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    Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Could the Steelers finally get a player who could help fill the gaping hole left by Ryan Shazier?

    By Jeff.Hartman
    Feb 7, 2019

    It might seem crazy, but the 2019 NFL Scouting Combine is just around the corner, which means the NFL Draft is really starting to heat up! With college football All-Star games over, it is now time when experts start to release their mock drafts for the upcoming draft process.

    While mock drafts are nothing more than lofty projections for teams, the analysis of diagnosing team needs can be a valuable one.

    The Pittsburgh Steelers have some glaring needs on their football team, and most reside on the defensive side of the football. Below is an early ranking of the Steelers’ top three needs which could, and probably should, be addressed in the upcoming draft:

    1. Cornerback
    2. Inside Linebacker
    3. EDGE Rusher

    While there certainly are other team needs, including running back, most would agree the team should have a very defensive oriented draft class while looking at their current roster. ESPN draft expert Todd McShay agrees when he selected an inside linebacker to the Steelers in his first mock draft of the year.

    Check out what McShay said about the selection:

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    https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...-bush-michigan

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Corner or Inside backer I'm down with

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    Corner or Inside backer I'm down with
    me too, would you be okay with WR in the 1st round if we trade AB?

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    me too, would you be okay with WR in the 1st round if we trade AB?
    I would be. I always take a wait and see approach to any pick. If it's not our biggest need but was a hell of a player then I wouldn't complain about it (like picking juju in rd. 2 last year). I'm a firm believer that every team has weaknesses, but if you field a team with a strong collection of players you'll be in the mix no matter what.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    McShay is a bum, away with him!

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Steelers are in desperate need of a tone-setter, a leader on defense

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    me too, would you be okay with WR in the 1st round if we trade AB?

    The Steelers have historically struck out when they reach for a need position rather than taking the best player available. Players like Troy Edwards and Jarvis Jones come to mind. The team would probably tell you that both players were high on their boards, but I don't believe that. I believe both players should have been rated far below where they were taken, and I have a hard time believing their scouts could be that off on a prospect like Jarvis Jones when there were so many signs that he shouldn't have been a high draft pick.

    I know we all get frustrated sometimes during the draft when they seem to ignore drafting their biggest need positions, but at the same time, the team needs to trust their board. If there is a player available on your board that is far and away the best player, it's hard not to take that player. I know that you can't draft a kicker in the first round and you still need to draft need, but reaching is a mistake.

    This is where I wish that the team has the patience and calm to trade back if there is nobody at a position of need worthy of the pick they are currently on. Accumulate picks and then use the additional pick to take more players, or use it to move up to take a player they love when he is still on the board later in the draft.

    Forcing picks based on need is the surest path to failure.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Question:
    What does Devin Bush bring to the table that (let’s say) you couldn’t get from Khalil Hodge in R2?

    I‘m not doubting nor begrudging Bush. I’m asking so that (if we were GMs) we’ve properly evaluated & ranked all of the ILBs in this draft. In what ways is Bush better than Hodge?

    Again, Bush might indeed be the better player, but is he significantly better than Hodge? Might it behoove us to draft a CB first?... and draft an ILB later???

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    I stopped reading after he said we needed a RB, did he not watch the Steelers this season, Bell has been replaced and from I saw both replacements are good enough to start for this team.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Conner has not been the same since his concussion and Samuels had one great game.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Before we fall into the trap of "must draft defense in first 4 rounds" again, there are many positions of need on the Steelers. In order to field a top 10 defense you do not need stars and dynamic TP43 types. Everybody loves them but they are not a must have for a successful defense. On the other hand you very much need dynamic playmakers and superstar athletes on the offensive side of the ball. I AM NOT SAYING don't draft an ILB or CB in the first/early rounds. I AM saying do not let yourselves put blinders on to game changing players just because they don't play a position you deem as a need right now. If the BPA on the board is a TE, WR, RB, QB, OL, you MUST consider the player. That said, I am hoping for one of 3 ILBs, 2 safeties, or 5 CBs to be available at our pick 20. BUT if not, DO NOT REACH for a player because of his role on the team.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Question:
    What does Devin Bush bring to the table that (let’s say) you couldn’t get from Khalil Hodge in R2?

    I‘m not doubting nor begrudging Bush. I’m asking so that (if we were GMs) we’ve properly evaluated & ranked all of the ILBs in this draft. In what ways is Bush better than Hodge?

    Again, Bush might indeed be the better player, but is he significantly better than Hodge? Might it behoove us to draft a CB first?... and draft an ILB later???
    Probably because Hodge is projected as a Rd 4-Rd6 prospect, so why draft him in the 2nd?

