Who hasn't had a better career then them ?Originally Posted by st33lersguy
Who hasn't had a better career then them ?
Limas, lol
Yea Moncrief does plug a hole in the ship and like the signing.
Yeah, I mean, speaking to the topic of this thread, it's great that they brought in someone with a solid grasp on how to play receiver in the NFL, so we're not left with Washington-or-nothing at #2. That would be kind of frightening. Still can't find out how much it cost us, but it can't be that much ... can it?
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Yep he was the only one that came to mind that hadn't. Compared to those two Troy Edwards should be in the HOF.
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Sounds like a good guy
https://www.steelers.com/video/moncr...ess-conference
Did pretty good against the Steelers.
Santonio Holmes, redux. I like it. Attitude, height , wing span, ready for action, always open when you need him.
I predict Ben will love this guy and go to him often
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Only negative is it looks like Moncrief sometimes just straight drops perfectly catchable balls.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s still a great idea. Same with Nelson’s penchant for penalties.
Hopefully both he and Nelson pan out. Free agency can sometimes be a crap shoot itself and other supposedly bigger recent acquisitions haven't panned out for the team recently. Hopefully moncrief can be a solid no. 2 for the team and hopefully Nelson can be solid cb and hopefully neither will bring any drama to the team
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Of the two, I’m more excited about Moncrief’s upside. I’d still like to know his $ though.
So Redman says he was mis-quoted with "suddeness and glide" by the SI reporter? I can see that.
Ouch! Sick Burn!
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Two years totaling $9 million, including $3.5 million signing bonus, base salaries of $1.5 and $3.5 million and a roster bonus of $500,000 next year, according to Spotrac. Moncrief counts $3.5 million against the cap in 2019.
A very good bargain IMO.
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Agreed, he seems like a really good guy too.
"A likely cap casualty in 2020 as he counts almost $6 million against the cap but only $1.75M in dead money if he's released."
"dead money if he's released."
"dead money if he's released."
"dead money if he's released."
Get used to that one folks, it's how we do all our contracts now.
Like - at least this one is somewhat within the realm of possibility that the second year could be worth bringing him back for, since the overall contract is a good deal.
But man, if you do ALL your FA contracts this way - two-year deal, cap hit doubles or triples in the second year ... well then, by definition you are going to have to cut most of those players after one year unless something else happens.
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It is how they have done every contract during this CBA. 2 year deals are one year deals. 3 year deals are 1-2 year deals. 5 year deals are 2 year deals with 3 option years. This is not new.
If they want to keep Moncrief in 2020, they can approach him with a "new" deal and play the same game. Announce a 2 year extension that gives him new bonus money in 2020 and a low salary. Then a bigger cap hit in 2021 with no dead money. Problem solved.
The ONLY time this doesn't work is when you restructure the deal nine ways to Sunday and the guy's performance falls off a cliff (Woodley) or he freaks out and leaves town (AB). Other than those very real possibilities this is a totally standard way of doing business in the NFL.
Now we can debate about whether or not it is a good way to do business in the NFL...
Look, I know it is standard practice to manipulate some of the cap hit using tactics like this, but I have never, EVER seen us use the two-year-contract-as-one-year-contract, shoveling dead money into the second year to this degree. Yes, we did some of it before, but to a much lesser extent and the bonuses were what you would expect as a reasonable amount of guaranteed cash for a contract of that length.
These are basically contracts that are "restructured" from day one - nearly ALL the first year's salary shifted into the second year. But since it's only a two-year contract, you create a situation where you basically just shove two year's worth of pay into one and make an almost impossible do-or-die. Most of these do not get re-extended, the player gets cut - and in any case, an extension does not magically clear up the dead money, just re-spreads it and creates the same problem a year down the road unless it's a 3- or 4- year contract (which we restructure roughly 100% of the time anyway).
Look, I get what they're trying to do, spend AB's $21 million a year early, but other than maybe Moncrief, I can't really get too excited about the return on that. When the next offseason rolls around, I would prefer it if the cap space we finally got freed up from the guy who was not on the team anymore ... was not already largely spent on other guys who are not on the team anymore.
Like it or not, I think we are not really in contention this year. So pulling out all the stops to further jury-rig the house of cards that is the Steelers' cap situation, so that we may bring in a handful of mid-level one-year rentals to salvage an 8-8 season, at the expense of the following season, is not my first choice. Really looks like some people in the front office are just trying to scratch out one more year that's just good enough to save their own jobs, rather than what is actually going to dig out of the not-insignificant hole of losing three All-Pro level players in 16 months with no compensation at all, and that coming on the heels of two consecutive drafts (2015-16) that produced a grand total of zero solid starters and like, one-half an impact player, if that.
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Dude no joke, I lost a madden game once because Sweed dropped what would have been a 60 yard TD with time running out. Dude couldn't even catch in a video game
Dude no joke, I lost a madden game once because Sweed dropped what would have been a 60 yard TD with time running out. Dude couldn't even catch in a video game
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