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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

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    Nothing has happened to the Democratic party. Yet.
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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    That seems like a legit source of news and information. I understand more know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    That seems like a legit source of news and information. I understand more know.
    Least i know how to donate to a site once in a while before i spew my vast and inarguable opinions. How bout you? Put some money where your mouth is .
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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by cold-hard-steel View Post
    Least i know how to donate to a site once in a while before i spew my vast and inarguable opinions. How bout you? Put some money where your mouth is .
    Not speaking for anyone in particular, but someone could donate to the site and not request a donation tag. And honestly, calling out someone for not donating is kinda weak sauce in my opinion. I also don't pretend to know what other people's financial position is. Just my .02 cents. Y'all can continue your regular scheduled programming of bashing each other.






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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by cold-hard-steel View Post
    Least i know how to donate to a site once in a while before i spew my vast and inarguable opinions. How bout you? Put some money where your mouth is .
    When you want to start contributing to my monthly bills; feel free to offer opinions on how I spend my money. Let me know if your interested. Other than that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 43Hitman View Post
    Not speaking for anyone in particular, but someone could donate to the site and not request a donation tag. And honestly, calling out someone for not donating is kinda weak sauce in my opinion. I also don't pretend to know what other people's financial position is. Just my .02 cents. Y'all can continue your regular scheduled programming of bashing each other.
    Well i certainly won't pretend to care.

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    When you want to start contributing to my monthly bills; feel free to offer opinions on how I spend my money. Let me know if your interested. Other than that...
    So start a "go fund you". You brought your "circular maize of logic" directly to me .
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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by cold-hard-steel View Post
    Well i certainly won't pretend to care.

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    So start a "go fund you". You brought your "circular maize of logic" directly to me .
    The word your looking for is "m-a-z-e" unless you are describing a round ear of corn...

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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    The word your looking for is "m-a-z-e" unless you are describing a round ear of corn...
    Or Michigan Wolverines color pattern. "Maize and Blue"

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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Or Michigan Wolverines color pattern. "Maize and Blue"
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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    The word your looking for is "m-a-z-e" unless you are describing a round ear of corn...
    Yeah!!! Where your logic belongs in the corn field . Get it ? Circular Maize of logic . Wish it it in the corn field ? Never mind your just too smart to understand. Any way why not seek one of the many programs that your democratic party funds and offers for a mere vote.Don't worry about if you would happen to be white,or native north american,or asian american.Because all lives matter under the Constitution.
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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by cold-hard-steel View Post
    Yeah!!! Where your logic belongs in the corn field . Get it ? Circular Maize of logic . Wish it it in the corn field ? Never mind your just too smart to understand. Any way why not seek one of the many programs that your democratic party funds and offers for a mere vote.Don't worry about if you would happen to be white,or native north american,or asian american.Because all lives matter under the Constitution.
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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    That seems like a legit source of news and information. I understand more know.
    Hope you understand "more know" on the origin of the "circular MAIZE of logic".
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    Quote Originally Posted by cold-hard-steel View Post
    Hope you understand "more know" on the origin of the "circular MAIZE of logic".
    Look, agree or disagree with the corn maze of logic or whatever. Not my problem. I was only trying to offer my perspective on what I think people are mad about and why they are angry about it. You seemed to take it all as some personal attack on your worldview. Got angry and spammed out a bunch of click-bait right wing nonsense links. I snarked at it and you snapped. None of this falls under the category of "my problem".

    Liberals/progressive/socialists get accused of being delicate flowers that are triggered into safe spaces BUT why is it always conservatives that take an exchange of opinions at an emotional and personal level? Like why is my opinion (and not all of what I posted do I even agree with - which I stated previously) being different than yours somehow an attack on your own stance?

    Why is it that conservatives always bring up some vague hand-wavy nonsense about how the Democratic party "buys" votes with "giveaways" to minority groups BUT then totally ignores how the GOP "buys" votes with "giveaways" to rich dudes that run banks and corporations and donate dump-trucks full of money to their re-election campaigns?

    The "circular maize of logic" is that one party in America has aligned itself with fundamental evangelical religion and the corporate oligarchy in order to fill campaign coffers and the other party has aligned itself with liberals, minority groups and labor in order to find a coalition of counter-balancing donors to fill their campaign coffers. Ideally one or the other would occasionally get around to governing; but that happens less and less.

