Antonio Brown Reportedly Involved In Domestic Dispute

[Mojouw]

Crappy people revealed to be crappy people. Also in the news today, water is wet, the sky is blue, fire is hot, and ice is cold.

[tube517]

Change his last name to Cromartie and it all starts to make sense now.

[Born2Steel]

Yep - Framing how the woman is identified gives away the game on what narrative is being shopped.

Depending if you go with “victim,” “mother of his child,” “intruder” or “baby mama” sets up nicely how the incident is defined after that.

I recently saw a meme(I think it was a meme, old gen here). Anyway, it had Ron Burgandy in an over under panel. Top panel reads “The news used to tell you something happened and you had to decide how you felt about it”. The bottom panel read “Today the news tells you how you should feel and you have to decide if anything actually happened”. I may have even seen it somewhere on this forum. I wouldn’t know where to look though. But damn it rings truth.

[HollywoodSteel]

his trade value is dropping like a rock ...

we are a drug arrest away from looking at a bag of used footballs and a kicking tee as compensation

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guessing he told her to take the daughter for the hair apt and he would reimburse ...

time came to live up to the deal and he was stoned and didnt want bothered and pushed her down .....

either way he is a piece of shit in my book

You’re obviously entitled to that opinion - and if the story played out as you assume then I’ll agree that Brown is something of a POS - but you have to admit that you are making assumptions here. I know you’re not a court of law, so you’re free to do that, but don’t you think it’s possible that her version of events isn’t the whole story? We don’t know what he agreed to or what this woman had done to make her unwelcome in his home. I won’t justify any version where he put hands on her to actually hurt her, but there is also no version where she had the right to forcefully enter his home... unless the child was in danger, but that isn’t her claim.

Is there no version of events where a man has the right to not allow an intruder into his home? What ARE his options?
Does he just HAVE to let her inside? Because the intruder can use physical force but the resident of the home has no rights? Or can the resident use the least amount of force possible to remove the intruder from his doorway after REPEATEDLY telling her that she can not enter?

Do we want a society where the man has no rights in this situation?

None of us know exactly what happened except that AB was not arrested. If reasonable evidence existed that a crime occurred, the police HAVE TO arrest him.

The fact that he wasn’t arrested doesn’t prove that AB acted perfectly, but that’s not his responsibility to prove.

Think about the whole Ben accusation thing. He had a pattern of bad behavior. Accusations with no arrests. We are all free to form our own opinions, but I think it’s the league’s (and team’s) responsibility to NOT jump to the conclusions you’re jumping to.


As far as trade value... am I the only one who WANTS his trade value to drop so that the Steelers and AB are forced to put their big boy pants on and work it out?

[steel striker]

I hate to say this but, I think it time to trade him. Sure no doubt we will miss his production but, his act is getting old. I read somewhere it would be a huge cap like 21 mil?

[AtlantaDan]

You’re obviously entitled to that opinion - and if the story played out as you assume then I’ll agree that Brown is something of a POS - but you have to admit that you are making assumptions here. I know you’re not a court of law, so you’re free to do that, but don’t you think it’s possible that her version of events isn’t the whole story? We don’t know what he agreed to or what this woman had done to make her unwelcome in his home. I won’t justify any version where he put hands on her to actually hurt her, but there is also no version where she had the right to forcefully enter his home... unless the child was in danger, but that isn’t her claim.

Is there no version of events where a man has the right to not allow an intruder into his home? What ARE his options?
Does he just HAVE to let her inside? Because the intruder can use physical force but the resident of the home has no rights? Or can the resident use the least amount of force possible to remove the intruder from his doorway after REPEATEDLY telling her that she can not enter?

Applicable Florida statute here

Under Section 776.012, Florida Statutes, a person is justified in the use of non-deadly force in self-defense where the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other’s imminent use of unlawful force. There is no duty to retreat. If the defendant is in his or her home or vehicle, then, under Section 776.013, Florida Statutes, the law will presume that the defendant had a reasonable fear of imminent death or bodily harm if the alleged victim unlawfully entered or remained or attempted to remove another person against their will. A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter another’s home or vehicle is furthermore presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/case...fense-florida/

Of course when you are a high profile personality who has been in numerous sketchy encounters with law enforcement in Florida and Pennsylvania over the past year what you can do and what you might do instead (call the cops to defuse an escalating situation, assuming illegal activities such as illegal drug use would not be found when the authorities arrive) are two different matters

But rather than let matters simmer down why not escalate the situation instead?

