round table on Tomlin / Steelers
round table on Tomlin / Steelers
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
I don't think there's much arguing that there has been way too much extracurricular bullshit going on the last couple years, and it has progressed from the standard "distraction" that every team has and doesn't really do anything, to stuff that is really hurting the team's ability to be competitive.
How much of that is the coach's fault, versus a couple of individual diva players just being jerks? I dont know. As far as coaching, I'm much more concerned about things like sub-par player development and the same defensive problems over and over, which there can be no mistake are coaching-related.
Of course, this shit doesn't help his cause, but that's different from saying he IS the cause.
If Tomlin was otherwise a rock-solid coach that didn't have those other issues, I guess you could chalk this up to bad luck .. But those two problems on their own are likely going to keep us from winning any more championships in the near future. So fine, fuck it, throw the diva mess on the pile if it helps begin the process of changing that.
Rooney / Colbert will never fire Tomlin, though. The AB mess has made it clear there's not half a backbone between the two of them.
See you Space Cowboy ...
Perhaps, but you can't put the AB and Bell thing on Tomlin.
Tomlin didn't make Bell do rap songs saying he wanted a huge payday, we all seen this coming.
Tomlin didn't make AB go nuts and throw a couch off the balcony, or want to back out of his contract for a huge payday
I do think he should have punished AB harder for that facebook live video in the locker room. In no way is BS like that acceptable. At the same time, what do you do, he's your best player outside of Ben, and you're in the AFC Championship game. What are they gonna do, suspend him and shoot their chances of winning? I know people are gonna say Billy B. benched Malcolm Butler in the SB, but we can mostly agree that AB is a great player on the field, Butler was just good. I guess this is where I'm glad I'm not the coach, either decision you make you'll get raked over the coals by the fans.
Money just does things to some people. One year Bell was tweeting that he loves the game and doesn't play for money, next thing you know he's rapping about not signing a contract unless they give him 15 mil.
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Like I said Rooney, Colbert, and Tomlin are of the same mind. When you only have people around you who are like-minded, your ideas are going to be very similar. What is needed is someone with different ideas, different perspectives and different ways of approaching and solving problems. Instead, you have the 3 amigos, Rooney, Colbert and Tomlin, then you have the good old buddies from days of future past, Tomlin, Butler, and Fitch. I expect very little change.
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I’m neither in agreement nor disagreement. There are definitely some head scratching moments these past few seasons on and off the field. Truth is I don’t know how much or how little each was directly influenced by Tomlin. What I do know is personnel-wise there have been serious issues that this coaching staff have done an excellent job navigating. Just listing the obvious ones everybody knows like Martavious, Ladarious, Bell, AB, Gilbert, Burnett, Ridley, and probably a few others not listed. With all these clowns doing their own individual clown acts or just not available as planned, the Steelers were one damn win away from repeating as division champs. Like I said Tomlin has his faults but job number one is put guys in position to win. Tomlin does that better than 99% of the other HCs in the league.
Report: Tomlin told players Brown will be gone when his production goes down
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 25, 2019
Mike Tomlin has reportedly been telling Steelers players for years that he’ll tolerate wide receiver Antonio Brown only so long as he’s playing at an All-Pro level.
A new report from ESPN says that Tomlin was sick and tired of Brown’s chronic tardiness, and told other players it would be addressed — just as soon as Brown stopped playing like one of the best wide receivers in football.
“[Tomlin] essentially told the group, we’ll tolerate it now because of what he brings on the field, but the minute production stops, you don’t overlook it,” one unnamed ex-Steeler said.
If that’s the case, it was foolish of the Steelers to give Brown the four-year, $68 million extension he got two years ago. If the Steelers were already preparing for a time when Brown became more trouble than he was worth, they shouldn’t have given him a big new deal that made him more expensive — and harder to move on from once they decided they couldn’t take it anymore.
But ESPN says it has confirmed with nearly 20 current or former Steelers that it’s been an ongoing problem with Brown, and that the team always knew it wasn’t going to last long.
to read rest of article:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ion-goes-down/
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Tomlin is a politician not a coach. He's got the #1 skill of one. Bullshit
No he didn't directly but that's like saying a parent isn't partially responsible for raising a total douche bag kid. In a way they are. Tomlin allowed the two of them to get away with things far too long. Ben as well. Do you really think Belichick would have stood for these two morons LIVE streaming in the locker room? I know you mentioned this but I really think Belichick would have benched the two of them for the first quarter (it wasn't the AFC Championship game is was the divisional round).Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
Tomlin better use this opportunity to tighten the ship down. He simply has to stop being their friend and instead be their coach regardless of who they are. They also say a successful parent isn't their kids' friend but instead their parent first.
Yeah I agree with that, I've always thought he was a bit too friendly with the good players on the team. And the AB / Bell relationship was irreparable by now, after getting rid of them, it's given him another opportunity to right the ship. If he blows it again he should be gone.
