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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    Bummer. What about David Long (LB one) or Germaine Pratt in rd 2 or 3?
    rd 3 or later on both IMO ...

    rd 4 is more on target but with limited run and hit / coverage style inside backers and several teams coveting them they could be gone sooner than expected
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I see school must have let out for the day.

    Bottom line: Based on recent draft trends, team needs, the FA class, and a variety of other factors, if you want to draft either White or Bush -- you are gonna almost certainly get a pick north of #15 and potentially north of #12.
    Devin White most likely doesn't get past the Lions at #8 and Devin Bush past the Bungals at #11.

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Devin White most likely doesn't get past the Lions at #8 and Devin Bush past the Bungals at #11.
    Pretty close to what this place thinks: https://www.rotoworld.com/article/mo...ncy-mock-draft

    They have the Devins going #10 and #11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    rd 3 or later on both IMO ...

    rd 4 is more on target but with limited run and hit / coverage style inside backers and several teams coveting them they could be gone sooner than expected
    I'm still reading and researching, but what do you think the drop off between White and Bush and Long and Pratt is? A massive amount, or not as big as is being stated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Devin White most likely doesn't get past the Lions at #8 and Devin Bush past the Bungals at #11.
    Agree 100%!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Devin White most likely doesn't get past the Lions at #8 and Devin Bush past the Bungals at #11.
    I've seen a few Mocks that have the Lions taking Hockenson @8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Pretty close to what this place thinks: https://www.rotoworld.com/article/mo...ncy-mock-draft

    They have the Devins going #10 and #11.

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    I'm still reading and researching, but what do you think the drop off between White and Bush and Long and Pratt is? A massive amount, or not as big as is being stated?
    1. Liar!!!

    2. There are two top-tier ILBs, and then a decently-sized group of “late Day 2” ILBs. Of course, there is always a Darius Leonard or a Deion Jones who seemingly get “overdrafted”... yet, do not disappoint. In other words...

    Top 20, er, Top 10: White, Bush
    R2: who knows?
    R3-R4: Wilson, Pratt, Burr-Kirven, Hanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    1. Liar!!!

    2. There are two top-tier ILBs, and then a decently-sized group of “late Day 2” ILBs. Of course, there is always a Darius Leonard or a Deion Jones who seemingly get “overdrafted”... yet, do not disappoint. In other words...

    Top 20, er, Top 10: White, Bush
    R2: who knows?
    R3-R4: Wilson, Pratt, Burr-Kirven, Hanks...
    So maybe it isn't "The Devins or Bust?". Perhaps what they do in Round 1 will tell us how they internally view the roster?

    In other words, trade up and they think they can make a SB run. Stand pat and they figure they are an off-season cycle or two away anyways, so why burn draft capital?

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    So maybe it isn't "The Devins or Bust?". Perhaps what they do in Round 1 will tell us how they internally view the roster?

    In other words, trade up and they think they can make a SB run. Stand pat and they figure they are an off-season cycle or two away anyways, so why burn draft capital?
    Ben is most likely only going to play a couple more years, I think we have to take the "all-in now" approach every season we still have him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    So maybe it isn't "The Devins or Bust?". Perhaps what they do in Round 1 will tell us how they internally view the roster?

    In other words, trade up and they think they can make a SB run. Stand pat and they figure they are an off-season cycle or two away anyways, so why burn draft capital?
    There’s also the “moneyball” approach.

    Most teams only routinely hit on 40% of their draft picks. Draft ten players. Keep four of them.

    Also, you trade down in R2-R3 for extra draft picks in the next year’s draft (e.g. #66 for a R2 & a R4 in 2020... so that you already have nine draft picks for next year).

    At the same time, when “your guy” is within striking distance, you have the draft collateral to acquire him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Ben is most likely only going to play a couple more years, I think we have to take the "all-in now" approach every season we still have him.
    It does appear that way, most of these new signings and extensions are the 2 year kind, as if we're trying to accomplish it all in 2 years and

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I see school must have let out for the day.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...s-fill-ab-void

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/...9ers-cardinals

    https://www.thehuddlereport.com/md.Drew.shtml (oops! #15. Guess I better pack it in)

    https://thedraftnetwork.com/prospect-rankings (oops! off by 3. Dang!)