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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    The Dems should show some leadership like Pence and McConnell, by suggesting that people wear masks in places where they cannot socially distance. This way the number of cases can subside like so many other developed nations and economy can be reopened with fewer restrictions.

    McConnell makes strong call for masks, saying there should be no stigma https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...d-be-no-stigma


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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Liberals/progressive/socialists get accused of being delicate flowers that are triggered into safe spaces BUT why is it always conservatives that take an exchange of opinions at an emotional and personal level? Like why is my opinion (and not all of what I posted do I even agree with - which I stated previously) being different than yours somehow an attack on your own stance?
    I'm sorry, but that is precisely what The right thinks the left does to them. . Could it be that one's personal views over ride the other opinion?... and both sides are guilty of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    I'm sorry, but that is precisely what The right thinks the left does to them. . Could it be that one's personal views over ride the other opinion?... and both sides are guilty of it?
    Sure. Their are jerks on all sides. And we all do it from time to time. I just think it is hilarious that the right leaning internet has spawned this whole industry of calling people "triggered" and "snowflakes" when there is no one easier to get all riled up than a middle aged conservative white dude. It takes like two sentences and these cats freak right the hell out and become totally incapable of having a coherent discussion.

    And I would counter that, in my own experience and solely that, it is much more frequent for someone on the right to be unwilling or unable to listen to a statement about why people on the left disagree with them. I'm not even talking about an actual debate or attempt to persuade. But just an attempt to explain why the left is approaching issue X with solution Z. About 3 sentences in and many on the right just start yelling about "America" and "socialism". I assume the counter-weight is some annoying liberal buzzwords such as "justice" and calling everyone right of Mother Teresa Hitler or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    I'm sorry, but that is precisely what The right thinks the left does to them. . Could it be that one's personal views over ride the other opinion?... and both sides are guilty of it?
    Yes, this is because its difficult for most to hold 2 conflicting opinions in their mind. Many cannot consider themselves devoted to one side, yet agree with the opinions of the other side, unless they are aware of their subconscious bias. for instance "Liberals are Socialists....I dont agree with Socialism and therefore dont agree with Liberals, so if a person has Liberal ideology, I must disagree with them on all discussions."

    Holding two conflicting truths in your mind at the same time is painful. It somehow doesn’t feel right, because from back in the caveman days we are wired to pick one truth and run with it. Mammoth or no mammoth, clear thing. If you accept conflicting truths, the world will yell at you: “Are you for us or against us? Make up your mind!” And because you accept both truths, both parties will think you are against them, as you accept the truth of their opponents as well

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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Sure. Their are jerks on all sides. And we all do it from time to time. I just think it is hilarious that the right leaning internet has spawned this whole industry of calling people "triggered" and "snowflakes" when there is no one easier to get all riled up than a middle aged conservative white dude. It takes like two sentences and these cats freak right the hell out and become totally incapable of having a coherent discussion.

    And I would counter that, in my own experience and solely that, it is much more frequent for someone on the right to be unwilling or unable to listen to a statement about why people on the left disagree with them. I'm not even talking about an actual debate or attempt to persuade. But just an attempt to explain why the left is approaching issue X with solution Z. About 3 sentences in and many on the right just start yelling about "America" and "socialism". I assume the counter-weight is some annoying liberal buzzwords such as "justice" and calling everyone right of Mother Teresa Hitler or something.
    Have you seen whats going on lately? Which side is trying to shove their so called opinions, ideology, justice or agenda down who's throats? It's not the right.

    Which side are you on?

    I'm on the side that doesn't support burning buildings, erasing history, attacking the police, race baiting, taking away rights, and silencing free speech. If that makes me a right wing extremist then so be it.

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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    Have you seen whats going on lately? Which side is trying to shove their so called opinions, ideology, justice or agenda down who's throats? It's not the right.

    Which side are you on?

    I'm on the side that doesn't support burning buildings, erasing history, attacking the police, race baiting, taking away rights, and silencing free speech. If that makes me a right wing extremist then so be it.

