Is Artie Burns’ time in Pittsburgh coming to an end?

[polamalubeast]

The Steelers already declined the fifth-year option on Artie Burns‘ rookie contract. Is the team thinking of moving on from the cornerback?

Burns is due an $800,000 roster bonus on the first day of training camp, so these could be the final few days for Burns in Pittsburgh, Ed Bouchette of TheAthletic.com reports.



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[Fire Goodell]

most likely

[Edman]

Yes. Burnt has committed mental suicide. He has given up on himself. He thinks of himself as toast, so that is what he is.

The guy is mentally shot, and when your mind isn't there, you're through.

Though it isn't entirely his fault. Steelers Defensive coaching has been atrocious. When you have a raw athlete, coaching has to be on point, and the Steelers just didn't have that. I'm not mad at Artie, I'm just sad for him.

Artie Burnt is done.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Tough call. Do they pay the $800k roster bonus and see if he can have a good training camp? Or do they cut ties and save the $800k to use elsewhere?

At best, he makes the team and starts on the outside, while Steve Nelson plays the slot. More realistically he is behind Nelson and Haden on the outside and Hilton will play the slot. Something tells me they pay him the $800k and keep him to see if they can salvage some production and progress from him. Hilton is a RFA in 2020 and they can give him a contract next season and by then Justin Layne has 1 year as an NFL pro behind him.

I really don't know if the Steelers will just give up on Burns after 3 seasons. The Jarvis Jones experience says they keep him one more.

[polamalubeast]

[GoSlash27]

I'm pretty sure he's done.

[Six Rings]

Burns is almost finished here. I so badly wanted X Howard that year.

[DesertSteel]

He’ll be on the roster in 2019, for one final season.

[AtlantaDan]

If Burns is going to be released before training camp to avoid paying the $800K the decision presumably has been made

Doubtful what Burns does in mini-camp will be meaningful enough to make a difference - my guess is they pay the bonus and wait until Burns performance in preseason to decide

In the running for one of the all time worst first round picks by the Steelers in their modern (after Noll arrived) era - last time I recall a first round pick being released prior to the start of his 4th regular season was 1996 pick Jamain Stephens - at least the Steelers got a 6th round pick when they gave up on 1999 pick Troy Edwards when trading Edwards to the Rams in 2002

[steel striker]

I think he will be released very soon.

[BlackAndGold]

Do they keep 6 corners?

Haden, Nelson, Hilton and Layne are locks.

Sutton has versatility and can play inside and outside corner. So I think he could stick.

Will be interesting to see what they do but Burns time in the Burgh may be over.

[Mojouw]

Surprised they haven't asked him to defer the bonus until September like Boswell.

[polamalubeast]

Surprised they haven't asked him to defer the bonus until September like Boswell.

Maybe Burns refused that if the steelers offered that.

[steelreserve]

He should be released but probably won't. With first-round picks, for some reason we completely lose sight of the concept of sunk costs and throwing good money after bad.

If this guy was drafted in any other round or brought in as a FA, the only way he's not out the door ages ago is if it was an unlucky kick and our foot got stuck in his asshole. But if it's a first-round pick, we act like it's STILL costing us draft picks all the way to the bitter end, so we waste years re-provimg what was obviously proven.

[polamalubeast]

In fact,maybe not

[Shoes]

He should be released but probably won't. With first-round picks, for some reason we completely lose sight of the concept of sunk costs and throwing good money after bad.

If this guy was drafted in any other round or brought in as a FA, the only way he's not out the door ages ago is if it was an unlucky kick and our foot got stuck in his asshole. But if it's a first-round pick, we act like it's STILL costing us draft picks all the way to the bitter end, so we waste years re-provimg what was obviously proven.

That reason is egg on face.

[steelreserve]

That reason is egg on face.

What's more embarrassing ... missing on a draft pick, or dragging the process out an extra 2 or 3 (sometimes expensive) years longer than it needed to be, because you dug in your heels and refused to admit it was a bad pick?

[Shoes]

What's more embarrassing ... missing on a draft pick, or dragging the process out an extra 2 or 3 (sometimes expensive) years longer than it needed to be, because you dug in your heels and refused to admit it was a bad pick?

Well, the thinking is if they keep them long enough everyone will forget they were a #1 pick, plus pro football teams like to throw money in the shitter.

[Born2Steel]

I would not be surprised at all if the Steelers saved the 800k and cut Burns before the deadline. Since I would keep Sutton, Hilton, Haden, Nelson, Layne, and Allen before signing Burns to the 53 already. I would rather re-sign Sensabaugh rather than keep Burns on the 53. If Burns makes this year’s 53 man roster it needs to be as a backup FS only, AND he better bring something on ST. I say he’s done.

[Mojouw]

I get what everyone is saying. I really do. But 800k is chump change on an NFL cap sheet. It's like 0.0005 percent of the cap or something.

[teegre]

Math

Veteran minimum (4 years in NFL):
$790,000

Artie Burns’ salary (also, his 4th year):
$800,000

SUMMATION:
Bringing in a vet would only save the Steelers $10,000. Plus, the new player wouldn’t know the playbook (although, one could say “neither does Burns”).

