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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    That's a good question. The Chiefs by most accounts have cap space. They also have one of the best QBs currently on rookie deals. So...the logical play is to spend ALL the money everywhere else on the roster. Instead, the seem to be shedding salary.

    They got out of the Dee Ford and Justin Houston business. They are rumored to be considering getting out from Berry's contract. And they signed Matthieu. Tyreek Hill likely gets a record extension, but I have no idea why they seem to be holding onto cap space.

    In other words, their move so far make no sense to me and I am not sure that the Chiefs failing to resign someone at this point is a barometer of anything good or bad.
    That's a lot of turnover on their defense, even with signing Matthieu, I don't see how their defense can make a positive step going into next season.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

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    So if Nelson was that good (playing devils advocate), why would the Chiefs let him go?
    they also parted ways with Marcus Peters , granted in different fashion but he is gone regardless
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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    andy reid is the gm correct?

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    Chiefs moves so far make no sense. They are a team with lots of money and they are steady dropping decent players and getting no draft picks for them . IDK, seems like a defense implosion

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    Nelson was somebody that I liked as a 3rd or 4th round pick in his draft year. At 5'10" and quicker than fast, I thought that he looked like more of a guy to play slot CB, but I guess he will be on the outside opposite Haden. An upgrade over Sensabaugh or Burns.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

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    Chiefs moves so far make no sense. They are a team with lots of money and they are steady dropping decent players and getting no draft picks for them . IDK, seems like a defense implosion

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    He's no Artie Burns, so there's that.

    OK, we'll see how this goes.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

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    He's no Artie Burns, so there's that.

    OK, we'll see how this goes.
    My favorite thing this week is how the talking heads have said that Nelson is being signed as a nickel back because the Steelers have Haden and Burns starting outside. You know that first round draft pick Artie Burns from a couple years ago...(Brady Quinn being a major one). It just continues to show that no one prepares for their job and if they don’t know the answer, instead of saying they don’t know, they just spew some facts that are so far untrue...

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    Anybody see Nelson’s Tweets from back in 2011 and 2012 bashing the Steelers? It’s actually pretty funny. Sounds like he was a Steelers fan back then...

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Anybody see Nelson’s Tweets from back in 2011 and 2012 bashing the Steelers? It’s actually pretty funny. Sounds like he was a Steelers fan back then...
    There was Twitter back then?

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Anybody see Nelson’s Tweets from back in 2011 and 2012 bashing the Steelers? It’s actually pretty funny. Sounds like he was a Steelers fan back then...

    He thought that the Steelers were going to draft him...

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Nelson was somebody that I liked as a 3rd or 4th round pick in his draft year. At 5'10" and quicker than fast, I thought that he looked like more of a guy to play slot CB, but I guess he will be on the outside opposite Haden. An upgrade over Sensabaugh or Burns.
    Nelson is better as a slot corner.

    on the outside this past season he allowed 14.1 yds per reception, probably why KC was willing to let him go.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Nelson is better as a slot corner.

    on the outside this past season he allowed 14.1 yds per reception, probably why KC was willing to let him go.
    That is the exact opposite of everything I read. Not the ypr figure, but the idea that Nelson is not a boundary CB. Several articles I read basically said he got far better as KC moved him outside from the slot.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    That is the exact opposite of everything I read. Not the ypr figure, but the idea that Nelson is not a boundary CB. Several articles I read basically said he got far better as KC moved him outside from the slot.
    I read that at Pro Football Focus so you do have to take it with a grain of salt.

    nevertheless, giving up an average of 14.1 yds per reception isn't good no matter how you slice it.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    I read that at Pro Football Focus so you do have to take it with a grain of salt.

    nevertheless, giving up an average of 14.1 yds per reception isn't good no matter how you slice it.
    Fair enough. I found this earlier https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/11/...-nelson-2019/:

    "There’s also the fact that Nelson has finally stuck to a specific role instead of moving back and forth between the boundary and slot positions. Playing in a boundary role helps Nelson’s style of play using that boundary as another defender considering he tends to play more aggressively."

    No idea if that is a decent report or not.

    As to the 14.1 #, I didn't find that. I found a variety of #'s listed around 12 yards. I did see somewhere that not only did Nelson face more pass targets than any other DB, but they were deeper than any other DB as well. He did have a fairly high incompletion rate on those targets. So, maybe he actually defends a # of passes, but if they are all 10, 20, or more yards downfield, any completions you do allow are going to spike that yard per reception #?

    Hard to tell because some much of these advanced stats are behind pay-walls.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

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    Smart man.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    He’s going to wear 22.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    With the Steelers able to start Nelson and Haden on the outside how important does it become to get Sensabaugh re-signed to back up either/both? Just talking boundary defense Allen or one of the safeties is all there is behind them. Colbert and Tomlin were both at LSU, Clemson, Michigan, and Notre Dame pro days which puts guys like Greedy Williams, Trayvon Mullen, and Julien Love in the mix for 1st round possibilities if tradition continues. I have paid Nelson zero attention for his career so I have no idea how to expect him to play for us.Is he head and shoulders better than Sensabaugh? Does signing Nelson take the 1st round CB draft prospects off the Steelers board? For me this signing helps solidify depth but how do you guys feel moving forward at boundary?

