not the easiest for QBs to play for in Chuck Noll. So why is Bradshaw here? Because when it came to big games, particularly the Super Bowl, he was often masterful (more on this below). His heave to Lynn Swann in Super Bowl X might be the greatest throw in Super Bowl history. His second-half work in Super Bowl XIII and XIV put him in Canton. It's one thing to be above average and win a Super Bowl or two. To win four rings, and play at a high level in those title contests, is a whole nother ballgame.

Stat you need to know: While Bradshaw has been maligned by some for his regular season stats (a general misunderstanding of what NFL offenses were like in the 1970s might be a culprit there), there's no questioning the man's Super Bowl efficiency. Of the 29 QBs who've attempted at least 40 passes in the Super Bowl, Bradshaw is No. 1 in yards per attempt with 11.1 (no one else is over 10). Similarly, Bradshaw produced a gaudy 10.7 touchdown percentage. What does that mean? That 10.7 percent of his passes went for TDs. Don't give me any of this but the Pittsburgh defense gave him the ball at the one crap. Most of his TD throws were vertical.



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[st33lersguy]

This list is pretty bad. Russell Wilson at 18 and ahead of Ben and some HOF QBs is a total joke. Then there is Bradshaw who is too low and ranked behind QBs he should be ahead of. Why is Aikman ahead of Bradshaw? Neither were more known for Super Bowl wins than putting up stats and Bradshaw has more Super Bowl wins and Super Bowl MVPs yet Aikman is higher why? Staubach 9 spots ahead? Another joke. Bradshaw has 2 more Super Bowls and upstaged Staubach in the biggest game twice. And before you say, Bradshaw had a loaded supporting cast, Staubach did too, he had a dominant defense, talent at skill positions, and HOF coach as well (not as many HOF players, but still great supporting cast too). Staubach is not a top 10 QB of all-time either. Aaron Rodgers should be higher than 10. Think it is easy winning multiple Super Bowls with subpar defenses and Mike McCarthy as your head coach? At least he did the courtesy of ranking Brees highly, that guy doesn't usually get the credit he deserves

[hawaiiansteeler]

This list is pretty bad.

agreed, therefore the author of this list Elliot Harrison is obviously an imbecile who never received enough love as a child and as a result grew up doing drugs and becoming a Baltimore Ravens fan.

[st33lersguy]

agreed, therefore the author of this list Elliot Harrison is obviously an imbecile who never received enough love as a child and as a result grew up doing drugs and becoming a Baltimore Ravens fan.

Or a Cowgirls homer

[Hawkman]

WOW! Where did Elliot Harrison find the time. Taking Ben and Bradshaw out of the equation, there are so many QBs that I would rank......differently. No qualifier......Best, greatest, best passer, winningest, best scrambler, meanest, ugliest? So open ended, that he can say anything. As a QB, I would say Marino was better than Brady. Each of his ratings are judged by different standards. No consistency.......but hey......it is the off season......not much longer.

[Butch]

This is why I don't ever read lists or put any stock in the power rankings. Even if they are based on any kind of fact they are completely subjective to the writers bias's. If you read them for entertainment then I get that, but don't put any faith in what is being said good or bad.

[86WARD]

Now that’s an “off-season” list if I’ve ever seen one...lol

[tube517]

Eliot Harrison. Didn't read.

Got into a Twitter "fight" w/him. He left Lambert and Blount off of his 70s "greatest players" list.

Dude is a tool.

[polamalubeast]

I have no problem with Roethlisberger's ranking ... a bit for the Bradshaw ranking, but Russell Wilson in this list is ridiculous

Maybe later in his career, he'll be, but right now, I do not think he'd be in the HOF if he'd take his retirement now ....Wilson could be a lock in the HOF later in his career, but not right now.

For a career, Philips Rivers who is not in his list would be higher than Wilson for me right now.

[86WARD]

For a career, Philips Rivers who is not in his list would be higher than Wilson for me right now.

Agree.

Is Eli Manning on the list?

[polamalubeast]

Agree.