This was AB's attorney yesterday

But surprise - AB's attorney does have more to say today

"The complainant unnecessarily involved my client’s minor child in her false reporting, causing irreparable harm to a minor child," Heitner says.

"Therefore, Antonio Brown’s family law attorney, Jaclyn Soroka, Esq. will be filing an action with the Court today, seeking full legal custody of his child accordingly."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...rs/2790732002/

That could be a fun filled custody hearing if the woman wants to fight custody, involving someone who is not likely to be winning any father of the year awards, that might draw Goodell's interest

The primary factors that the court will look at to determine how to award custody are the following:...

2. Parents' mental, physical and moral status;...

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/florid...n-florida.html

Have you ever used controlled substances in a jurisdiction where the use and possession of those drugs is illegal? How many times and what substances?

Have you ever purchased controlled substances in a jurisdiction where the use and possession of those drugs is illegal? How many times and in what amount?

Have you ever engaged in activity that recklessly endangers the lives of minor children and others (furniture tossing)

Have you ever failed to properly secure firearms ("stolen" guns) and associated with individuals who you contend have engaged in felonious conduct ("stolen" guns and cash reported to PA and FL authorities)

For what purposes was it necessary to have substantial sums of cash that allegedly were stolen from your residence? Have you ever structured deposits and withdrawals of cash to avoid the requirement that banks report to federal authorities cash transactions in excess of $10,000?

Have you ever filed a false police report (reporting the "stolen" vehicle that AB "found" when the police showed up to investigate)?

Add this attorney to the list of individuals who should STFU

[GoSlash27]

his trade value is dropping like a rock ...

we are a drug arrest away from looking at a bag of used footballs and a kicking tee as compensation.

Well, Boswell *could* use the extra practice

[vader29]

Well, Boswell *could* use the extra practice

[86WARD]

Applicable Florida statute here

Under Section 776.012, Florida Statutes, a person is justified in the use of non-deadly force in self-defense where the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other’s imminent use of unlawful force. There is no duty to retreat. If the defendant is in his or her home or vehicle, then, under Section 776.013, Florida Statutes, the law will presume that the defendant had a reasonable fear of imminent death or bodily harm if the alleged victim unlawfully entered or remained or attempted to remove another person against their will. A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter another’s home or vehicle is furthermore presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/case...fense-florida/

Of course when you are a high profile personality who has been in numerous sketchy encounters with law enforcement in Florida and Pennsylvania over the past year what you can do and what you might do instead (call the cops to defuse an escalating situation, assuming illegal activities such as illegal drug use would not be found when the authorities arrive) are two different matters

But rather than let matters simmer down why not escalate the situation instead?

This was AB's attorney yesterday

But surprise - AB's attorney does have more to say today

"The complainant unnecessarily involved my client’s minor child in her false reporting, causing irreparable harm to a minor child," Heitner says.

"Therefore, Antonio Brown’s family law attorney, Jaclyn Soroka, Esq. will be filing an action with the Court today, seeking full legal custody of his child accordingly."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...rs/2790732002/

That could be a fun filled custody hearing if the woman wants to fight custody, involving someone who is not likely to be winning any father of the year awards, that might draw Goodell's interest

The primary factors that the court will look at to determine how to award custody are the following:...

2. Parents' mental, physical and moral status;...

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/florid...n-florida.html

Have you ever used controlled substances in a jurisdiction where the use and possession of those drugs is illegal? How many times and what substances?

Have you ever purchased controlled substances in a jurisdiction where the use and possession of those drugs is illegal? How many times and in what amount?

Have you ever engaged in activity that recklessly endangers the lives of minor children and others (furniture tossing)

Have you ever failed to properly secure firearms ("stolen" guns) and associated with individuals who you contend have engaged in felonious conduct ("stolen" guns and cash reported to PA and FL authorities)

For what purposes was it necessary to have substantial sums of cash that allegedly were stolen from your residence? Have you ever structured deposits and withdrawals of cash to avoid the requirement that banks report to federal authorities cash transactions in excess of $10,000?