    As to the rest of it, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that everyone else understood what I meant and what I was driving at. So I'm not going to do a blow by blow recap here.

    Bottom line: Based on recent draft trends, team needs, the FA class, and a variety of other factors, if you want to draft either White or Bush -- you are gonna almost certainly get a pick north of #15 and potentially north of #12.


    sweet, if thats is as close as you will get to admitting that you lied and made it up, ill take it
    see, that wasnt t so hard, was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I see school must have let out for the day.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...s-fill-ab-void

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/...9ers-cardinals

    https://www.thehuddlereport.com/md.Drew.shtml (oops! #15. Guess I better pack it in)

    https://thedraftnetwork.com/prospect-rankings (oops! off by 3. Dang!)

    As to the rest of it, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that everyone else understood what I meant and what I was driving at. So I'm not going to do a blow by blow recap here.

    Bottom line: Based on recent draft trends, team needs, the FA class, and a variety of other factors, if you want to draft either White or Bush -- you are gonna almost certainly get a pick north of #15 and potentially north of #12.


    sweet, if thats is as close as you will get to admitting that you lied and made it up, ill take it
    see, that wasnt t so hard, was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I see school must have let out for the day.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...s-fill-ab-void

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/...9ers-cardinals

    https://www.thehuddlereport.com/md.Drew.shtml (oops! #15. Guess I better pack it in)

    https://thedraftnetwork.com/prospect-rankings (oops! off by 3. Dang!)

    As to the rest of it, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that everyone else understood what I meant and what I was driving at. So I'm not going to do a blow by blow recap here.

    Bottom line: Based on recent draft trends, team needs, the FA class, and a variety of other factors, if you want to draft either White or Bush -- you are gonna almost certainly get a pick north of #15 and potentially north of #12.


    sweet, if thats is as close as you will get to admitting that you lied and made it up, ill take it
    see, that wasnt t so hard, was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by munchy View Post
    sweet, if thats is as close as you will get to admitting that you lied and made it up, ill take it
    see, that wasnt t so hard, was it?
    Like it's not enough that I've got to deal with you on footballsfuture.com. I hope you're more tolerable here than there.

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by munchy View Post
    sweet, if thats is as close as you will get to admitting that you lied and made it up, ill take it
    see, that wasnt t so hard, was it?

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    sweet, if thats is as close as you will get to admitting that you lied and made it up, ill take it
    see, that wasnt t so hard, was it?

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    sweet, if thats is as close as you will get to admitting that you lied and made it up, ill take it
    see, that wasnt t so hard, was it?
    Nope. Didn't lie at all. Nor did I make anything up. I took in information from the internet and then I made my own opinion. I stand by my statement, but will walk it back a bit if that makes you feel like a man. Devin Bush will go top 10 ish in the draft.

    Overall, I will make this real simple for you: I do not think you are very smart. I think you intentionally twist and manipulate statements made on the internet into pedantic arguments because your child-like mind needs to win message board debates to compensate for your overall crushing failure as a human being. I also think that you have nothing valuable to offer as your own opinion or insight, just a loud and forceful regurgitation of thoughts created by better more capable people than you. The problem is your feeble mind is unable to actually understand those thoughts and when you attempt to wield them, you just sound like the guy who uses words he doesn't understand in an attempt to not seem like the dumbest paste-eating moron in the room. Almost all the other morons I encounter in my life, I have to be nice to because I got bills to pay. But you, you I don't have to be nice too.

    And before you fly off the handle again - remember how this started. I simply suggested in a snarky way that you read better draft sites. That was all. I've snarked at numerous other posters here in the same manner on multiple occasions. Most take it for what it is -- a harmless swipe to lighten the mood a bit. You managed to turn it into some deep personal attack on your fundamental character as a person. So fine, we can have that conversation. I've said my piece. And I get that this is exactly what you want - for me to engage and take the discussion down to your level. At least there you have a chance of competing, right? If we talked about actual information, opinions, and football trends -- where would you be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    There’s also the “moneyball” approach.

    Most teams only routinely hit on 40% of their draft picks. Draft ten players. Keep four of them.

    Also, you trade down in R2-R3 for extra draft picks in the next year’s draft (e.g. #66 for a R2 & a R4 in 2020... so that you already have nine draft picks for next year).