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    Nelson I think lessens the need for a corner. Depth is still an issue but I don't consider a round 1 presser of a need. For round 1, I would like to see some others areas addressed such as TE (who plays when Vance goes down), Safety, a OLB (don't tell me Bud Dupree is a viable answer as a starting OLB, 4 years and he hasn't made an impact), ILB (Not sold on Barron as more than depth). With Moncrief I would also wait on WR ((especially since I am not sold on this WR class)

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    Nelson I think lessens the need for a corner. Depth is still an issue but I don't consider a round 1 presser of a need. For round 1, I would like to see some others areas addressed such as TE (who plays when Vance goes down), Safety, a OLB (don't tell me Bud Dupree is a viable answer as a starting OLB, 4 years and he hasn't made an impact), ILB (Not sold on Barron as more than depth). With Moncrief I would also wait on WR ((especially since I am not sold on this WR class)
    In your opinion is Nelson a good enough signing to take the top listed boundary CBs off the Steelers 1st round board? Sensabaugh is not re-signed at this time, and Brian Allen is the only CB behind Nelson and Haden at this time. How much dropoff in boundary CB talent between the 1st round and the 3rd round? I think Nelson is a very good, much needed signing. I just don't know if it does lessen the need for a boundary CB moving forward, or if it does lessen the need, to what extent. Not trying to turn this into another draft thread, I am asking about what Nelson brings to the position.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    In your opinion is Nelson a good enough signing to take the top listed boundary CBs off the Steelers 1st round board? Sensabaugh is not re-signed at this time, and Brian Allen is the only CB behind Nelson and Haden at this time. How much dropoff in boundary CB talent between the 1st round and the 3rd round? I think Nelson is a very good, much needed signing. I just don't know if it does lessen the need for a boundary CB moving forward, or if it does lessen the need, to what extent. Not trying to turn this into another draft thread, I am asking about what Nelson brings to the position.
    Depth is still an issue, and yes I am well aware that free agency is no sure thing but they have Haden and Hilton already and now they are paying over $8 million a year on Nelson. With some measures it seems on paper they addressed no. 2 CB and if they aren't sold on Nelson that they still want to spend a 1st round pick on a corner, why pay him $25 million over 3 years especially with other positions that still need immediate starters

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    Depth is still an issue, and yes I am well aware that free agency is no sure thing but they have Haden and Hilton already and now they are paying over $8 million a year on Nelson. With some measures it seems on paper they addressed no. 2 CB and if they aren't sold on Nelson that they still want to spend a 1st round pick on a corner, why pay him $25 million over 3 years especially with other positions that still need immediate starters
    As for the 'why', Colbert never goes into a draft with a position empty. Comparatively the Nelson signing is inexpensive for a boundary CB to a boundary CB hungry team. My previous thought was the same as what you are saying here too. Why sign Nelson to a multi-year deal if he's not at least your 2019 starter? I just no longer think this signing drops the need for a boundary CB enough to take one off the 1st round board, or at least makes me question that move if it does.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    In your opinion is Nelson a good enough signing to take the top listed boundary CBs off the Steelers 1st round board? Sensabaugh is not re-signed at this time, and Brian Allen is the only CB behind Nelson and Haden at this time.
    you forgot about Artie Burnt.

    this is going to be his breakout year...

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Haden is approaching the “drop off” point in his career. So, a CB is still a very real option at 20.

    I mean, we have had two good CBs in the past twenty years... so, I wouldn’t stop trying to fill that void (just because we just signed Nelson). Personally, I’d draft a CB (by the end of R3) every single draft.

    Sidenote: I could see Haden switching to FS (in 2020).

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    I wonder if Haden moving to FS after this season is a viable option? Sean Davis' contract is up after this year I believe, and I am not sure he is the long term answer at that spot. I could see Haden going the Rod Woodson route and switching to FS for the remainder of his career. I think CB is a definite possibility in the first round.

    (OK, just saw Teegre's post after writing the above.......so obviously some of you all are thinking like me regarding Haden and the FS spot).

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Counting on Haden for much beyond this year is unwise, in my opinion. DB play quality and injury seems to fall off a cliff at some random point over 30 years old. Haden turns 30 in April. Revis fell out of the league starting in his age 31 season. Richard Sherman began to break down and struggle with injuries at 29. Of course the Woodsons (Rod and Charles) and Darell Green played forever, so who knows? But I would start throwing draft picks higher than the 4th round at the situation immediately. Burns is toast unless Austin is the same level of position coach that Munchak was. Sutton is not even close to what he was billed as being. Allen just never panned out. That is about as bad as the LB room.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Counting on Haden for much beyond this year is unwise, in my opinion. DB play quality and injury seems to fall off a cliff at some random point over 30 years old. Haden turns 30 in April. Revis fell out of the league starting in his age 31 season. Richard Sherman began to break down and struggle with injuries at 29. Of course the Woodsons (Rod and Charles) and Darell Green played forever, so who knows? But I would start throwing draft picks higher than the 4th round at the situation immediately. Burns is toast unless Austin is the same level of position coach that Munchak was. Sutton is not even close to what he was billed as being. Allen just never panned out. That is about as bad as the LB room.
    Agree with this. At 20 I would look for Greedy, Mullen, Love, possibly Murphy, Gardner-Johnson, or Bush/Wilson. I think the need is simply too great to find somebody at CB and ILB that the Steelers are forced to go there at 20. 31 players will come off the board before they pick again.

    Haden has even said he expects to make the move to FS later in his career so that wouldn't surprise a bit.

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    you forgot about Artie Burnt.

    this is going to be his breakout year...
    LOL! I didn't forget him, I actually no longer count on him at this point.

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    Re: Steelers and free agent CB Steven Nelson agreed to terms on a 3-year deal

    Could just throw spaghetti at the walls. Draft nothing but DBs from rnd 4 on.surely one of them will be decent

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