What has happened to the Democratic party?

[steelreserve]

Also funny that unemployment remains the highest in democrat controlled states. But yeah the strong economy, "trump didn't build that, the worst economic recovery since ww2 under obama made that happen"

Obama was handed an economic low point that would have rebounded on its own in a couple years if he just stayed out of the way. Everyone would have called him a genius and given him credit for leading this great recovery.

Instead, he dragged it out to an almost decade-long process by jumping into it and using it as an opportunity to push various social engineering projects (that all failed at tremendous expense), and singlehandedly created half the debt in the history of the country by jacking up government spending permanently. Then had the gall to tell us "this is the new normal, things are bad, America is done being the land of opportunity, get used to it."

Man, these Democrats sure do love a "new normal" where everything sucks and your job is to shut up and deal with it so we can all be miserable together.

It is also just astounding that the Obama administration raised spending by TRILLIONS to vastly expand the government, and somehow poverty, education, and health care all became worse problems, and the space program went backwards. It is almost as if it was being done on purpose to demoralize everyone into accepting their BS "government to the rescue" platform.

[Mach1]

How'd those "shovel ready" jobs work out?

[tom444]

Hows Trumps coal industry doing?

Coal industry will never recover after coronavirus pandemic, say experts

Crisis has proved renewable energy is now a safer investment, and accelerated the shift

Jonathan WattsLast modified on Wed 1 Jul 2020 12.24 EDT

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ic-say-experts

Has Trump lived up to his promise to revive the US coal industry?

FEATURES & ANALYSISPOWERMINING
By James Murray 18 May 2020

Over the past decade, more than 50 coal companies have gone bankrupt and over 100GW of coal capacity has either retired or announced plans to retire

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/fea...coal-industry/


Shovel ready:

[silver & black]

The left is grasping at straws.

[cubanstogie]

The left is grasping at straws.

They’ve been grasping for almost 4 years. Nothing sticks though. I imagine they will keep trying for another 4 as well. What will they impeach for in his next term? Im still waiting for implications froM Mueller report, schiffs evidence of collusion and cohens bombshell he was supposed to drop. Lets see what he says in interview with Lester Holt this week. My guess is nothing burger that libs actually try to run with anyway. Avenatti couldn’t come through, lets see if another Felon can.

[st33lersguy]

They’ve been grasping for almost 4 years. Nothing sticks though. I imagine they will keep trying for another 4 as well. What will they impeach for in his next term? Im still waiting for implications froM Mueller report, schiffs evidence of collusion and cohens bombshell he was supposed to drop. Lets see what he says in interview with Lester Holt this week. My guess is nothing burger that libs actually try to run with anyway. Avenatti couldn’t come through, lets see if another Felon can.

No kidding they've gone from "he did impeachable things regarding Ukraine" to "He said awful things about veterans" in less than a year. Of course we all know more is still coming. There is still more dirt that non-reputable Biden-backed "news" sources will "dig up" (meaning manufacture)

[silver & black]

This is what the Left supports... and they think Biden is going to win...lol.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...f-table-video/

[steelreserve]

This is what the Left supports... and they think Biden is going to win...lol.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...f-table-video/

But that came from a right-wing news site! Obviously it's just a conspiracy theory, and the unedited video footage is lying once again, like it always does! That's the problem with unedited video - it doesn't show the CONTEXT. You have no idea WHY these people were being violent and racist, all you see is them actually being violent and racist!

All this video evidence and live footage is just done to paint the protesters in a bad light! Why, didn't you know OUR left-wing news site did a study and found 90% of the protests have been peaceful? SEE? Our defense is that we're only violent 10% of the time, which is totally acceptable! Take that, you white supremacist! Stop acting like your racist video footage of us being racist is a real argument.

[Mojouw]

So, there's shitty people at all points along the spectrum? What a shock! My worldview is crumbling! How will I ever pick up the pieces?

We could make this a daily thing. Everyone pick a side. Then post an outrageous example of horrific behavior by another side.

Maybe we can work out a sign up sheet? Organization is always key.

[steelreserve]

"But it's BOTH sides doing it!"

Typical leftist response when they get exposed (again) doing blatantly awful shit and there is too much proof to weasel out of it or try to blame their opponents for what they did themselves.