    You may want to get off you self appointed moral high ground.
    No idea how you got any of that from what I posted. I have not used the word "extremist" in any of my posts. I have simply used descriptive terms "right" and "left" as broad short-hand for the opposite sides of a political spectrum. I have repeatedly plainly stated that I ask no one to ever agree with my opinions or understandings of how we got to where we are now. I assumed, since the title of the thread was a question, that some wanted to compare and discuss alternative takes on what is going on in the American Left. As to how my disagreeing or holding an alternative viewpoint to you is somehow a "moral high ground" that is a position that you have assigned to me, and I assume anyone else that disagrees with you -- just look at your signature. It assumes inferiority.

    But I think your unhinged rant has gone a long way towards proving my point. As well as underscoring what El Gonzo posted just a bit ago as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    Have you seen whats going on lately? Which side is trying to shove their so called opinions, ideology, justice or agenda down who's throats? It's not the right.

    Which side are you on?

    I'm on the side that doesn't support burning buildings, erasing history, attacking the police, race baiting, taking away rights, and silencing free speech. If that makes me a right wing extremist then so be it.

    You may want to get off you self appointed moral high ground.
    I know right. It's the left that wants a kid show cancelled just because a character happens to be a dog that is a cop. It's the left that is calling for a boycott of Dominos pizza because they tweeted appreciation for Kayliegh McEnany being a loyal customer 8 YEARS AGO! The left is always most boisterous over cancelling anything that isn't 100% in line with their views

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post

    But I think your unhinged rant has gone a long way towards proving my point. As well as underscoring what El Gonzo posted just a bit ago as well.
    Pretty much.

    One side thinks that if you support anti-racism and disproportionate police violence against minorities, that you condone the destruction of innocent peoples property. While the other side thinks that if you are supportive of lower corporate tax rates, that you also support the prejudicial treatment of minorities and the "white power" movement.

    There are some that can view things as simple right and wrong, or that both sides have some good beliefs... such as that its wrong to shoot a drunken man in the back, or wrong to kneel on a man's neck until he dies and its also wrong to loot stores and burn buildings.

    Sadly, a lot of people cannot admit to somebody on the other side of the discussion, that they have some good points. They often attack or deflect as a coping mechanism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Pretty much.

    One side thinks that if you support anti-racism and disproportionate police violence against minorities, that you condone the destruction of innocent peoples property. While the other side thinks that if you are supportive of lower corporate tax rates, that you also support the prejudicial treatment of minorities and the "white power" movement.

    There are some that can view things as simple right and wrong, or that both sides have some good beliefs... such as that its wrong to shoot a drunken man in the back, or wrong to kneel on a man's neck until he dies and its also wrong to loot stores and burn buildings.

    Sadly, a lot of people cannot admit to somebody on the other side of the discussion, that they have some good points. They often attack or deflect as a coping mechanism.
    True. I do it far more often than I would like. I think part of it is that it can all get so tiring. For instance, I get really tired with just because I am for high corporate tax rates and high(er) tax rates on the upper %'s that it is just assumed that I want to give away $$$ for nothing on the back-end or wouldn't have a military or whatever else the "left" stands for in some people's minds. Then I have to waste so much energy trying to separate those ideas in people's minds that I just get worn out and frustrated.

    I imagine that it goes the other direction as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    I know right. It's the left that wants a kid show cancelled just because a character happens to be a dog that is a cop. It's the left that is calling for a boycott of Dominos pizza because they tweeted appreciation for Kayliegh McEnany being a loyal customer 8 YEARS AGO! The left is always most boisterous over cancelling anything that isn't 100% in line with their views
    Happens both ways. Remember when we were all supposed to stop shopping at Target because of bathrooms? Or whenever we are supposed to stop watching this or reading that because of either sex or Jesus?

    I don't disagree with you at all, but as others have pointed out both sides have their loud voices that prevent either side from being totally blameless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Happens both ways. Remember when we were all supposed to stop shopping at Target because of bathrooms? Or whenever we are supposed to stop watching this or reading that because of either sex or Jesus?