Have you ever filed a false police report (reporting the "stolen" vehicle that AB "found" when the police showed up to investigate)?

Add this attorney to the list of individuals who should STFU

What makes you say AB isn’t a good father? Just because he’s an entitled asshole diva at times doesn’t mean he’s not good at being a father.

[AtlantaDan]

What makes you say AB isn’t a good father? Just because he’s an entitled asshole diva at times doesn’t mean he’s not good at being a father.

I said he was not likely to be winning any father of the year awards - the Florida statute I cited described the statutory factors that are relevant to getting custody of your child (aka being determined by the court a good parent). AB checks boxes for apparent misconduct that do not argue in favor of getting exclusive custody. You can love your children and still be deemed a lousy parent by a court.

As part of being an entitled asshole diva he also had to be taken to court after he fell behind on child support payments and violated the terms of visitation rights. Keeping current on child support payments when you are not between jobs and have the cash is IMO on the to do list for being a good father, but that's just me.

In legal docs filed in Florida, Shameika Brailsford -- who had a child with Brown back in 2007 -- claimed the NFL star failed to cough up child support for the last eight months ... to the tune of $6,000. Despite Brown's big payday, his child support obligation is only $750 a month

After reviewing the case, a judge came back last month and sided with Shameika. Brown was ordered to fork over the cash. He was also ordered to follow the custody rules ... i.e. let Shameika see her kid.

https://www.tmz.com/2012/11/11/nfl-a...port-payments/

Of course I suppose what really matters are cute photo ops at post game press conferences with your kids.

As I have posted repeatedly, I really do not give a damn what these guys are like away from the Steelers until it starts impacting their performance.

If AB acting out or seeking custody opens up a can of worms on conduct that gets him suspended or tanks his trade value that is of interest to me.

[Dwinsgames]

Well, Boswell *could* use the extra practice

[NCSteeler]

Is this guy intentionally running his trade value in the ground. Seriously WTF are you doing dumbass

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[86WARD]

I said he was not likely to be winning any father of the year awards - the Florida statute I cited described the statutory factors that are relevant to getting custody of your child (aka being determined by the court a good parent). AB checks boxes for apparent misconduct that do not argue in favor of getting exclusive custody. You can love your children and still be deemed a lousy parent by a court.

As part of being an entitled asshole diva he also had to be taken to court after he fell behind on child support payments and violated the terms of visitation rights. Keeping current on child support payments when you are not between jobs and have the cash is IMO on the to do list for being a good father, but that's just me.

In legal docs filed in Florida, Shameika Brailsford -- who had a child with Brown back in 2007 -- claimed the NFL star failed to cough up child support for the last eight months ... to the tune of $6,000. Despite Brown's big payday, his child support obligation is only $750 a month

After reviewing the case, a judge came back last month and sided with Shameika. Brown was ordered to fork over the cash. He was also ordered to follow the custody rules ... i.e. let Shameika see her kid.

https://www.tmz.com/2012/11/11/nfl-a...port-payments/

Of course I suppose what really matters are cute photo ops at post game press conferences with your kids.

As I have posted repeatedly, I really do not give a damn what these guys are like away from the Steelers until it starts impacting their performance.

If AB acting out or seeking custody opens up a can of worms on conduct that gets him suspended or tanks his trade value that is of interest to me.

Still doesn’t mean he’s a lousy parent. You can be a dickhead, an asshole, a diva or all of them but still be a good parent to your kids. Also not having custody of your kid doesn’t mean your a bad parent. In a lot of cases the person that has primary custody isn’t the better parent.

[DesertSteel]

Still doesn’t mean he’s a lousy parent. You can be a dickhead, an asshole, a diva or all of them but still be a good parent to your kids. Also not having custody of your kid doesn’t mean your a bad parent. In a lot of cases the person that has primary custody isn’t the better parent.

So you can make millions but skip out on measly $750 child support payments and still be considered a good parent? I have a different definition of a good parent.

[86WARD]

So you can make millions but skip out on measly $750 child support payments and still be considered a good parent? I have a different definition of a good parent.

How often has he missed payments and is he the one writing the checks?

[fansince'76]

I understand the league office has now gotten hold of it. Wonder how many games Kommissar Goodell will suspend him for...

[DesertSteel]

How often has he missed payments and is he the one writing the checks?