"No really, it's NOT that we do it 100 times more often and far worse, and that it's become a regular feature of our ideology. It's totally both sides! There are loads of conservatives doing this every day, you just never hear about it for some reason! Come on guys, it's totally even, you've gotta believe me or you're (gasp) ... narrow-minded!"

Nah, not falling for that one. It might have worked if you weren't literally doing shit like this EVERY DAY in front of a ton of cameras. Just what kind of suckers do you think people are?

[Mojouw]

Do you want a daily update of people being shitty? It's not like video of terrible behavior is hard to find.

We could post daily videos of Satanists harassing Christians. Or Browns fans peeing on Bengals fans. Pick whatever you want.

People are basically awful terrible beings that regularly do horrific shit.

[silver & black]

Do you want a daily update of people being shitty? It's not like video of terrible behavior is hard to find.

We could post daily videos of Satanists harassing Christians. Or Browns fans peeing on Bengals fans. Pick whatever you want.

People are basically awful terrible beings that regularly do horrific shit.

The things you listed are not even remotely the same thing... and you know it.

[tom444]

The things you listed are not even remotely the same thing... and you know it.

They're exactly the same. There are dumb shits everywhere. Trump rallies, BLM marches, NFL games, the oval office, you name it.

[Mojouw]

The things you listed are not even remotely the same thing... and you know it.

Sure it is. People are tribal about everything. Divide into groups and then yell at the groups that aren't yours. We've been doing it since there were people.

If we want to limit to race, fine. We could post videos of black yelling at white. Or white yelling at black until the heat death of the universe.

You can literally pick any subject or identification that divides people and we could find infinite examples of either side being truly despicable to one another.

[steelreserve]

Sure it is. People are tribal about everything. Divide into groups and then yell at the groups that aren't yours. We've been doing it since there were people.

If we want to limit to race, fine. We could post videos of black yelling at white. Or white yelling at black until the heat death of the universe.

You can literally pick any subject or identification that divides people and we could find infinite examples of either side being truly despicable to one another.

Now defend the fact that the leftist mob does it far more often than the right, and is far more hateful and violent, and that every day there are multiple videos of them openly yelling racist slogans and holding up signs with hateful and racist messages.

This ought to be good.

[Mojouw]

Now defend the fact that the leftist mob does it far more often than the right, and is far more hateful and violent, and that every day there are multiple videos of them openly yelling racist slogans and holding up signs with hateful and racist messages.

This ought to be good.

Again, you've missed the point entirely. There is no more anything.

We have all encased ourselves in digital silos. If you hang out in a right facing one; all you will see is images of violence and hate from the left. If you spend all your time in left facing silo; all you will see is images of violence and hate from the right.

The internet is just an echo chamber for whatever you want to see.

Remember these images? This is just one example from right in my local area:

[steelreserve]

Again, you've missed the point entirely. There is no more anything.

We have all encased ourselves in digital silos. If you hang out in a right facing one; all you will see is images of violence and hate from the left. If you spend all your time in left facing silo; all you will see is images of violence and hate from the right.

The internet is just an echo chamber for whatever you want to see.

Remember these images? This is just one example from right in my local area:

Oh yeah, a guy with a provocative political sign at a football game is totally on par with widespread arson, burglary, assault with deadly weapons, mob intimidation, and attacking police officers on a daily basis.

Both sides are doing it! There's no difference at all! We're imagining it because of the internet! It's all a big wacky world that blends together and no one can tell what's really going on, right guys?

Weak. Let me ask you again: How do you defend the fact that the left are the ones committing 99% of the violence? No - they are, you can't play dumb on this one. It's not a matter of perception at all. It's all right out there in plain sight for everyone to see. So no joke this time, how do you defend it?

[Mojouw]

Oh yeah, a guy with a provocative political sign at a football game is totally on par with widespread arson, burglary, assault with deadly weapons, mob intimidation, and attacking police officers on a daily basis.

Both sides are doing it! There's no difference at all! We're imagining it because of the internet! It's all a big wacky world that blends together and no one can tell what's really going on, right guys?

Weak. Let me ask you again: How do you defend the fact that the left are the ones committing 99% of the violence? No - they are, you can't play dumb on this one. It's not a matter of perception at all. It's all right out there in plain sight for everyone to see. So no joke this time, how do you defend it?