    At the same time, when “your guy” is within striking distance, you have the draft collateral to acquire him.
    I would be really into the idea that if you don't trade up in the first round or up into the high second, start trading back for 2020 picks. A couple extra and that likely 3rd round comp pick, you have some real ammunition for a big move in 2020.

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post



    I would be really into the idea that if you don't trade up in the first round or up into the high second, start trading back for 2020 picks. A couple extra and that likely 3rd round comp pick, you have some real ammunition for a big move in 2020.
    I disagree. If they don't trade up, I think you take BPA and get 4 good young players in the first 2 days. I think you can get guys at TE, WR, ILB, OLB or CB that can maybe contribute this year or next and help to spread cap room around to other veteran players that will need contracts. I think those 5th round picks are sweet spots for rotational guys on D line, O line, OLB, or special teamers. Just have to pick football players and not project athletes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    I disagree. If they don't trade up, I think you take BPA and get 4 good young players in the first 2 days. I think you can get guys at TE, WR, ILB, OLB or CB that can maybe contribute this year or next and help to spread cap room around to other veteran players that will need contracts. I think those 5th round picks are sweet spots for rotational guys on D line, O line, OLB, or special teamers. Just have to pick football players and not project athletes.
    I guess my thought was if you only trade back say 6-1-0 picks at a few points, you still get those players plus you get something else to try and do the same with next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I guess my thought was if you only trade back say 6-1-0 picks at a few points, you still get those players plus you get something else to try and do the same with next year.
    Sure, but I guess I am thinking their a lot of good players in this draft in areas they can upgrade for youth. Then not have to pay veteran contracts for guys like Vance McDonald, Dupree, Chickillo, AluAlu, Bostic, etc by 2020.

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Sure, but I guess I am thinking their a lot of good players in this draft in areas they can upgrade for youth. Then not have to pay veteran contracts for guys like Vance McDonald, Dupree, Chickillo, AluAlu, Bostic, etc by 2020.
    That's a really good point. I think they are trying to walk a knife edge in this off-season and next. Improve and win now with Ben R still around. While at the same time build a competitive core for the next run under whoever comes next at QB (Rudolph. other draft pick, whatever). That is a really tough needle to thread! Especially because rookies rarely make SB level contributions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    That's a really good point. I think they are trying to walk a knife edge in this off-season and next. Improve and win now with Ben R still around. While at the same time build a competitive core for the next run under whoever comes next at QB (Rudolph. other draft pick, whatever). That is a really tough needle to thread! Especially because rookies rarely make SB level contributions.
    Rookies don't need to make SB contributions right now IMO. I do think a playmaker could be added at TE or ILB that really helps the team this year. I don't think this team has the talent level to make it to the AFCCG, so just looking for improvement to watch some competitive football instead of squabbling and wasted talent like the past couple seasons.

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Rookies don't need to make SB contributions right now IMO. I do think a playmaker could be added at TE or ILB that really helps the team this year. I don't think this team has the talent level to make it to the AFCCG, so just looking for improvement to watch some competitive football instead of squabbling and wasted talent like the past couple seasons.
    Ok. I just think that we all over-state the abilities of a rookie class to impact in year 1. The next rookie TE who does next to anything might be the first. That is one of the longest times to impact. Most rookie WR are more like Washington than Juju. Leonard and maybe Deion Jones are two of the few rookie backers that I can remember really taking off right away.

    I guess the question, for me, is that does the draft class change if you go "compete now" versus "best long term team"? And as much as it sucks, I have to fall on the best long term team side of that decision.

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2019/...nnen-williams/

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...iders-take-qbs

    https://thegamehaus.com/2019-nfl-moc...20/2019/03/20/

    More lies and made up mock drafts. I'm getting really good at quickly knocking off websites. Any of you all need something whipped up to convince an employer that you were offered a $500 K a year job from an amazing little start-up?

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Ok. I just think that we all over-state the abilities of a rookie class to impact in year 1. The next rookie TE who does next to anything might be the first. That is one of the longest times to impact. Most rookie WR are more like Washington than Juju. Leonard and maybe Deion Jones are two of the few rookie backers that I can remember really taking off right away.

