You completely missed the point.Originally Posted by cubanstogie
You completely missed the point.
actually no , I think both parties lie and are full of shit, and will do whatever to get elected. I just think libs are sneakier more cringe and don’t believe in too many of their policies. Abortion is legal, as is organ donation. I have no problem with using to improve lives for the future. Im actually not picking a side on the research, I dont know and really dont care to be honest. Im just playing devil’s advocate on the people who are so pumped to play gotcha with Trump. I really hope his second term they pick and choose their battles better. Some are worthy, most are a joke. Like this and article 25.
Probably true, I miss most points of your posts
So you're just a nobody who believes in nothing. Impressive.
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Yeah, you're nothing but a smartass. You got nothing.
So why the goal of defending Trump? I'm just curious, if its party related, as if you identify more as a Republican, or if its his anti-political establishment stance, or is it how he states things so simplistically with regards to race relations. Or is is just that he comes across as a really honest and empathetic guy to you? Or do you see him as the unfortunate underdog that nobody gives a break to?
I'm really curious to know what about him is so defendable.
Hopefully this explains it better to you. The reality is that HEK is a Human Embryonic Kidney cell origin. None of the Pro Lifer's, convenient evangelicals or right wing radicals, seemingly want to talk about that. Likely because its a blatant display of hypocrisy, or they cant rationalize that an alleged Republican can have such drug used on them, or they don't understand the science because they fit in the large demographic of the Trump base that is, Whites Without a College Education.
HEK293 – The HEK293 line is the original line established from a primary embryonic human kidney and transformed with sheared human adenovirus type 5 DNA. The E1A adenovirus gene is expressed in these cells and participates in transactivation of some viral promoters, allowing these cells to produce very high levels of protein.2
HEK293T – HEK293T is a HEK293 variant that expresses a temperature-sensitive allele of the SV40 T antigen. This enables the amplification of vectors containing the SV40 ori and thus considerably increases the protein expression levels during transient transfection. SV40 T forms a complex with and inhibits p53, possibly further compromising genome integrity.10,12
Yeah, that lines up with what I am seeing and reading. But thinking and learning are not easy...so why bother? I didn't know anything about any of this (other than I knew it happened and was a component of medical research) until 24 hours ago.
Wow, what does that make you then?
See you Space Cowboy ...
So stimulus talks are back on?
Guess someone saw some polling data.
Yeah, the Democrats must have realized it's pretty unpopular to try to ram through liberal pet projects on the back of a relief bill for a third time, which is relief for an emergency that they created themselves, when everyone can see that and is already furious with them about it.
See you Space Cowboy ...
Might want to tell the WH that. Their latest proposal sounds pretty conciliatory. Definitely want to inform the Senate since McConnell said he won't do it.
"I would like to see a bigger stimulus package, frankly, than either the Democrats or Republicans are offering," Trump said while being interviewed on "The Rush Limbaugh Show." The President continued that he's "going in the exact opposite now," adding, "Maybe it helps or maybe it hurts negotiations." -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/09/polit...est/index.html
"Mr. Mnuchin’s offer is expected to include measures that Republicans have previously rejected, the official said, suggesting an increase in state in local funding is likely to be included in the proposal." -- https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10...my-coronavirus
Surely it is all lies and spin, but it certainly sounds like the WH caved to a degree and is now pushing McConnell to do the same. Might have something to do with the significant drift in polling data over the last 7-10 days...
"The last thing we need is for Donald Trump to be more confused...".
Ah yes, the polling data. It's very believable that Biden is winning by the widest margin in more than 50 years, despite not running a campaign and refusing to reveal any policy plans other than raising taxes. Yes, that's what the people are really getting behind. Insulting and threatening them for years has made tens of millions see the light, and the actual violence and abhorrent actions by Democrats in government have cemented it. We're all behind Biden now, the nameless D candidate. Surely it's not that the polls routinely oversample Democrats by as much as 25%. The news organizations backing the polls don't have a desired outcome in mind.
The polls are exactly one thing, which is conditioning people to believe that the massive cheating about to take place is plausible. Cheating is really all you've got left at this point, and everybody knows it. But the ends justify the means, right?
See you Space Cowboy ...
"The last thing we need is for steelreserve to be more confused...".
Well before you slammed the crazy train full throttle out of the station, it would've been useful to read and understand the original post.
All I pointed out is that this WH has a roughly 3.5 year pattern of responding within 12-24 hours to shifts in national polling data. We can debate until we are blue in the face about polling methodology, how to interpret the results, and what polling sources are valid or which can be ignored.
https://www.quora.com/How-many-regis...t-a-percentage
This is the most summarized place I've been able to find the #'s...but there are 11+ million more registered Democratic voters than registered Republican Voters. There are roughly just as many registered independent/unaffiliated voters as registered Republicans. So you could easily account for the polling data as a representative sample with those #'s.
It's ok. Per my previous post, I think it's safe to say all of the above can be interpreted as "reeeeeeeeeeeee."
See you Space Cowboy ...