    I'll look into Hodge further, rather than trust scouts projections, but Bush is kind of a Zach Thomas, Sam Mills undersized but quick and intelligent ILB that is always around the football and is a tackler and play maker. I think he is the somewhat rare player that just balls out, regardless of the measurables and is somebody that you kick yourself for passing on. He is not the same size, but I think you pass on him and regret it like teams passed on Daruis Leonard this season.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Probably because Hodge is projected as a Rd 4-Rd6 prospect, so why draft him in the 2nd?

    I'll look into Hodge further, rather than trust scouts projections, but Bush is kind of a Zach Thomas, Sam Mills undersized but quick and intelligent ILB that is always around the football and is a tackler and play maker. I think he is the somewhat rare player that just balls out, regardless of the measurables and is somebody that you kick yourself for passing on. He is not the same size, but I think you pass on him and regret it like teams passed on Daruis Leonard this season.
    1. That’s what I’ve heard about Bush, as well. “If he were 2 inches taller, he’d be the top ILB in this draft.” But, that’s all that I really know about him (my knowledge about his play is limited).

    2. Why is Hodges projected in R4-R6 (versus R2)? I’m really asking.

    3. Which ILB(s) do indeed project as a R2 pick(s)?

    SUMMATION:
    If we don’t go ILB at 20, I’m trying to figure out who we would indeed target in R2 (or R3).

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Tre Lamar may be there at pick 52. His draft profiles are all over the place. Some say he is only a 2 down ILB, others say he's a versatile 3 down LB. Some say his weakness is in coverages then others say he his suited for covering TEs and RBs in the middle. His measurables are that he's huge and fast. With his size and speed he should be getting talked about more if he were a round 1 guy. He's one of those you have to take through the process first. But I still have him as a dark horse possibility. Cannot ignore his numbers.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    1. That’s what I’ve heard about Bush, as well. “If he were 2 inches taller, he’d be the top ILB in this draft.” But, that’s all that I really know about him (my knowledge about his play is limited).

    2. Why is Hodges projected in R4-R6 (versus R2)? I’m really asking.

    3. Which ILB(s) do indeed project as a R2 pick(s)?

    SUMMATION:
    If we don’t go ILB at 20, I’m trying to figure out who we would indeed target in R2 (or R3).
    1. Bush is a guy that might check in around 5'11", 230lbs and kind of reminds me of Sean Spence while at Miami. Words like instinctive, speedy, playmaker, leader all seem to stick to him. I watched a few Michigan games this season and he is always around the football, making tackles and seeing the play before it unfolds. He seems thicker in the lower body than Spence was in college and reminds me of Zach Thomas the way he takes on RB's in the hole.

    2. Hodges is something like 6'2" 255lbs and after I watched him in the East-West Shrine game, he reminds me of less athletic version of former Steeler ILB Earl Holmes. In that game, he repeatedly stood in place while trying to diagnose the play, chose the wrong hole in the run game, was late to drop in the pass game and it always seemed like 3 or 4 players got to the ballcarrier before him. On a goal line play from the 3 yard line he blindly took the wrong gap and never saw the RB until he was 5 yards past him in the end zone.

    I honestly would not spend a 6th round pick on him, as it doesn't look like he runs well enough or has lateral change of direction to even be a good special teamer. Hodges was not invited to the NFL combine. How many 2nd round prospects don't get invited to the combine?

    3. as B2S says, Tre Lamar might be around from Clemson. Germaine Pratt from NC State is intriguing and I need to break down some tape of him. Pratt is a former Safety and he recorded the fastest speed at Sr. Bowl practice (20.4mph) according to next Gen Stats. In comparison, last year James Washington WR from OSU was the fastest, clocked at 21.25mph and Leonard Fournette the prior year at 22.05 mph.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    @El-G
    Thank you.

    I loved Spence coming out of college. I was ecstatic when we drafted both DeCastro AND Spence. I truly think that Spence’s injury set us back several years on defense. If he had continued to develop, we would not have needed to draft Shazier (and maybe we trade up to get Aaron Donald???... or, simply drafted DeMarcus Lawrence instead).

    Spence getting injured followed by Shazier getting injured, basically means that we have been looking for an ILB since 2012.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    ESPN’s Todd McShay said that “ten years from now, we’re going to say Limas Sweed was the most productive and most talented wide receiver in the 2008 NFL Draft class.”
    Just saying...

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    NOBODY knew Sweed was going to have the issues he did.