IMO, Burns has too much raw speed to cut (for $10,000). Sometimes players “suddenly” get it in year four... which is worth the risk. We had done well with taking gambles on those “fourth year busts” that other teams had cut: Yancey Thigpen, James Farrior, James Harrison, and Ryan Clark.

[Steeldude]

Someone will cry for him like they did for Dupree. Both of them should be off the team.

[Fire Goodell]

Someone will cry for him like they did for Dupree. Both of them should be off the team.

Dupree isn't as bad as people say. He's not all pro or pro bowl by any means, but he's a solid starter. With that said, I think he's a little overpaid on the 5th year option, but we don't have anybody behind him, so keeping him was something the FO had to do if we want to win now. I mean who's his backups, Chickillo which is a perennial 2nd string player, and Ola who's promising but VERY green. Anyone saying the dropoff between Dupree and Chickillo isn't much either isn't watching or is lying to themselves. And in either case, if Chick was the starter, who's behind him? A whole lotta nobody.

Burns on the other hand, yeah I think his time's almost up.

[Dwinsgames]

I get what everyone is saying. I really do. But 800k is chump change on an NFL cap sheet. It's like 0.0005 percent of the cap or something.

sometimes the roster spot is more valuable than the money spent to roster a guy

[Hawkman]

Dupree isn't as bad as people say. He's not all pro or pro bowl by any means, but he's a solid starter. With that said, I think he's a little overpaid on the 5th year option, but we don't have anybody behind him, so keeping him was something the FO had to do if we want to win now. I mean who's his backups, Chickillo which is a perennial 2nd string player, and Ola who's promising but VERY green. Anyone saying the dropoff between Dupree and Chickillo isn't much either isn't watching or is lying to themselves. And in either case, if Chick was the starter, who's behind him? A whole lotta nobody.

Burns on the other hand, yeah I think his time's almost up.

Let’s see what happens in the next few weeks.....maybe the new “whisperer” coach can turn him around.

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Let’s see what happens in the next few weeks.....maybe the new “whisperer” coach can turn him around.

Burns

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Math

Veteran minimum (4 years in NFL):
$790,000

Artie Burns’ salary (also, his 4th year):
$800,000

SUMMATION:
Bringing in a vet would only save the Steelers $10,000. Plus, the new player wouldn’t know the playbook (although, one could say “neither does Burns”).

IMO, Burns has too much raw speed to cut (for $10,000). Sometimes players “suddenly” get it in year four... which is worth the risk. We had done well with taking gambles on those “fourth year busts” that other teams had cut: Yancey Thigpen, James Farrior, James Harrison, and Ryan Clark.

Its not really a $10,000 difference. He has a $1.757 salary this year in addition to the pro rated portion of his signing bonus. If they cut him, they save the $1.7million and that cap space to do something else with.

So lets just say they decide to part ways, they save the $1.7million in cap space to maybe work on somebody's extension and the CB room is likely Haden, Nelson, Hilton, Sutton, Layne, Allen(or another rookie). Its a one year roll of the dice that Burns makes progress this season and the price tag is $1.7million.

[steelreserve]

Dupree isn't as bad as people say. He's not all pro or pro bowl by any means, but he's a solid starter. With that said, I think he's a little overpaid on the 5th year option, but we don't have anybody behind him, so keeping him was something the FO had to do if we want to win now. I mean who's his backups, Chickillo which is a perennial 2nd string player, and Ola who's promising but VERY green. Anyone saying the dropoff between Dupree and Chickillo isn't much either isn't watching or is lying to themselves. And in either case, if Chick was the starter, who's behind him? A whole lotta nobody.

Burns on the other hand, yeah I think his time's almost up.

How far can you fall from the bottom step?

"Solid starter" is about the last thing I would call Dupree. "Replacement-level journeyman" is more like it.

[Mojouw]

sometimes the roster spot is more valuable than the money spent to roster a guy

That is an entirely different kettle of fish than the generally focused discussion on the 800K. If they want or need the roster spot, they can cut Burns at any time. He is 1.3 in dead cap and 1.7 in cap savings at any point between now and the expiration of his current contract. The same as any player where the cap savings is more than the dead cap $$, your spot is in jeopardy at any point.

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How far can you fall from the bottom step?

"Solid starter" is about the last thing I would call Dupree. "Replacement-level journeyman" is more like it.

You can fall at least as far as Chickfillet and Farfignewton Yugo. Or an OLB from the MAC who is the size of a small safety.

[Born2Steel]

I get it that Jarvis Jones was the 17th overall pick so yes he was given a 4th season to get it together. Burns was 25th overall and after what we should have learned from Jones, times up. OR trade him for a decent Kicker or backup TE.

[teegre]

Its not really a $10,000 difference. He has a $1.757 salary this year in addition to the pro rated portion of his signing bonus. If they cut him, they save the $1.7million and that cap space to do something else with.

So lets just say they decide to part ways, they save the $1.7million in cap space to maybe work on somebody's extension and the CB room is likely Haden, Nelson, Hilton, Sutton, Layne, Allen(or another rookie). Its a one year roll of the dice that Burns makes progress this season and the price tag is $1.7million.