    I don't disagree with you at all, but as others have pointed out both sides have their loud voices that prevent either side from being totally blameless.
    It most definitely does NOT happen both ways. The conservative equivalent of "cancel culture" is a few fanatics calling to boycott something and then nobody really pays much attention to them. The liberal version is tracking individual people down and harassing them, threatening them, harassing their employers until they are fired from their jobs.

    Which side will vandalize your property? Which side uses violence? Which side mobs people in the street? Which side uses the media as a weapon? Which side stages phony hate crimes? Which side bans opposing views from being discussed in public? If you parked a car with a Trump bumper sticker in downtown San Francisco, and parked another car with a Bernie bumper sticker in a town in rural Texas, and came back 4 hours later, which one do you think would be trashed with the tires cut and the windows smashed?

    What conservatives do is mainly the standard ways of applying political pressure, and the ones who cross the line (largely religious extremists) are frowned upon even by other conservatives. Leftists use personal bullying and intimidation as their bread and butter.

    It is not even close, and saying "both sides do it" is just a weak attempt to distance themselves from the outright disgusting behavior that is widespread among those who share those beliefs. No, it is not the same, and it is not just a few bad apples doing it who are ostracized by the rest. It is widespread and It is cheered on by a large part of the Democratic base. There is no downplaying it. That is the behavior that you are either rationalizing or pretending doesn't exist if you are a modern liberal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    It most definitely does NOT happen both ways. The conservative equivalent of "cancel culture" is a few fanatics calling to boycott something and then nobody really pays much attention to them. The liberal version is tracking individual people down and harassing them, threatening them, harassing their employers until they are fired from their jobs.

    Which side will vandalize your property? Which side uses violence? Which side mobs people in the street? Which side uses the media as a weapon? Which side stages phony hate crimes? Which side bans opposing views from being discussed in public? If you parked a car with a Trump bumper sticker in downtown San Francisco, and parked another car with a Bernie bumper sticker in a town in rural Texas, and came back 4 hours later, which one do you think would be trashed with the tires cut and the windows smashed?

    What conservatives do is mainly the standard ways of applying political pressure, and the ones who cross the line (largely religious extremists) are frowned upon even by other conservatives. Leftists use personal bullying and intimidation as their bread and butter.

    It is not even close, and saying "both sides do it" is just a weak attempt to distance themselves from the outright disgusting behavior that is widespread among those who share those beliefs. No, it is not the same, and it is not just a few bad apples doing it who are ostracized by the rest. It is widespread and It is cheered on by a large part of the Democratic base. There is no downplaying it. That is the behavior that you are either rationalizing or pretending doesn't exist if you are a modern liberal.
    So Charlottesville didn't happen? I mean that was what 3 years ago? Guess it doesn't count. The multiple incidents of people driving through protesters this summer aren't real?

    Pizzagate shooting didn't happen?

    IF one really wanted to get into it one could make an argument that the right doesn't have to resort to street violence because they just have the police do it for them...not like you have to protest and what not to advocate for MORE police with military style weapons and tactics.

    I think the fact that no one pays attention to conservative protests and tons of people (according to this board they run the world) pay attention to liberal protests speaks volumes in and of itself.

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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    So Charlottesville didn't happen? I mean that was what 3 years ago? Guess it doesn't count. The multiple incidents of people driving through protesters this summer aren't real?

    Pizzagate shooting didn't happen?

    IF one really wanted to get into it one could make an argument that the right doesn't have to resort to street violence because they just have the police do it for them...not like you have to protest and what not to advocate for MORE police with military style weapons and tactics.

    I think the fact that no one pays attention to conservative protests and tons of people (according to this board they run the world) pay attention to liberal protests speaks volumes in and of itself.
    "Multiple incidents of driving through protesters," are you smoking crack?

    Look at a video clip of any one of those, and it is the same exact thing:

    - Car stops to avoid plowing through protesters

    - Crowd surrounds stopped car

    - Crowd starts throwing shit at stopped car, smashing windows and trying to pull the driver out to beat him/her to a pulp

    - Car starts moving as driver tries to get the hell out of there, slowly at first and trying to go around

    - Idiots run in front of the car and push on it trying to stop it as the others trying to drag out the driver go into a frenzy

    - Driver says fuck it and hits the gas, idiots still try to stop the car by pushing on the hood and get knocked on their asses

    - Outrage! How dare he not stay put and let us beat him to death! Now let's all run after him, we can chase down a car on foot for sure!

