I have a hard time believing this is true and, the media going to listen to Josh Harris. Then there is the media's favorite whipping guy named Ben Roethlisberger bunch of crap as far as I'm concerned. I guess they got nothing else to talk about these days. We all know that Ben has had a few issues in the past but, COME ON MAN enough is enough. I'm glad I don't watch or listen those worthless shows like the herd, fox shows NFL network BSPN.
I still think it's hilarious. I really want it to be true because it's about the best way to tell your OC you think he's an idiot I've ever heard of. Honestly, it'd be about my favorite Ben story.
My thing is...why him, why now? A football player who has been in the NFL for blink of an eye, and it’s time to trash OUR QB? I would just an answerOriginally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
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If this came out during say Ben's HOF entrance week, everyone would laugh and smile at the funny "Big Ben" story. I mean step back from it a bit -- it is absolutely hilarious!
Control freak OC sends in a play to veteran QB who is certain that he should just be the one calling plays. Vet QB looks around the huddle and realizes most players seem to agree with him that it is a dumb play call. Vet QB thinks about the fact that this kinda thing seems to happen alot and the OC is an abrasive jerk about it whenever it comes up in discussion. Glances at the scoreboard...hmmm...I think we're good. Vet QB gets an idea....yeah...I can pull that off with plausible deniability. Boom! Fumble!!!
If this was a bunch of arthritic gnarled old football guys telling this story about Gus Oldtimey and the time against the Chicago Cardinals that he intentionally ran the wrong play to make a point to the coaches, everyone would laugh and smile and say something about how guys were just grittier in the olde tyme days.
Why now? Probably because how Ben has interacted with some players over the years is becoming public, while in the past its been just kept internal. Even ex players in the media like Mike Irvin, Deion Sanders, Hines Ward have known from what they said on screen, but never came out on what guys have said verbatim.
Why him? Probably because he was in the backfield on that play and set to get a handoff from a reverse pivot that the veteran QB didn't do correctly. It may have looked like an intentional wrong pivot by Ben, given any possible friction between Haley and Ben regarding how to close out a game.
IMO, just because a guy was only in the NFL for 2 seasons, doesn't mean he isn't entitled to a freedom to voice his thoughts or opinions. I think there is some kind of document that allows him free speech.
I’m sorry, I did not finish my response before it was posted... I will take full responsibility. I have to ask, are you defending Josh Harris or just stirring the shit? There is a ton of Steelers bashing in the middle of March Madness, with news that this board knew over a week ago. The start of my last quote was “who cares”? If Ben throws a ton TDs next year with, (Hopefully fewer INTs), and he stays upright, and I don’t have to listen to diva crap I’m good.Why now? Probably because how Ben has interacted with some players over the years is becoming public, while in the past its been just kept internal. Even ex players in the media like Mike Irvin, Deion Sanders, Hines Ward have known from what they said on screen, but never came out on what guys have said verbatim.
Why him? Probably because he was in the backfield on that play and set to get a handoff from a reverse pivot that the veteran QB didn't do correctly. It may have looked like an intentional wrong pivot by Ben, given any possible friction between Haley and Ben regarding how to close out a game.
IMO, just because a guy was only in the NFL for 2 seasons, doesn't mean he isn't entitled to a freedom to voice his thoughts or opinions. I think there is some kind of document that allows him free speech.
Really sorry, I think my son hit post......on me....
I am not defending Josh Harris, as much as I am pointing out that he has a right to free speech like anybody in America. If somebody doesn't have the same opinion as some people, the first reaction of those people is to discredit that person's right to have an opinion base upon something....in this case its Josh Harris NFL tenure/success. Why attack somebody, just because you don't have the same opinion?
I am not "stirring the shit". I just look objectively at the play for what it is. If that was an equally tenured veteran QB like Philip Rivers that forgot to reverse pivot out of a simple handoff and clumsily fell to the ground in a way that he could watch what unfolded, while RB Ronnie Hillman said he watched Rivers hand it off to the FB, because he didn't like that Mike McCoy called the run instead of victory formation....everybody on this board would be questioning how Rivers could make such a simple and elementary mistake and not purposely turned the wrong way.
Not me,' I would have said the same thing. Sometimes people simply fuck up.