What difference does it make who's writing the checks when it's YOUR CHILD?!

[AtlantaDan]

I understand the league office has now gotten hold of it. Wonder how many games Kommissar Goodell will suspend him for...

Perfect timing that consideration by the league office of this latest mess will not be resolved and create further uncertainty on AB's trade value while the Steelers are trying to trade AB before the $2.5 million roster bonus is due to be paid in March.

[DesertSteel]

What team wouldn't want a guy who throws TVs off balconies and nearly kills people, pushes women down, and quits on his team in an elimination game? Business is boomin!

[86WARD]

What difference does it make who's writing the checks when it's YOUR CHILD?!

It makes a big difference if some accountant is the one who just forgets to write a check versus AB/bad dad refusing to write a check.

Question is...how many payments did he miss and are there outstanding payments or was this an accounting error that was corrected later. There’s a very big difference there as well.

[DesertSteel]

It makes a big difference if some accountant is the one who just forgets to write a check versus AB/bad dad refusing to write a check.

Question is...how many payments did he miss and are there outstanding payments or was this an accounting error that was corrected later. There’s a very big difference there as well.

Matters to you but not me. Or the court for that matter.

[86WARD]

Matters to you but not me. Or the court for that matter.

So has legal action been taken against him for missing a payment or is this just here-say from a TMZ reporter?

[DesertSteel]

So has legal action been taken against him for missing a payment or is this just here-say from a TMZ reporter?

Maybe Atlanta Dan can answer that. I’m just speaking as a father.

[steelcityboyz]

AB reminds me of some of those music groups, who always had that one asshole member who thought he was bigger than the group. Guess what, that Idiot always ended up broke or on drugs, or both. I hope I'm wrong and he changes his ways and reconciles with the team but all I see now is a train wreck.

[AtlantaDan]

So has legal action been taken against him for missing a payment or is this just here-say from a TMZ reporter?

TMZ article I linked said a judge ordered AB to pay six months back child support payments and quit screwing around on denying visitation rights. Unless someone files some sort of motion or complaint, judges have enough to do without randomly asking parents to drop by and let the judge know if everyone is happy with the status of child support payments.

Once a hearing of any kind is set first thing judges usually ask is why are you taking my time up with this rather than just work it out. So before taking AB to court the petitioner probably asked for the money and did not get it, assuming she does not regard paying an attorney and going to court to be fun times. That would indicate it was not a matter of some accountant forgetting to mail the check.

Of course maybe TMZ made the whole thing up as part of the media's years long vendetta against AB.

[86WARD]

Maybe Atlanta Dan can answer that. I’m just speaking as a father.

I'm not disagreeing with you if he's missed multiple payments then the guy is just an asshole. But if it's just one, it could just be a missed payment.

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TMZ article I linked said a judge ordered AB to pay six months back child support payments and quit screwing around on denying visitation rights. Unless someone files some sort of motion or complaint, judges have enough to do without randomly asking parents to drop by and let the judge know if everyone is happy with the status of child support payments.

Once a hearing of any kind is set first thing judges usually ask is why are you taking my time up with this rather than just work it out. So before taking AB to court the petitioner probably asked for the money and did not get it, assuming she does not regard paying an attorney and going to court to be fun times. That would indicate it was not a matter of some accountant forgetting to mail the check.

Of course maybe TMZ made the whole thing up as part of the media's years long vendetta against AB.

Well if it really is/was 6 months, then the guy is a flat out asshole. I'm not exactly sure it makes him a bad father as much as just being a prick and making it difficult for the baby momma. Does AB have full custody? From what's written there, it sounds like he does?

[AtlantaDan]

Well if it really is/was 6 months, then the guy is a flat out asshole. I'm not exactly sure it makes him a bad father as much as just being a prick and making it difficult for the baby momma. Does AB have full custody? From what's written there, it sounds like he does?

