Tampa Bay disagrees.Originally Posted by Six Rings
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Tampa Bay disagrees.
I can’t...I don’t want to see an End Game Spoiler...
Enthroned Into The Good Old Boys Club - 2024
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After drafting AB then giving him the contract over Wallace, letting Sanders/Wallace walk instead of offering 1st WR money, drafting JuJu in the 2nd when nobody(NOBODY) was talking him to the Steelers, after knowing what Bryant 'could have been' if he could have gotten his mind right, how can you 2nd guess the Steelers when it comes to evaluating WRs in the draft? It has been learned that Bruce Arians was taking this guy(DJ) with his next pick so it was a now or never pick. Let go young padawan, trust the process. Diontae Johnson is Hollywood Brown without the baggage, AB without the age and drama, and he has JuJu as his mentor now.
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How totally true.
I looked at his combine profile and a few highlights from this past year vs Miami and Buffalo. He had TD catches in both, one taking a deep hook vs Miami to the end zone, the TD vs Buffalo was just a straight go where he got a good release off the attempted jam and just outran the corner. Looks to play faster than the 4.53 indicates.
Lance Zeirline had a 3rd round grade on him in the evaluation. He played outside mostly in their formations, so Moncrief, Washington, Johnson all look like guys that don't need to play in the slot.
Absolutely true!!! I’ve had to be extremely careful.
Do NOT Google (or follow) LeSean McCoy. Apparently, he spoiled the ending. WTF!?!
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
not sure about those sites. im talking about the same ones that said he was a top 10 and would be drafted before white, hockenson and williams
sorry mojouw,
this one doesnt get it and keeps bringing it up
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The biggest indicator that this kid is going to be a good wide receiver is that Kevin Colbert drafted him.
well , actually from what I heard it was Mike Tomlin who pointed him out to our WR coach .... not sure if Tomlin got him from Colbert or if he found him himself ( being a former WR himself )
guessing they probably had their eye on him from scouting Ola last year ? ( just a guess )
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
I’m good now. Saw it this mornings...can return to the internets...
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Yea,we all know we don,t need any help in the punt or kick returning phase of the game anyway. Wish you worked in the front office.
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No spoilers!!!
But, on a scale from "Aquaman to Spider-man" ...how was it?
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So Rudolph had a first round grade on last year's board and Johnson had a first round grade on this year's board
Since they both were picked in the third round I guess second round pick Limas Sweed had a #1 pick grade on the Steelers 2008 draft board
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100 players could check enough boxes to have first round grades. But a guy with a second round grade could be the better pick. BPA does have to intersect with need at some point.
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Or you can be puffing a pick that took heat by saying the pick graded out as a first round pick on your board or, as you note, have a board with three times the number of players drafted in the first round having a first round grade
Not criticizing the pick, criticizing a claim by a front office when you know you will not be called to produce the documentation
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What reason would they have to lie about where they graded a player? Everybody of importance was in the warroom with the board.
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You can say whatever you want when nobody is going to call you on it
No big deal - it just seems like a gratuitous look how smart we are claim for a player that was not regarded as first or second round level talent on any draft ranking I saw and a card that the Steelers have now decided to play two years in a row for a third round pick
Obviously hope it works out and with the Steelers track record (leaving aside exceptions such as Sweed and Sammie Coates) the odds are it will
To be fair the year we drafted Limas was a horrible draft all around for the Steelers and if I am not mistaken not a good draft class for the NFL as a whole. I could be wrong but I thought I heard that somewhere.You can say whatever you want when nobody is going to call you on it
No big deal - it just seems like a gratuitous look how smart we are claim for a player that was not regarded as first or second round level talent on any draft ranking I saw and a card that the Steelers have now decided to play two years in a row for a third round pick
Obviously hope it works out and with the Steelers track record (leaving aside exceptions such as Sweed and Sammie Coates) the odds are it will
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Simplest way to understand it is put a check beside the criteria you want for a player that that player meets. If you have a list of 10 on your list and that player meets 9 or 10 of those criteria then that player gets a first round grade. Has zero to do with how the draftnik mock drafters make their boards at all.