Count the bodies. The police are regularly killing people that have no reason to die. If that had been happening in my community for decades, I would burn shit too.

[Mojouw]

As long as we are talking about burning things, wonder who this dipstick votes for?

https://www.boston25news.com/news/tr...JRHDWWQPKE5SU/

[steelreserve]

Count the bodies. The police are regularly killing people that have no reason to die. If that had been happening in my community for decades, I would burn shit too.

Well, no they really aren't - but it seems that the best argument you can come up with is, "Yes, we ARE being violent, but it's ok. Violence is ok if you're mad at something I agree with." It took some prodding, but glad you revealed your true colors for everyone.

By the way, how do you account for the fact that most of those committing violence are neither black, nor from the communities you claim are suffering these injustices? Perfect 10/10 score from the judges incoming for those gymnastics.

[tom444]

- - - Updated - - -

What's this?

Alabama newspaper editor calls on KKK to lynch Democrats

• 19 February 2019

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Image copyrightBUYENLARGE VIA GETTY IMAGESImage caption
The editor and publisher of a local paper in Alabama is under fire for penning an editorial calling for mass lynchings by the Ku Klux Klan (KKK).
The opinion piece ran in his print-only newspaper, the Democrat-Reporter, last Thursday, Goodloe Sutton confirmed on Tuesday.
He said Democrats were going to raise taxes and that the KKK should hang them and raid Washington DC.

Alabama lawmakers have called for Sutton to resign.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47295551

[Mach1]

Count the bodies. The police are regularly killing people that have no reason to die. If that had been happening in my community for decades, I would burn shit too.

Because police are going out and randomly killing people? Is that true or did you hear it on cnn?

How many people have these innocent peaceful protesters killed?

Yet you have zero problems with this sort of shit.



Broadway play the left applauded.





And finally the left openly calling for violence.

[Mojouw]

Well, no they really aren't - but it seems that the best argument you can come up with is, "Yes, we ARE being violent, but it's ok. Violence is ok if you're mad at something I agree with." It took some prodding, but glad you revealed your true colors for everyone.

By the way, how do you account for the fact that most of those committing violence are neither black, nor from the communities you claim are suffering these injustices? Perfect 10/10 score from the judges incoming for those gymnastics.

As I have said, if you reject the starting premise that there is racism still alive in well in this country and that the police kill people that do not need to die on a regular basis, then there really isn't anything else to talk about.

This all started because it was claimed that a video of a black women yelling at a white man was somehow unprecedented in scale and response. I then indicated that you can find people doing shitty things all the time. Then you moved the goalposts to looting and violence. I have countered that before that there are opportunists and extremists on all sides and if one side has to be defined by and answer for theirs; so does the other. You have rejected that claim repeatedly.

All cultural change is violent. It always has been and almost certainly always will be. When people feel that they have no choice but shitty ones, well don't corner a predator and all that.

- - - Updated - - -

Because police are going out and randomly killing people? Is that true or did you hear it on cnn?

How many people have these innocent peaceful protesters killed?

Yet you have zero problems with this sort of shit.



Broadway play the left applauded.





And finally the left openly calling for violence.

How do you know what I do and don't have a problem with? Have you ever asked?

[tom444]

Because police are going out and randomly killing people? Is that true or did you hear it on cnn?

How many people have these innocent peaceful protesters killed?

Yet you have zero problems with this sort of shit.



Broadway play the left applauded.





And finally the left openly calling for violence.

In other words you got nothin' son.

[cubanstogie]

Delusional is all I can say. “Cops killing innocent people”. First of all twice as many whites killed by cops, secondly how exactly is one innocent . Oh I get what you did you didn’t say innocent, you said people who dont need to die. Way to choose words, no one needs to die. Its choices and accountability, most killed by cops made bad choices and were held accountable by actions they chose. You couldn’t use innocent because they aren’t. If you dont want to die at hands of cops,obey commands and dont fight them. If they want to be proactive they could obey law and not have run ins.

[cubanstogie]

There are extremists on both side , but when politicians on left , media and pro athletes endorse and promote the violent, extremists it has gone from a few extremists to a party of extremists. That is big difference.