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    Nope. Nobody did. I’ve been on record several times saying I’d still make that pick today...was the only pick in that draft that I liked. The rest made me sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Nope. Nobody did. I’ve been on record several times saying I’d still make that pick today...was the only pick in that draft that I liked. The rest made me sick.
    Still does make me sick...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Nope. Nobody did. I’ve been on record several times saying I’d still make that pick today...was the only pick in that draft that I liked. The rest made me sick.
    As I’ve posted numerous times: If that pick were to come up again, knowing now what I know, I’d still select Linas Sweed in R2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Nope. Nobody did. I’ve been on record several times saying I’d still make that pick today...was the only pick in that draft that I liked. The rest made me sick.
    Kudos to you for sticking to that statement! Sweed was the all time leading receiver at Texas and coming off a hand injury, so 2nd round looked like it might be a steal and as you say, nobody knew he was going to have the troubles he did.

    Also, you are correct the rest of the draft of Bruce Davis(the precursor of J Jones OLB bust), Tony Hills(project bust) and Dennis Dixon, Mike Humpal was horrible at the time. I thought Mendenhall was going to be a big contributor at the RB spot, but was on record as saying we needed to draft O line and either Jeremy Zuttah in the 1st, Anthony Collins in the 3rd or Carl Nicks in the 4th should have been selected at some point.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Nope. Nobody did. I’ve been on record several times saying I’d still make that pick today...was the only pick in that draft that I liked. The rest made me sick.
    I was certain they had gotten the best WR in that draft. I was also pretty sure Mendenhall was going to be pretty good as well. I also agree, Sweed was the pick 10 times out of 10.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Kudos to you for sticking to that statement! Sweed was the all time leading receiver at Texas and coming off a hand injury, so 2nd round looked like it might be a steal and as you say, nobody knew he was going to have the troubles he did.

    Also, you are correct the rest of the draft of Bruce Davis(the precursor of J Jones OLB bust), Tony Hills(project bust) and Dennis Dixon, Mike Humpal was horrible at the time. I thought Mendenhall was going to be a big contributor at the RB spot, but was on record as saying we needed to draft O line and either Jeremy Zuttah in the 1st, Anthony Collins in the 3rd or Carl Nicks in the 4th should have been selected at some point.
    Bruce Davis Over Cliff Avril...I was soooooo angry...lol.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Bruce Davis Over Cliff Avril...I was soooooo angry...lol.
    You and me both. Avril was clearly the better prospect, but I think they loved the sack totals of Davis. I watched Davis highlights and he never engaged the OT to get his sacks. Its like he was afraid of the contact.

    The other was that I was screaming in the 4th to take Carl Nicks, but they took Tony Hills. Nicks actually went in the 5th round to the Saints and possibly the HOF. SMH

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    You and me both. Avril was clearly the better prospect, but I think they loved the sack totals of Davis. I watched Davis highlights and he never engaged the OT to get his sacks. Its like he was afraid of the contact.

    The other was that I was screaming in the 4th to take Carl Nicks, but they took Tony Hills. Nicks actually went in the 5th round to the Saints and possibly the HOF. SMH
    My biggest one was from another draft...2006. I remember yelling at them to draft Brandon Marshall instead of Wee Willie Reid. So mad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    My biggest one was from another draft...2006. I remember yelling at them to draft Brandon Marshall instead of Wee Willie Reid. So mad...
    Man, I wonder how that would have worked out as he went thru his psychological disorder diagnosis? Imagine subtracting Willie Reid, Bruce Davis and Tony Hills and adding Marshall, Carl Nicks and Cliff Avril to the roster in those seasons??

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Man, I wonder how that would have worked out as he went thru his psychological disorder diagnosis? Imagine subtracting Willie Reid, Bruce Davis and Tony Hills and adding Marshall, Carl Nicks and Cliff Avril to the roster in those seasons??
    Yeah that would've really changed the look of some of those teams! I don't have time right now to work through all the implications, but it would be fun to start in like 2006 and redraft through about 2008 or 2009.

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    just posted today on twitter a few of my old tweets on the draft from the past 2 seasons ...

    the " barely anybody else sees this " but I do hot takes ..

    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now

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    Re: Todd McShay Mock Draft 2.0: Steelers select an ILB to help complete their LB corps

    Quote Originally Posted by slippy View Post
    Conner has not been the same since his concussion and Samuels had one great game.
    Conner was over used, Samules shined against who, the super bowl champions. Next season, I can see a 70/30 spilt between the two players in terms of carries and catches, and the Steelers will be better because of it.

    Conner needs to work on ball security. Samules pass blocking.

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