Think about this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54482846Michigan Gov Gretchen Whitmer was 'moved around' as FBI tracked militia 'plot'
"Hate groups heard the president's words... as a rallying cry": Mrs Whitmer calls out TrumpMichigan's governor was kept updated about a plot to abduct her and was moved around as the FBI tracked her would-be kidnappers, the US state's attorney general has revealed.
On Thursday the FBI said it had thwarted the plot by alleged militiamen who planned to hold a "treason trial" for Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
A total of 13 men have been charged.
Strict measures against coronavirus in Michigan have made Governor Whitmer a target for Covid-19 skeptics.
I will give you the cliff notes. Yes I lean right, I believe in borders, the less government the better. Social programs have their place but are exploited by people sitting on ass and democrats perpetuate the exploitation for votes and power. Illegal immigration costs this country billions and too many innocent lives wrecked when they have no business here. IMO democrats dont hold them accountable. Trump is trying to. 2016 Rubio was my first choice, cruz then Trump. I hated Hillary. Trump has been undermined since day one with crooked politics. I dont like abortion, it basically says we live in a disposable society. Dont like it throw it away And get new one. But its legal and Im not a woman so I really dont feel its my place to tell them they can’t, when I will never be in there shoes. I dont mind the abrasiveness I think its entertaining and dems deserve it because most are slimeballs. Maxine waters , pelosi, shumer are pathetic. Tired of status quo and Trump has changed politics. I know Trump was lib, was pro choice and also plays politics, but he is by far the lesser if 2 evils . My like for Trump has grown due to Shifty shiff and company impeaching since day one. The people spoke yet they dont care. Trump much better for economy. Stock market up, unemployment down especially for minorities and he actually accomplished criminal justice reform. Pretty good accomplishments for a racist. While joe not hated like hillary, he is senile and I really dont want socialism. Eventually you run out of other people’s money. It does not work. Green new deal? Really.
Art of the deal. I dont think it was a whim, neither was saying no virtual debate.
OK, we have similar opinions of a lot of things. "Running out of other peoples money to spend" is a line I use all the time. Never liked Cruz, Trump has lied, cheated and stole from hard working people all his life. John Kasich seemed like a better candidate back then and I dont think the country would be in turmoil like it is, if he were president. But whatever.
I find if amusing that over Trumps lifetime as a developer, he ripped off so many honest workers by not paying them what they were owed, yet I bet a lot of his base are those same tradespeople, construction workers, builders, etc. as his strongest demographic is white people without a college education. Anyways, we will see what happens in November.
This is just so much awesome and bottom line stuff in one post that I can’t appreciate it enough.
^^^This is just the same old same old.
We're in a period of change. Political change. Demographic change. Economic change. Climate change. Global change. You can't pretend this change away, you have to try to influence it for the better of all of us. At the same time because change is always risky we're in a period of fear and mistrust. Trump represents some of the mistrust. Close the borders. Control trade. So on and so forth. The left's reaction to the risk we're facing is raising the hourly wage, protecting the vulnerable, raising taxes, etc. etc. It's my experience that life is change and that you have to except it. Few things anger me more than people who think they can halt it. You can't. But what you can do is watch where it's headed, try to channel it, and take advantage of it.
Last edited by tom444; 10-10-2020 at 05:40 AM.
I think that's what SR is saying.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...he-u-s-economy
https://www.thebalance.com/how-immig...conomy-4125413
https://contexts.org/blog/unauthoriz...cal-economies/
I guess it is just more liberal lies? Without those workers that the right is so keen to get rid of, $11 billion in taxes leaves the economy. Prices for most goods and services rise considerably. There would be a net loss of skilled labor and professional jobs as the economy shrunk due to decrease in unskilled positions. Bottom line is that if you work in the trades, undocumented immigration is a problem for you. Almost everywhere else, it is fundamental part of the economy. Removing it would be extremely harmful. Without undocumented/illegal immigrants, we simply don't have a large enough labor force. Ask folks who work in healthcare, without immigrants there wouldn't be staff at nursing homes and long term care facilities. Plus, I don't know of great swathes of farm hands, meat packers, or produce washers that are riding the rails hobo style looking for work...
True. In the basement of most hospitals is Sterile Processing Department. They clean, sterilize and distribute supplies all over a hospital. Many employees there are of international origin and I cant speak to their citizenship status, but I know one department where they have a world map up and everybody puts a pin in where they are from. I will tell you that the majority is not the USA.
Lots of Americans like to complain about immigration, but they dont want to clean their swimming pools, pick produce, landscape their homes or decontaminate bioburden off of medical instruments.
A lady who works for me, she's a US resident from Guatemala, also works at a local nursing home. They used to hire illegal aliens, for decades, there. However, since Trump became president they stopped the practice. Now they can't keep their house keeping personal and the home has suffered.
About 10 years ago an illegal alien from El Salvador worked for me through a cleaning company. She was a good worker who lived in constant fear. I really don't understand the beef against anyone who would go through what many illegals go through to get here and once here work hard at jobs most off us wouldn't do for not much money. Frankly I considered many of them more patriotic Americans than the wannabe dictator Donald Trump, by far.
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