Over 5'9" check
Over 150lbs check
Faster than 4.55/40 check
and so on equals 1st round grade. Like I posted before, and it wasn't sarcasm, they could have 100 players meet their 1st round criteria. We know Devin Bush did and he's short. A few years ago Cam Sutton had a 1st round grade by probably every team. then an injury dropped him down boards. If the Steelers FO didn't put much stock in the injury concern, Sutton could still have had a 1st round grade and ended up a 3rd round pick. There's really no reason to lie about it. If Diontae Johnson fails miserably, saying you had a 1st round grade on him makes you look incompetent. It just makes no sense.
I never understood the logic that you can only have 32 first round grades. Some years you may have 55 and other years you may have 22.
As long as you are consistent in your criteria and evaluation methods, that is the key thing.
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Exactly. Who knows how many players reached the 1st round grade criteria for Tomlin/Colbert and co? They will never tell exactly what that criteria is or how many meet it each year.
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Limas was a very talented player who just didn't work out because he lost confidence in his ability to catch. He probably was as good at getting separation from a DB as any receiver we've had. And his catching problems were strictly game day from what I've heard. In practice he rarely dropped a ball. It's just one of those sports things such Steve Blass disease or Steve Sax inexplicably losing the ability to throw the ball to first base.
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Regardless of what their grade was , they were delighted to pick him where they did and I'm thinking they believe he'll pay quick dividends on the field this season. I love the pick.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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For those concerned about the level of competition in the MAC not being reliable indicator of talent. Johnson may have had his best game last season against the Miami Hurricanes. They probably had 3 NFL level players in their secondary. He caught 6 passes for 119 and 2TD's against them.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
Yes, here is a copy of that game. He beats Michael Jackson on a couple go routes where he beats the press coverage and the QB put it just over the top. Jackson was a 5th round pick of the Cowboys.
Johnson has a couple WR screens, his first TD was a slant that was tipped by the OLB, but he was in the seam and open. The other TD is approx. a 15 yard dig, that he catches in the slot and then reverses his field and takes to the end zone. He seems to have a lateral hop move that he often uses to beat the jam and go. Looks like he is capable of working from the slot and also the X.
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Johnson wears jersey #3
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Randy Moss played in the MAC...
I don't really get how people can get worked up over round projections and grades after rounds 1-2. Once you get past that, there's so much subjectivity with any pick that basically you are just asking "What do you think of this guy?" The only time I think there's really a reason to get mad in R3, and certainly R4 or later, is when there's a clearly better player at the same position available, or when you picked a guy in R4-5 that was obviously going to be there in R6 or R7 if he was drafted at all. The reason(s) why people are kind of mad about that WTF tight end pick.
See you Space Cowboy ...
True. The point is to look at what he can do on the field and against another player in the Miami game who is deemed draftable.
Look at that video I posted and look for #3 at :
-10:00 mark. Sits down in a seam and catches the TD pass, not that challenging of a route or recognition, but good hands on tip drill
-11:30 mark, gets the release and runs the 9, with a nice catch over the head of Dallas 5th round pick.(he catches 2 like that in this game)
-13:00 mark, he runs the dig from the slot and makes the catch, then quickly changes direction for the run to the house.
I like what I see from him in his release from the line, his hands, his ability to change direction and the CB, #28 Michael Jackson that he beats on the routes ran a 4.45 at the combine.
WR Diontae Johnson — The Steelers had a first-round grade on Johnson and still got him in the third round, which makes the pick even more tantalizing. Johnson was the most underrated receiver in the draft and has a chance to be a reliable target for Ben Roethlisberger right away. That’s because he has a good understanding of route combinations and runs precise routes. Grade: A
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...s/201904290093
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