    I guess the question, for me, is that does the draft class change if you go "compete now" versus "best long term team"? And as much as it sucks, I have to fall on the best long term team side of that decision.
    Heath Miller had 39 catches and 6TD his rookie year. I think he was a big contributor that year with blocking and receiving. I also think that one of the top 3 TE's instantly upgrades the position for the Steelers.

    I also think that if Devin Bush falls to #20, that he ends up pushing either Bostic or Vinny to a backup role by the first week that we play the Ravens, as neither have the speed to run with Lamar Jackson. That or Barron plays more in a sub package look, but I still think that all the swing passes that some posters pointed out Christian McCaffrey (and other RB) was easily receiving vs the Steelers last season, would be limited by somebody with the skills of Devin Bush

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Heath Miller had 39 catches and 6TD his rookie year. I think he was a big contributor that year with blocking and receiving. I also think that one of the top 3 TE's instantly upgrades the position for the Steelers.

    I also think that if Devin Bush falls to #20, that he ends up pushing either Bostic or Vinny to a backup role by the first week that we play the Ravens, as neither have the speed to run with Lamar Jackson. That or Barron plays more in a sub package look, but I still think that all the swing passes that some posters pointed out Christian McCaffrey (and other RB) was easily receiving vs the Steelers last season, would be limited by somebody with the skills of Devin Bush
    That is all possible. All I am saying is that no matter the talent level a prospect has and the yawning chasm of a roster hole he may fill for a team, rookie years like James Washington's and Terrell Edmunds' are far more common than say Juju's or Heath Miller's.

    For me, the rookie class is about who will be best player in year 2-4? Maybe that is the same guy as it will be in year 1. Maybe it isn't. That is where the fun and complete unknown come into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    That is all possible. All I am saying is that no matter the talent level a prospect has and the yawning chasm of a roster hole he may fill for a team, rookie years like James Washington's and Terrell Edmunds' are far more common than say Juju's or Heath Miller's.

    For me, the rookie class is about who will be best player in year 2-4? Maybe that is the same guy as it will be in year 1. Maybe it isn't. That is where the fun and complete unknown come into play.
    Eric Green had 387 yards and 7TD's in year 1. We have a good history when it comes to picking TE's in the first round

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    Eric Green had 387 yards and 7TD's in year 1. We have a good history when it comes to picking TE's in the first round
    I really think you should change your password. It is clear that Shoes has hacked your account.

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    I really think you should change your password. It is clear that Shoes has hacked your account.
    Haha no I'm positive he hasn't I'm guessing he wants one of the top TE's in the draft too? Honestly I think TE and ILB are biggest needs, so I wouldn't complain if we picked either.

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    Haha no I'm positive he hasn't I'm guessing he wants one of the top TE's in the draft too? Honestly I think TE and ILB are biggest needs, so I wouldn't complain if we picked either.
    Agree! Either one would be fine. I guess I should wander over to that list all the guys thread and go on record.

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    pedantic
    no fair using words he doesn't know the meaning of.

    now he's going to have to Google-Fu it, and we already know he's not very good at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    That is all possible. All I am saying is that no matter the talent level a prospect has and the yawning chasm of a roster hole he may fill for a team, rookie years like James Washington's and Terrell Edmunds' are far more common than say Juju's or Heath Miller's.

    For me, the rookie class is about who will be best player in year 2-4? Maybe that is the same guy as it will be in year 1. Maybe it isn't. That is where the fun and complete unknown come into play.
    Agreed. If we don't expect the rookie to really contribute until year 2-4 and that decent ILB or TE talent isn't yet on the roster, then no time to draft them like the present. Otherwise we will keep complaining that the Steelers don't have a replacement for Heath Miller or Ryan Shazier for the next 3-5 seasons.

    Its repeating the O line debacle of the mid 2000 all over again. Keep drafting Tony Hills, Darnell Stapleton, Kemoeatu, etc and expect the O line to play well. SMH.

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    no fair using words he doesn't know the meaning of.

    now he's going to have to Google-Fu it, and we already know he's not very good at that.
    Oh, man. Made my day. I mean knowledge is power...it can be like one of those word a day calendars.

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    Re: Steelers Send House To Michigan’s Pro Day

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    no fair using words he doesn't know the meaning of.

    now he's going to have to Google-Fu it, and we already know he's not very good at that.



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