Is Eli Manning on the list?

No

[steelreserve]

Brady being in the top 10 is a bit of a stretch ...

[Six Rings]

19) Ben Roethlisberger

Pittsburgh Steelers, 2004-present
Maybe the most difficult guy on this list to rate. Roethlisberger has, at times, played brilliantly. He led the NFL in passing yards in 2018 (5,129), his 15th season. He posted a passer rating of 98.1 and went 14-1 as a starter during his first season (including the playoffs). He's won two Super Bowls, and started a third. On those merits alone, he should probably go higher than 19th here. Then again, has Roethlisberger ever been the best or second-best player at his position? Another question: How often has he been at the center of a distraction to the team? Roethlisberger is a Hall of Famer right now. How high he climbs on the list of all-time great quarterbacks might depend on the next couple of seasons.
Stat you need to know: While Roethlisberger's career is marked by two Super Bowl wins, it's his productivity since his last title that sticks out. Roethlisberger has averaged 290.3 passing yards per game since turning 30, the second-highest average in NFL history to only Drew Brees.
18) Russell Wilson

Seattle Seahawks, 2012-present
Wilson hasn't put in nearly as much time as the other players that are listed here among the league's pantheon of all-time quarterbacks. That's OK, because his first seven seasons as a starter rate just as well as that of almost any QB in league history. Forget that he's already started two Super Bowls, and only missed the postseason once. Wilson has proven over the last four seasons that, as the team around him has decayed and lost many a key part, that he can carry his squad to victory. Sure, early during his career, Wilson could trot out there and say, "We score 17 points today we might win." Now, the entire Seattle fan base looks to him to pull a rabbit out of a hat when a game looks like a lost cause. He's the most effective player in the NFL, by far, at knowing when to use his legs and when to throw the ball away. His career passer rating is over 100. Career passer rating. Most importantly, he's clutch, even when the chips are way down. Remember the 2015 Divisional Round game in Carolina, when the Seahawks were down four scores and nearly came back to tie it up? I do.


>>> It seems like the bone head writer is penalizing Ben for playing at the same time as Brady and Brees, but doesn't mention the same standard for Wilson.

Ben is in the top ten of all time among NFL quarterbacks


He's 6th all time in passing
He's 7th all time in touchdown passes
He's tied for 6th all time in 4th quarter comebacks and can move to 4th this season.
He's 11 all time in qb rating
He's 6th all time in total wins, and will move to 5 this season.
He's 2nd all time in winning percentage
Only three QB's have won more super bowls.
He's one of the few QB's to have beaten every team ( except for his own )

[Rotorhead]

19) Ben Roethlisberger

Ben is in the top ten of all time among NFL quarterbacks


He's 6th all time in passing
He's 7th all time in touchdown passes
He's tied for 6th all time in 4th quarter comebacks and can move to 4th this season.
He's 11 all time in qb rating
He's 6th all time in total wins, and will move to 5 this season.
He's 2nd all time in winning percentage
Only three QB's have won more super bowls.
He's one of the few QB's to have beaten every team ( except for his own )

Hey now, let’s not let facts and numbers get in the way of “real stories” now.

[Fire Goodell]

Hey now, let’s not let facts and numbers get in the way of “real stories” now.

Not to mention any other QB (well other than brett favre and john elway) would have been killed behind that trainwreck of an o-line he had in the middle of his career. Pair that with having to play the Ravens twice a year during his whole career. Ben is a special QB that I don't think we'll see much of, if at all. Sad thing is I'm not sure people will realize how great he is until he retires.

[st33lersguy]

I do think 19 is a good place for him and that is around where I would have him (of course ahead of Wilson). With all the other great QBs that have played, putting him into the top 15 would be a stretch and putting him into the top 10 is really pushing it. But yeah, to say he is not a top 20 QB in NFL history and a future HOF QB would be nothing more than pure Ben/steeler hatred that can't be supported by facts. He's played with god awful O-lines, he went without a franchise RB from the time Willie Parker tore up his knee to the time Le'Veon broke out, and he has placed with subpar defenses for the majority of this decade.