"Zeds dead baby, Zeds dead." - Butch
E-GJ I always love and read your posts, the reason I brought this thread back from the archives, is, that we were talking about this almost two weeks ago. Do we care because I’m reposting or that Josh Harris is a stud, or because we need to keep slamming Ben/Steelers. I would love for the Steelers to get off the media radar.
Again why here why now?
Jim Marshal was a seasoned veteran defender with the Vikings, who once ran a fumble the wrong way for a touchback. Maybe he had an ax to grind with Bud Grant's inability to win a Super bowl.
Jackie Smith was a TE who was brought out of retirement to play for the cowboys. In a Super bowl he dropped a critical TD when nobody was within 15 yards of him. Does that mean he resented the way the cowboys OC was calling plays for him?
Earnest Byner fumbled on a simple game winning Touchdown run after carrying the team all game long. I'm sure it was because he was not feeling appreciated by the Browns GM.
In Super bowl 43 Santonio Holmes dropped a wide open sure TD, before he caught the game winner for Ben. Was that a rookie mistake or maybe he missed it to show up Ben.
I dont mean this in a snarky way but just as josh Harris has a right to say what he wants, we have a right to criticize him/call him out. Critical response is not a violation of free speech.
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The ultimate professional, Jerome Bettis, should have sealed a playoff game by securing the football and running into the end zone to win a playoff game.....But he didn't take care of the ball, fumbled, and nearly cost them a chance to win the Super Bowl that year. He was a late-game closer, a short yardage specialist, a future HOF player, and he knew better than anyone that ever played the game to cover up the ball to secure it in a huge spot with the game in hand......and he didn't do it.
Instead, an asshole quarterback had to run backwards and save the season with an amazing tackle.
Shit happens.
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obviously, Bettis fumbled on purpose!
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obviously, Bettis fumbled on purpose!
Obviously....
Ben is so big headed, he just wanted to win his way! Troy Polamalu dropped a caught INT on purpose, and then Ben told the Bus to fumble so he could make a game saving tackle.obviously, Bettis fumbled on purpose!
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Well, Ben supposedly didn't like Whis.
he didn't like Haley either, does Ben get along with anyone?Well, Ben supposedly didn't like Whis.
Only if they have boobs.he didn't like Haley either, does Ben get along with anyone?
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No one but Colbert and Pouncey returns his text messages.he didn't like Haley either, does Ben get along with anyone?
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Well, there is no reason left why Ben shouldn't "win now." He's got just about everything he wanted down to a golf caddy for an OC. This should delight many here since they have been screaming for years that Ben should call his own plays and run more no-huddle.
shouldn't Josh Harris 15 mins of fame be over with by now ?
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
I think he gets 15 mins more since you just brought his name up again.
"Jeremy" - what a blast from the past!
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Arians, who knew the key to keeping his job as Steelers OC as long as he did was telling Ben how wonderful he was and pretty much letting him do whatever he wantedhe didn't like Haley either, does Ben get along with anyone?
Fichtner apparently was taking notes during the BA era on how to avoid having the franchise QB feud with the Steelers OC
Tomlin only gets important text responses from Cowhers former players.
They don’t respond either...Tomlin only gets important text responses from Cowhers former players.
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Tomlin only gets important text responses from Cowhers former players.
Antonio Brown's agent had access as well...….
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Yeah well a defense that can make a 4th quarter stop would probably be of some help too.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
Wether you think Josh Harris is full of BS or not, 2019 is a big season for Ben.
For years now there is the narrative going around that Ben is being held back and sabotaged by the people around him and was absolved of all accountability. There was always a convenient scapegoat thrown under the bus.
First, Bruce Arians was to blame, and was fired.
Then, Todd Haley was to blame, and was fired.
Then, Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell were to blame, and were shipped out of town.
The Steelers are literally Ben's show now. There is no one else. He has the OC he likes and does whatever he wants. He has the backing of the coach, he has the backing of Colbert and Rooney. There is no more sniping. No more undermining. He's the Man now, and thus out of excuses.
If the Steelers do the amazing and win the Super Bowl in 2019, Ben will be vindicated forever (and ever). If they fall short, and even miss the playoffs again, it's a confirmation of the critics (like me) and a stain on his resume.
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