You need a scorecard to keep track of the mothers of AB's children

This is from the article published in The Undefeated last year that prompted AB to tweet out a threat to punch the writer (for which AB later made the obligatory pro forma apology)

Eleven-year-old Antonio Jr. is the son of Shameika Brailsford, an aspiring rapper with two Nicki Minaj-type songs on Soundcloud. Ten-year-old Antanyiah, a budding track star, is the daughter of a hairstylist. Brown does not follow either of their mothers on Instagram. Autonomy, Ali, and 1-year-old Apollo are the sons of Chelsie Kyriss, Brown’s current girlfriend.

https://theundefeated.com/features/s...-full-picture/

With regard to custody disputes, AB currently is seeking full custody of one daughter because of the "domestic dispute" last month involving the mother of one of his children and subsequent media coverage

The girl's mother, 30-year-old Wiltrice Jackson, told police in January that he pushed her to the ground when she was dropping the daughter off at his Florida mansion. However, police were unable to corroborate Jackson's allegation after she refused to complete a victim affidavit. ...

'Antonio Brown's family law attorney, Jaclyn Soroka, Esq. will be filing an action with the Court today seeking full legal custody of his child accordingly. '
Soroka confirmed Heinter's statement to the Daily Mail, saying that she would be filing a modification action for Brown in Miami on Wednesday, seeking '100 percent or the vast majority' of custody of the couple's daughter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-daughter.html

With regard to Ms. Brailsford, the mother of his son Antonio, Jr., to whom AB was ordered to make back child support payments to in 2012, it appears joint custody remains in effect. At least that is my guess based on this exchange of views in 2017.

Last summer, Brailsford aired Brown out on her Instagram, accusing him of not paying proper child support, failing to send Antonio Jr. to private school and calling their son “that boy.” She also posted screenshots of text messages where Brown, clearly instigated, called her all sorts of names. “Make your own son b—-,” Brown texted, according to Brailsford’s posts. “I got three more boys here.”

Brown fired back by posting bank statements showing $197,000 in child support payments, plus a Story showing Kyriss holding their newborn son, Apollo, with his tiny middle finger flexed and the caption, “My son sums it up.”

https://theundefeated.com/features/s...-full-picture/

AB's life appears to have gone somewhat off the rails.

[Mojouw]

You need a scorecard to keep track of the mothers of AB's children

This is from the article published in The Undefeated last year that prompted AB to tweet out a threat to punch the writer (for which AB later made the obligatory pro forma apology)

Eleven-year-old Antonio Jr. is the son of Shameika Brailsford, an aspiring rapper with two Nicki Minaj-type songs on Soundcloud. Ten-year-old Antanyiah, a budding track star, is the daughter of a hairstylist. Brown does not follow either of their mothers on Instagram. Autonomy, Ali, and 1-year-old Apollo are the sons of Chelsie Kyriss, Brown’s current girlfriend.

https://theundefeated.com/features/s...-full-picture/

With regard to custody disputes, AB currently is seeking full custody of one daughter because of the "domestic dispute" last month involving the mother of one of his children and subsequent media coverage

The girl's mother, 30-year-old Wiltrice Jackson, told police in January that he pushed her to the ground when she was dropping the daughter off at his Florida mansion. However, police were unable to corroborate Jackson's allegation after she refused to complete a victim affidavit. ...

'Antonio Brown's family law attorney, Jaclyn Soroka, Esq. will be filing an action with the Court today seeking full legal custody of his child accordingly. '
Soroka confirmed Heinter's statement to the Daily Mail, saying that she would be filing a modification action for Brown in Miami on Wednesday, seeking '100 percent or the vast majority' of custody of the couple's daughter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-daughter.html

With regard to Ms. Brailsford, the mother of his son Antonio, Jr., to whom AB was ordered to make back child support payments to in 2012, it appears joint custody remains in effect. At least that is my guess based on this exchange of views in 2017.

Last summer, Brailsford aired Brown out on her Instagram, accusing him of not paying proper child support, failing to send Antonio Jr. to private school and calling their son “that boy.” She also posted screenshots of text messages where Brown, clearly instigated, called her all sorts of names. “Make your own son b—-,” Brown texted, according to Brailsford’s posts. “I got three more boys here.”

Brown fired back by posting bank statements showing $197,000 in child support payments, plus a Story showing Kyriss holding their newborn son, Apollo, with his tiny middle finger flexed and the caption, “My son sums it up.”

https://theundefeated.com/features/s...-full-picture/

AB's life appears to have gone somewhat off the rails.

Sounds like it was never really on the rails.

[86WARD]

I’ll be honest...I’m lost...lol

[Edman]

The Madden Curse takes no prisoners.