[Steeldude]

Russell Wilson at 18?

[SteelersNorth]

This list is pretty bad. Russell Wilson at 18 and ahead of Ben and some HOF QBs is a total joke. Then there is Bradshaw who is too low and ranked behind QBs he should be ahead of. Why is Aikman ahead of Bradshaw? Neither were more known for Super Bowl wins than putting up stats and Bradshaw has more Super Bowl wins and Super Bowl MVPs yet Aikman is higher why? Staubach 9 spots ahead? Another joke. Bradshaw has 2 more Super Bowls and upstaged Staubach in the biggest game twice. And before you say, Bradshaw had a loaded supporting cast, Staubach did too, he had a dominant defense, talent at skill positions, and HOF coach as well (not as many HOF players, but still great supporting cast too). Staubach is not a top 10 QB of all-time either. Aaron Rodgers should be higher than 10. Think it is easy winning multiple Super Bowls with subpar defenses and Mike McCarthy as your head coach? At least he did the courtesy of ranking Brees highly, that guy doesn't usually get the credit he deserves

Rodgers is the most overrated QB in NFL history. Multiple Super Bowls WTF! IF you've read just the preseason prediction magazines then yeah he's won it for the last 8 seasons probably but thank GOD they play the games
He's had a fantastic defense and failed miserably with it. notably in the 2014 NFC title game against Seattle where HIS defense gifted him 5 turnovers and a 16-0 halftime lead.
He's waaaaaayyyyyyy to high to be 10th already.
There's a myraid of reasons I'd put Ben ahead of Rodgers too mainly because Ben is more clutch and can will his team to a win.
Especially with those game winning drives where Ben has 42 6th all time Rodgers 20 in 53rd spot
and of course 4th quarter comebacks where you're down entering that quarter and you pull it out (that's what she said)
Ben with 31 6th all time
Rodgers 14 75th all time
Ben for the WIN!

[teegre]

On my very subjective list, Ben & Bradshaw are my #2 and #3.

(Dan Marino is still, and always will be, my #1.)

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Russell Wilson at 18?

Its an opinion from a guy that was a content editor and research analyst for the NFL network approx. 10 years ago, and now has a regular spot on the network.

Not sure why anybody here is getting upset by an opinion of a journalist that may not have watched football prior to 2009.

[tom444]

Obviously, it's going to be hard to find a list that will satisfy most people. You might as well use Teegre's method and pick the QBs you liked/enjoyed watching the most for whatever reason.

However, this smaller list is pretty good.

Sports Illustrated

Top 10

Panelists:
Don Banks
Greg A. Bedard
Greg Bishop
Chris Burke
Mark Godich
Tim Layden
Peter King


No. 1. Tom Brady
No. 2. Joe Montanna
No. 3: Peyton Manning
No. 4. Johnny Unitas
No. 5. Otto Graham
No. 6. John Elway
No. 7. Dan Marino
No. 8. Brett Favre
No. 9. Sammy Baugh
No. 10. Bart Starr

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/27/nf...ana-john-elway

[st33lersguy]

Rodgers is the most overrated QB in NFL history. Multiple Super Bowls WTF! IF you've read just the preseason prediction magazines then yeah he's won it for the last 8 seasons probably but thank GOD they play the games
He's had a fantastic defense and failed miserably with it. notably in the 2014 NFC title game against Seattle where HIS defense gifted him 5 turnovers and a 16-0 halftime lead.
He's waaaaaayyyyyyy to high to be 10th already.
There's a myraid of reasons I'd put Ben ahead of Rodgers too mainly because Ben is more clutch and can will his team to a win.
Especially with those game winning drives where Ben has 42 6th all time Rodgers 20 in 53rd spot
and of course 4th quarter comebacks where you're down entering that quarter and you pull it out (that's what she said)
Ben with 31 6th all time
Rodgers 14 75th all time
Ben for the WIN!