    Did that not describe every single one of those incidents? Is there something I missed? The leftists were the ones getting violent every time. They were in the wrong. Too bad.

    Not to mention it is beyond ridiculous to compare a handful of isolated incidents in which people fleeing violent street mobs caused injuries to members of said mobs, to thousands of continuous, deliberate acts of physical violence or intimidation over the course of years. The liberals are nearly ALWAYS the aggressors. It does NOT go both ways. That is straight bullshit and everyone can see it, stop playing dumb.
    An empty victory is a victory nonetheless.

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    Re: What has happened to the Democratic party?

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Pretty much.

    One side thinks that if you support anti-racism and disproportionate police violence against minorities, that you condone the destruction of innocent peoples property. While the other side thinks that if you are supportive of lower corporate tax rates, that you also support the prejudicial treatment of minorities and the "white power" movement.

    There are some that can view things as simple right and wrong, or that both sides have some good beliefs... such as that its wrong to shoot a drunken man in the back, or wrong to kneel on a man's neck until he dies and its also wrong to loot stores and burn buildings.

    Sadly, a lot of people cannot admit to somebody on the other side of the discussion, that they have some good points. They often attack or deflect as a coping mechanism.



    No.... I don't think that. I just feel,that the Left is way more unhinged than the right at this particular time.The right is definitely not correct on a lot of things. I do agree with the left on some tings. I just think that as of right now... the left is floundering... and grasping at straws to unseat Trump at any and all costs. Surely... no one on the left with a brain can honestly think that Biden can lead this country, at this point in time????

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    Belichick for President

    Newton for Vice President



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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
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    No.... I don't think that. I just feel,that the Left is way more unhinged than the right at this particular time.The right is definitely not correct on a lot of things. I do agree with the left on some tings. I just think that as of right now... the left is floundering... and grasping at straws to unseat Trump at any and all costs. Surely... no one on the left with a brain can honestly think that Biden can lead this country, at this point in time????
    That captures the difference quite well if you ask me. Conservatives have some ideas that suck, just like liberals (although if you ask me, one side has more bad ideas than the other). But only one side uses threats, intimidation, and actual violence on a recurring basis. And the threats and intimidation are carried out constantly on an ongoing basis; they are an acknowledged part of their game plan. What's more, they are mostly carried out against ordinary people, which is despicable.
    An empty victory is a victory nonetheless.

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    So Charlottesville didn't happen? I mean that was what 3 years ago? Guess it doesn't count. The multiple incidents of people driving through protesters this summer aren't real?
    Most of those were one-offs rather than being coordinated by national groups from the left like Antifa. Moreover, I can remember as far back as the middle of the Clinton years when Democrats were using the argument, "If this bill passes, Republicans will be making senior citizens eat dog food because they can't afford anything else" as a legitimate argument.

    Yes, it does come from both sides, but I'd argue the coordination and intention is heavily on the left side rather than the one-offs we see on the right side from idiots doing stupid things.

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    Antifa is an "organization" with no central leadership or organization. The FBI concluded they have little or nothing to do with current protests.

    Right wing rhetoric about "destroying the fabric of America"; "immigrants having anchor babies"; "tax and spend liberals funding welfare queens"; "death panels"; "killing seniors by bankrupt social security"; I remebe4 being told if Democrats were in charge we would burn in nuclear fire; and on and on.

    Both sides regularly suck and use fear to motivate.

    To me, that is separate from the 2016 and 2020 street violence. While the organized American political left may be attempting to co-opt the energy and attention of protests; they aren't coordinating it. It's grassroots ad-hoc organizations mobilizing on the fly from what I've read. This recent protests and everything that has folks so scared and angry isn't coming top down. It's directly from the bottom. Often started by people who've never been part of the political conversation before. Many of the people and groups prominent in my area are putting both parties on full blast. This is what people who feel no one represents them, no one hears them, and no one cares look like. It should scare the heck out of all of us. Good. Maybe someone who can actually do something will finally hear.

    Again, only to me, that grabs my attention and makes me want to understand where that action comes from far more than what any politician could ever say.

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