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I’ve been saying it for years and am on record that Tomlin is all bravado but in reality lacks confrontational skills. After a while, this demeanor gets exposed.
First of all, LB was never a problem child. He got wrapped up with Blount and that was it. One time offense. Young, made a mistake, was never a locker room problem. He was guilty of trying to build a brand. He made bad rap music instead of selling cupcakes or buying real estate or running a farm. He wanted more money, held out, went about it the wrong way and lost money. He was never in a category with AB.
AB on the other hand was treated special, treated differently from other players, went from a humble, everybody loves him type of guy to a full fledged five alarm diva. This guy was sworn up and down by fans to be the greatest thing since pierogies! Then somewhere it totally went sideways. Tomlin and the front office TOTALLY threw gasoline on that fire by treating him differently. He shouldve been humbled by the team from the first sight of wanting special treatment and Tomlin botched that worse than Boswells infamous onside kick attempt. These guys go to training camp to bond and this guy gets his own house? Dafuq does Tomlin let that happen? You cant say that these guys didnt contribute to AB turning diva.
Tomlin needs to start going more by the rule book. I mentioned the story in another thread where he did it after the losing streak that started in Miami and he was strict and by the book. The team went on to lose four games in a row and then Tomlin buckled down and the team rattled off 9 wins and lost to the Patriots in the conference championship. That Tomlin need to be present... not the players friend Tomlin.
ive said it for ten years now, tomlin won with cowhers players.
that group had talent and veteran leadership. im sure tomlin brought in a new, positive vibe that rejuvenates teams that have heard the same ol stuff every year
tomlion has had more than enough talent the past 4-5 years to win a super bowl but he doesnt have the leadership from the players. he lacks the leadership, X's and O's and his speil that was refreshing 12 years ago is beyond stale. tomlins ego of being better than anyone has rubbed off on the team. i think that why we play down to terrible teams. he thinks they can just out of the field and win without putting i the effort. he has become complacent and so has the team
i truly feel almost any coach could have come to pittsburgh and had his success. maybe not as well in the regular season but the post season has be pathetic the last 8 years
its way past time for a new voice
Coaching and management are part of the problem. James Harrison was cut, they unloaded Bryant yet problems and distractions remained. And coaching and management have been problems holding the team back in recent years in general. Excited to be "cancer free" without bell and a.b.? Too bad the f.o. Is essentially wasting the first year cancer free to continue operating under the misguided belief that Keith butler is a viable option as d.c. and the other coaches that remained have underperformed. 2015-16 drafts have yielded little to nothing as had the players they recently signed as free agents/traded for in the last few years not named Joe Haden (they wasted a draft pick on Justin Gilbert for crying out loud). And then art wants to sit back and somehow say that there isn't drama because they almost won the division after t taking a big lead into late November (a sentiment parroted by the gm)? And they then retain a multitude of not just shirty coaches but also players (Danny smith retained, bud Dupree gets $9.2 mil, chickillo gets $4 mil). Front office and coaching have definitely contributed to this teams inability to take advantage of a week afc and aside from letting bell go and unloading Brown while simultaneously getting played like a fiddle by both brown and the raiders, nothing appears to have changed
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and Cowher only won one Super Bowl in 16 years with Cowher's players, I wonder why that was since they were so good?
And Cowher only won with Rooney's Quarterback
"Zeds dead baby, Zeds dead." - Butch
wonder how many he would have won with a HOF qb his entire time?and Cowher only won one Super Bowl in 16 years with Cowher's players, I wonder why that was since they were so good?
Bill Belichick won his first three Super Bowls with Pete Carrolls players.
And... with videotape.
yup, too bad rooney didnt realize earlier that he needed a HOF qb
Dan Rooney did realize it which is why he overruled Cowher who wanted to pick OL Shawn Andrews instead of Big Ben.
https://steelersdepot.com/2017/04/fr...oethlisberger/
and has dominated with his owns player the last 15 years, even when they had inferior talent. went to 6 , won 3
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thats what i said. rooney should have drafted a HOF qb earlier in cowhers career instead of giving him trash to work with
maybe Cowher should have valued the QB position more...
who should he have drafted?
'it was Bill Cowher at head coach, who never really seemed to value the quarterback position the way it is today.
Cowher admitted it years later in an interview, talking about his strategy of playing stout defense and running the football. “I don’t know if you can win a championship like that”, he said. “We did that for many years and fell short without a quarterback”.'
https://steelersdepot.com/2017/04/fr...oethlisberger/
ok, who should he have drafted?
Drew Brees
don't try to change the subject because you're losing the argument.
you said Tomlin only won because of Cowher's players. do you mean the same ones that had a 6-7 playoff record under Cowher and went 8-8 the year before Tomlin took over?
Drew Brees
yup, thats the only good/great qb that cowher could have drafted
True... Tom Brady isn’t good, let alone great.
Tom Brady?
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