Rodgers defenses have been average at best, utter trash at worst for most of his career. The last 8 years, the defense has never been in the top 10 and placed higher than 15th once. And they've crumbled in the playoffs. The Packers defense surrendered an average of 36.3 points per game in all his playoff losses, compare that to the Pack offense which scored an average of 25.6 points per game in those playoff losses. The Packers defense almost single-handedly helped Colin Kaepernick get his payday a few years back. With Rodgers, the Packers once went 15-1 with the 32nd ranked defense in the league. Then there is the fact that Rodgers has been saddled with Mike McCarthy as head coach his entire career and is probably the only reason McCarthy lasted as long as he did. Over a 4:1 TD:INT ratio (338 TDs to only 80 INTs), (next closest comes in at slightly over a 3:1 TD:INT ratio), surpassed 300 TDs and moved into top 10 all time in TD passes in roughly 9 seasons as a starting QB. Also all-time leader in QB rating. You think he may be too high, but I think he is too low at 10

[DesertSteel]

Obviously, it's going to be hard to find a list that will satisfy most people. You might as well use Teegre's method and pick the QBs you liked/enjoyed watching the most for whatever reason.

However, this smaller list is pretty good.

Sports Illustrated

Top 10

Panelists:
Don Banks
Greg A. Bedard
Greg Bishop
Chris Burke
Mark Godich
Tim Layden
Peter King


No. 1. Tom Brady
No. 2. Joe Montanna
No. 3: Peyton Manning
No. 4. Johnny Unitas
No. 5. Otto Graham
No. 6. John Elway
No. 7. Dan Marino
No. 8. Brett Favre
No. 9. Sammy Baugh
No. 10. Bart Starr

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/27/nf...ana-john-elway

I couldn’t put Starr that high. And I really think that Super Bowl era QBs should have their own list because the game was so different in the 50’s.

[tom444]

I couldn’t put Starr that high. And I really think that Super Bowl era QBs should have their own list because the game was so different in the 50’s.

Point taken.

As for Starr, even though I'm old enough to have watched him, on TV, I'm not qualified to judge him. I'd have to get more information than I have on hand.

[vasteeler]

Obviously, it's going to be hard to find a list that will satisfy most people. You might as well use Teegre's method and pick the QBs you liked/enjoyed watching the most for whatever reason.

However, this smaller list is pretty good.

Sports Illustrated

Top 10

Panelists:
Don Banks
Greg A. Bedard
Greg Bishop
Chris Burke
Mark Godich
Tim Layden
Peter King


No. 1. Tom Brady
No. 2. Joe Montanna
No. 3: Peyton Manning
No. 4. Johnny Unitas
No. 5. Otto Graham
No. 6. John Elway
No. 7. Dan Marino
No. 8. Brett Favre
No. 9. Sammy Baugh
No. 10. Bart Starr

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/27/nf...ana-john-elway

Marino should be at least # 3...IMO

[86WARD]

Obviously, it's going to be hard to find a list that will satisfy most people. You might as well use Teegre's method and pick the QBs you liked/enjoyed watching the most for whatever reason.

However, this smaller list is pretty good.

Sports Illustrated

Top 10

Panelists:
Don Banks
Greg A. Bedard
Greg Bishop
Chris Burke
Mark Godich
Tim Layden
Peter King


No. 1. Tom Brady
No. 2. Joe Montanna
No. 3: Peyton Manning
No. 4. Johnny Unitas
No. 5. Otto Graham
No. 6. John Elway
No. 7. Dan Marino
No. 8. Brett Favre
No. 9. Sammy Baugh
No. 10. Bart Starr

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/27/nf...ana-john-elway

I like that list but I wouldn’t put Elway that high. He’s the most over rated QB of all time imo.

[Born2Steel]

I thought about starting a new thread on this but since everybody seems to think the original article and list is asinine anyway, here it goes.

List your top ten QBs. Use your own criteria but try to stay consistent with it.
Example, my list will rank QBs I see as the toughest football players to play the position. And by toughest I am using played through injury that sidelined other QBs. Not most durable as in consecutive games bs.

