winners losers of Brown to Raiders deal

[AtlantaDan]

I find it interesting that 29 other NFL teams didn't offer more than a 3rd and a 5th for AB.

What draft picks were traded was only part of the puzzle - teams had to meet not just the Steelers price but the terms of a new contract demanded by AB/Rosenhaus

One team wanting to deal for Brown bailed when it discovered he wanted to be the highest paid receiver in the game, again, on a new deal as part of a trade....

Raiders paid a financial tax on the contract to get Brown for a third-rounder and a fifth-rounder. Which, when you went into this with over $60 million in cap room, can be positioned as an effective use of that space. Some other teams couldn’t afford to do it, cap-wise. Others were unwilling, but Oakland had the flexibility, so they get the benefit of not dealing picks in the first two rounds.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/10/an...ntent=20190311

[Shoes]

I think the 66th pick allows the Steelers to get another talented player that will help the team. The 141st pick in the 5th round will be a developmental that could be the #4 option or a flyer on an ILB, or a solid interior lineman to plan to replace Finney, or even a DT to replace the jettisoned McCullers.

Somebody can do the math, but I am sure we can use a 3rd and 5th to move up to the 2nd round, or even both 3rd round picks. I can see one of either Irv Smith Jr or Noah Fant lasting until the top half of the 2nd round, so maybe the Steelers can grab an offensive threat at TE in the 2nd, while still keeping their 2nd round pick. Potential draft could be

Devin Bush ILB at #20
Irv Smith Jr TE at pick 40 approx.
Trayvon Mullen CB #52

The idea of going into the 2019 season with receiving options at WR like JuJu, Washington, Switzer, Dionte Spencer (CFL WR from McNeese St that runs a 4.3) and possibly a FA like John Brown, plus TE group with receivers like Irv Smith Jr, Vance McDonald and maybe JJ....isn't the end of the world to me.

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Wait, did they trade for #7 or #84 ?

They will have to work some magic to get Fant or Smith @ about 40 but hope they do, I know Hockenson will be long gone. I think Sternberger would be there but I don't believe he's much of a blocker.

[86WARD]

They will have to work some magic to get Fant or Smith @ about 40 but hope they do, I know Hockenson will be long gone. I think Sternberger would be there at 52 but I don't believe he's much of a blocker.

Hockendon and Fant will be gone by 40.

[Born2Steel]

We will not even know winners/losers for a couple of years anyway. People are disappointed that the Steelers did not get a 1st for AB. I get that because I was hoping for that too. But there is zero guarantee that a 1st round pick works out any better in the long term than a 3rd and 5th does. What I totally disagree with on here is that it would have been better to not trade AB at all and just let him sit. That does not help the Steelers at all, IMO. It's never about "having balls" or "getting punked", or "forcing your will", it's about making the best out of an already terrible situation. I also disagree that any of the blame for AB falls to coaches, GM, or owner. It all falls squarely on how AB chose to conduct himself. AB's choice.

I do agree that the Steelers will need to learn from this and rethink how they build their player contracts. After what happened to Shazier it is no small wonder that our other star players started to think about their own risk/reward contract situations. It may come up again, I hope not, but if it does keep in mind how much #50s injury plays into this the creation of these issues. Remember something similar happened to TP43 as well. These guys were well loved, team leaders, and absolutely respected by the team at large. I think we will lose more players due to cap casualty because of more guaranteed money but that will help prevent more of the same player issues, IMO.

Bottom line is nobody has to be happy or even just ok with the trade, but keep the goal in front of you. This is not an ending but a beginning. This is more of a player driven league than people want to acknowledge. Players have options now with new leagues sprouting up. Agents are going to be asking for more in dollars and in guarantees. We will start to see less and less of the incentive laden contract. More risk to the team and less financial risk for the player. An era of superstar teams and dynasties being built in real life Legacy Mode.

[Shoes]

Hockendon and Fant will be gone by 40.

Agreed, I don't expect them to be there unless teams go hog wild on a certain position....like TE

[Rotorhead]

We will not even know winners/losers for a couple of years anyway. People are disappointed that the Steelers did not get a 1st for AB. I get that because I was hoping for that too. But there is zero guarantee that a 1st round pick works out any better in the long term than a 3rd and 5th does. What I totally disagree with on here is that it would have been better to not trade AB at all and just let him sit. That does not help the Steelers at all, IMO. It's never about "having balls" or "getting punked", or "forcing your will", it's about making the best out of an already terrible situation. I also disagree that any of the blame for AB falls to coaches, GM, or owner. It all falls squarely on how AB chose to conduct himself. AB's choice.

I do agree that the Steelers will need to learn from this and rethink how they build their player contracts. After what happened to Shazier it is no small wonder that our other star players started to think about their own risk/reward contract situations. It may come up again, I hope not, but if it does keep in mind how much #50s injury plays into this the creation of these issues. Remember something similar happened to TP43 as well. These guys were well loved, team leaders, and absolutely respected by the team at large. I think we will lose more players due to cap casualty because of more guaranteed money but that will help prevent more of the same player issues, IMO.