[Mojouw]

Delusional is all I can say. “Cops killing innocent people”. First of all twice as many whites killed by cops, secondly how exactly is one innocent . Oh I get what you did you didn’t say innocent, you said people who dont need to die. Way to choose words, no one needs to die. Its choices and accountability, most killed by cops made bad choices and were held accountable by actions they chose. You couldn’t use innocent because they aren’t. If you dont want to die at hands of cops,obey commands and dont fight them. If they want to be proactive they could obey law and not have run ins.

Right. Because cops are never wrong and shitty at their jobs. Explain to me how this guy was out of line?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

[steelreserve]

As I have said, if you reject the starting premise that there is racism still alive in well in this country and that the police kill people that do not need to die on a regular basis, then there really isn't anything else to talk about.

What there is to talk about is whether these people are being violent in response to an actual problem, or being violent because of an imagined problem that they have convinced themselves exists.

The first case is still totally unacceptable, by the way. But I strongly suspect that it is the second.

So really, what we are talking about is whether they are committing ordinary crime, or have completely gone off the deep end.

This all started because it was claimed that a video of a black women yelling at a white man was somehow unprecedented in scale and response. I then indicated that you can find people doing shitty things all the time. Then you moved the goalposts to looting and violence. I have countered that before that there are opportunists and extremists on all sides and if one side has to be defined by and answer for theirs; so does the other. You have rejected that claim repeatedly.

No, you moved the goalposts. I am saying that the left is more violent and hateful than the right, and on a more widespread basis. That is the premise, full stop. You continue to respond by referring to isolated cases of poor behavior by the right, and saying that because of that the two sides are "both doing it" and it is the same - ignoring the fact that the leftists' violence is far more severe and far more widespread, and happens on a far more regular (and ongoing) basis. You have never once refuted that, just offered the same lame and obviously flawed counter every time. It doesn't work. Your side is the violent one and it is in the wrong.

All cultural change is violent. It always has been and almost certainly always will be. When people feel that they have no choice but shitty ones, well don't corner a predator and all that.

Yup, once again, "Violence is ok when I agree with the reason." Thanks for confirming what I just said.. Imagine if everybody behaved that way. What total scum the left have become - if you are not flat-out embarrassed to be supporting any of it, there is something wrong with you.

[cubanstogie]

Right. Because cops are never wrong and shitty at their jobs. Explain to me how this guy was out of line?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

Cops make mistakes all the time. When adrenaline going in a dynamic situation and decisions are made things rarely go as planned. Should they he held accountable? Absolutely IMO, but to blame it on racism is incorrect. I don’t think cops set out to harm, kill or even arrest black men over white , asian , or hispanic. Im sure there are exceptions, there is racists in every occupation. In the Blake case I ask myself why the cops didn’t tackle him and move in faster, I also ask why was he resisting and was he reaching for knife. I don’t have the facts, except for the fact he was wanted on rape and wasn’t complying. He paid the price. Was it because he was black? I don’t believe it was. He was treated as a non complying criminal, not a black man.

[Mojouw]

Cops make mistakes all the time. When adrenaline going in a dynamic situation and decisions are made things rarely go as planned. Should they he held accountable? Absolutely IMO, but to blame it on racism is incorrect. I don’t think cops set out to harm, kill or even arrest black men over white , asian , or hispanic. Im sure there are exceptions, there is racists in every occupation. In the Blake case I ask myself why the cops didn’t tackle him and move in faster, I also ask why was he resisting and was he reaching for knife. I don’t have the facts, except for the fact he was wanted on rape and wasn’t complying. He paid the price. Was it because he was black? I don’t believe it was. He was treated as a non complying criminal, not a black man.

Ok. Then why are police and police unions adamantly against change? Why did the Kenosha PD refuse body cams? Why do the Kenosha PD (and departments across the country) regularly point their squad cars towards walls and raise the hood to defeat dashcams before interacting with people?

Police have a severe problem with the overuse of lethal and non-lethal force. I feel for them, because there is a growing body of evidence and accounts that they are very poorly trained. There is a culture of silence and no accountability to anyone outside law enforcement.

Something has got to change. I strongly believe that race is a major factor in how individuals are treated by the police. Yourself and others do not. That's fine. But the police are far too often deadly bad at their jobs.