1. Steve McNair - Played with a broken sternum.
2. Brett Favre - Played with a broken thumb/Day after his father's death.
3. Big Ben - Nose, knee, ankle, elbow...the list goes on.
4. Archie Manning - Did you watch the man play? Got hit nearly every snap.
5. Philip Rivers - Played with a torn ACL.
6. Dan Marino - Those knees were terrible. Played through defenses targeting his bad knees mercilessly.
7. Peyton Manning - The neck thing was an ongoing degenerative condition. He played through a lot of pain.
8. Steve DeBerg - Played a season with a broken finger pinned. Took snaps from under center.
9. John Elway - Watched him make too many comebacks after getting beat up all game to not put him on this list.
10. Chris Simms - Played with a ruptured spleen.

[tube517]

I thought about starting a new thread on this but since everybody seems to think the original article and list is asinine anyway, here it goes.

List your top ten QBs. Use your own criteria but try to stay consistent with it.
Example, my list will rank QBs I see as the toughest football players to play the position. And by toughest I am using played through injury that sidelined other QBs. Not most durable as in consecutive games bs.

1. Steve McNair - Played with a broken sternum.
2. Brett Favre - Played with a broken thumb/Day after his father's death.
3. Big Ben - Nose, knee, ankle, elbow...the list goes on.
4. Archie Manning - Did you watch the man play? Got hit nearly every snap.
5. Philip Rivers - Played with a torn ACL.
6. Dan Marino - Those knees were terrible. Played through defenses targeting his bad knees mercilessly.
7. Peyton Manning - The neck thing was an ongoing degenerative condition. He played through a lot of pain.
8. Steve DeBerg - Played a season with a broken finger pinned. Took snaps from under center.
9. John Elway - Watched him make too many comebacks after getting beat up all game to not put him on this list.
10. Chris Simms - Played with a ruptured spleen.

Bradshaw was pretty damn tough. Played w/an injured shoulder in XIII and tore that Doomsaday Defense apart.
Also, got his bell rung in SB X but got the ball off to Swann for the long TD. Didn't even remember the play.
Let alone his many (many) concussions.

We all have our opinions on Bradshaw but he was a tough sob.

[fansince'76]

Bradshaw was pretty damn tough. Played w/an injured shoulder in XIII and tore that Doomsaday Defense apart.
Also, got his bell rung in SB X but got the ball off to Swann for the long TD. Didn't even remember the play.
Let alone his many (many) concussions.

We all have our opinions on Bradshaw but he was a tough sob.

Same with Staubach - he was a walking concussion for the better part of his career as well. Not to mention getting a very late start on his career due to his Navy commitment.

Hate the Cowboys, but I've always had a ton of respect for Staubach.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I thought about starting a new thread on this but since everybody seems to think the original article and list is asinine anyway, here it goes.

List your top ten QBs. Use your own criteria but try to stay consistent with it.
Example, my list will rank QBs I see as the toughest football players to play the position. And by toughest I am using played through injury that sidelined other QBs. Not most durable as in consecutive games bs.

1. Steve McNair - Played with a broken sternum.
2. Brett Favre - Played with a broken thumb/Day after his father's death.
3. Big Ben - Nose, knee, ankle, elbow...the list goes on.
4. Archie Manning - Did you watch the man play? Got hit nearly every snap.
5. Philip Rivers - Played with a torn ACL.
6. Dan Marino - Those knees were terrible. Played through defenses targeting his bad knees mercilessly.
7. Peyton Manning - The neck thing was an ongoing degenerative condition. He played through a lot of pain.
8. Steve DeBerg - Played a season with a broken finger pinned. Took snaps from under center.
9. John Elway - Watched him make too many comebacks after getting beat up all game to not put him on this list.
10. Chris Simms - Played with a ruptured spleen.

Chris Simms belongs on a top 10 list of albino bust QB's.

Not sure about the whole spleen details, but I don't think there are any nerve endings on your spleen, so he would not have known anything was wrong until the systemic effects of spleen damage took over his physical well being. Its your list, but not sure I would rank Simms as a tough guy for that.