Bottom line is nobody has to be happy or even just ok with the trade, but keep the goal in front of you. This is not an ending but a beginning. This is more of a player driven league than people want to acknowledge. Players have options now with new leagues sprouting up. Agents are going to be asking for more in dollars and in guarantees. We will start to see less and less of the incentive laden contract. More risk to the team and less financial risk for the player. An era of superstar teams and dynasties being built in real life Legacy Mode.

Except, after Shazier’s injury, the Steelers paid him out the rest of his contract, that is as guaranteed as it gets. I also am pretty sure they are paying for his rehab as well. That is why Bell was so dumb, if he would have had a career ending injury, what are the chances the Steelers would not have paid him out? As far as AB, he just got his feelings hurt about Juju, I always thought he was a team first guy, but since he was our top WR it never came up, now we know the truth about him. Shameful really.

[munchy]

winner: tomlin. now he doesnt have to change and hold anyone accountable.
winner: current players on team. they can still run wild and do what they want. can act like an idiot and get traded
winner: 31 gms. know colbert has no backbone in trade negotiations
winner: agents. see above
winner: future steeler players. see 3 above
losers: steeler fans
losers: 31 other nfl team. steelers showed all nfl players how to bend an organization over
loser: fans of those 31 nfl teams. see above

[Craic]

Except, after Shazier’s injury, the Steelers paid him out the rest of his contract, that is as guaranteed as it gets. I also am pretty sure they are paying for his rehab as well. That is why Bell was so dumb, if he would have had a career ending injury, what are the chances the Steelers would not have paid him out? As far as AB, he just got his feelings hurt about Juju, I always thought he was a team first guy, but since he was our top WR it never came up, now we know the truth about him. Shameful really.

They had to. It was gauranteed by league rules. Sure, they paid it a bit early, but that's a gesture more than anything tangent.

[DesertSteel]

Any quotes from Colbert yet on this masterpiece of a deal?

[Dwinsgames]

you know ..... 3 playoff wins with AB as a starter .....

we won a Superbowl with a College QB transitioned to WR and a guy with no ACL manning the other WR spot and an UDFA running the football ....

[DesertSteel]

you know ..... 3 playoff wins with AB as a starter .....

we won a Superbowl with a College QB transitioned to WR and a guy with no ACL manning the other WR spot and an UDFA running the football ....

Exactly. What’s more important, the parts or the sum? I only question the leadership of that sum.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

They will have to work some magic to get Fant or Smith @ about 40 but hope they do, I know Hockenson will be long gone. I think Sternberger would be there but I don't believe he's much of a blocker.

I don't see 3 TE going in the first round, so one should be there at the top of the 2nd. If Steelers want, then its up to them to go get who is left. Smith isn't much of a blocker and he ran a slower 40 than the other 2 TE's so I could see him lasting to day 2.

[Shoes]

I don't see 3 TE going in the first round, so one should be there at the top of the 2nd. If Steelers want, then its up to them to go get who is left. Smith isn't much of a blocker and he ran a slower 40 than the other 2 TE's so I could see him lasting to day 2.

What are your thoughts on Sternberger?

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

What are your thoughts on Sternberger?

I'll have to watch some film to get a real better look, but he isn't the receiving threat the other guys are. His pedestrian 4.75 time in the 40 at the combine doesn't bode well, nor does his mediocre resume as a blocker. Honestly I see him not much of an upgrade over Jesse James, so not sure I think a 2nd round pick on him is worth it.

[Shoes]

I'll have to watch some film to get a real better look, but he isn't the receiving threat the other guys are. His pedestrian 4.75 time in the 40 at the combine doesn't bode well, nor does his mediocre resume as a blocker. Honestly I see him not much of an upgrade over Jesse James, so not sure I think a 2nd round pick on him is worth it.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/jace-sternberger

[Steeldude]

Don't be surprised if the Steelers trade Schuster for a 7th round pick next season.

[Devil's D]

Everyone needs to calm down, and quit being so short sighted!

This deal is really not that unbalanced......if you look at it in the long-term.

To the uninitiated it might simply look like the Steelers gave-up the best WR in the game for only a 3rd & a 5th.

But, in reality, this shrewd deal insures that the Steelers will have much higher draft picks for many years in the future. Sure an extra 1st round pick this year would have been nice, but that is nothing compared to the value of moving-up 10-20 spots in the draft for the next 3-5 years.

[FrancoLambert]

Everyone needs to calm down, and quit being so short sighted!

This deal is really not that unbalanced......if you look at it in the long-term.

To the uninitiated it might simply look like the Steelers gave-up the best WR in the game for only a 3rd & a 5th.

But, in reality, this shrewd deal insures that the Steelers will have much higher draft picks for many years in the future. Sure an extra 1st round pick this year would have been nice, but that is nothing compared to the value of moving-up 10-20 spots in the draft for the next 3-5 years.

I expected to see the sarcasm emoji at the end of your post.
Do you really think GM’s consider what Colbert was able to get for AB a shrewd deal?
Maybe it’s a new approach, gut your team, suck for several tears, then reap the benefits of good drafting position.

[steelreserve]

I expected to see the sarcasm emoji at the end of your post.
Do you really think GM’s consider what Colbert was able to get for AB a shrewd deal?
Maybe it’s a new approach, gut your team, suck for several tears, then reap the benefits of good drafting position.

I'm sure it was sarcastic. Nobody thinks we got anything but a thorough ass pounding.

I mean, I stopped at the adult bookstore on the way home yesterday and picked up something from the new releases section called "Stop My Ass Is On Fire Vol. 6", but instead of a porno, it was a documentary about the Antonio Brown Trade. Same with the other one titled "5 in the Stink."

Frankly, I was impressed they got them out so fast, but then again, those guys are used to making like 10 movies a day.

[munchy]

I'm sure it was sarcastic. Nobody thinks we got anything but a thorough ass pounding.

I mean, I stopped at the adult bookstore on the way home yesterday and picked up something from the new releases section called "Stop My Ass Is On Fire Vol. 6", but instead of a porno, it was a documentary about the Antonio Brown Trade. Same with the other one titled "5 in the Stink."

Frankly, I was impressed they got them out so fast, but then again, those guys are used to making like 10 movies a day.

funny stuff. my kind of humor. fitting for this team right now

[Fire Goodell]

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/jace-sternberger

Looked at his Kentucky and Ole Miss games. Shows good hands and runs nice routes, but doesn't show speed to separate from defenders vertically or on crossing routes. Would have to make his living sitting down in zones or making a lot of contested catches.

Looks like he gets to point of attack to block, but not going to move many defenders with slight frame and lack of power displayed. Looks like a move TE that runs a 4.75 and wont separate from NFL defenders. Looks like a bigger WR more than TE.

I think he is a #2 TE like Jesse James, but not a good of a blocker. I wouldn't spend a 2nd on him like the breakdown suggests he is.

[Shoes]

Looked at his Kentucky and Ole Miss games. Shows good hands and runs nice routes, but doesn't show speed to separate from defenders vertically or on crossing routes. Would have to make his living sitting down in zones or making a lot of contested catches.

Looks like he gets to point of attack to block, but not going to move many defenders with slight frame and lack of power displayed. Looks like a move TE that runs a 4.75 and wont separate from NFL defenders. Looks like a bigger WR more than TE.

I think he is a #2 TE like Jesse James, but not a good of a blocker. I wouldn't spend a 2nd on him like the breakdown suggests he is.

Neither would I, we need to gain a level or two over JJ

[hawaiiansteeler]

Don't be surprised if the Steelers trade Schuster for a 7th round pick next season.

come on now, we can get at least a 3rd and a 5th for JuJu...

[Fire Goodell]

Raiders are gonna trade him to NE for a 4th round pick after he bombs this season

[Butch]

Winner Vegas They (Vegas and the NFL) will do whatever it takes to make the Raiders a contender before the team gets to. I feel it will be very much like the Knights in hockey and like the Rams this year. Why else would the Steelers take a 3 and 5 for one of the top WRs in the league when they held all the cards? I look no further than roger.

[86WARD]

Browns just made the Steelers look like even bigger losers today!

[cubanstogie]

Browns just made the Steelers look like even bigger losers today!

on paper sure. Steelers have made Browns look and feel like losers for decades and until I see Browns success I won't believe its coming. I do see them as biggest threat in division. Ratbirds D has been torn apart, so now lets see what Lamar does without it. Bengals will still suck. If we can draft an immediate impact LB and sign Williams at WR, Steeler will be fine IMO. Lots of draft pics, hard to believe all 10 or whatever they have will be busts.

[DesertSteel]

Browns just made the Steelers look like even bigger losers today!

Yes I think the Browns have already won the Super Bowl and Baker Mayfield was just fitted for his gold jacket!!! And the Lakers signed LeBron so they're going to win the NBA Championship this year!!!

[Fire Goodell]

The way I see it, the Steelers and Raiders both lose. AB won.

AB got what he wanted, plain and simple. Money, guaranteed money, lots of it. Won't win a championship, sure, but judging by this move, he doesn't care as long as he gets more 300k cars, helicopter rides, and fur coats.

Steelers lose a great player and eat a massive cap hit for not great compensation, but we at least get *something*. We've gotten about a 50% success rate on 3rd round picks, and we added a high 3rd.

Raiders gain a great player, who has never endured a losing season, so it's highly likely that he will be disgruntled. Also gave him the highest paying contract for a WR, on a team that needed much more than a WR to be a contender. They will still continue their losing ways while at the same time, taking a major hit to their salary cap. They still have a lot of high draft picks, which if used well, could make them a good team, right in time for AB to want a new big contract extension lol.