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    Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Paul Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    PAUL ZEISE
    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
    JAN 17, 2019

    Antonio Brown has done a masterful job of making himself public enemy No. 1 around these parts, and it almost seems like he is relishing it. There is no question he has been a selfish player and at times has been a distraction.

    He is the one of the best receivers in the NFL and yet there is now a growing school of thought that trading him away will solve many of the Steelers’ problems — that once he and his sideshow are gone, everything will go back to normal.

    That is 100 percent nonsense.

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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    We'll see. All I know is no team has ever won a SB with AB.
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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    We'll see. All I know is no team has ever won a SB with AB.
    True. But no team has won with the roster the Steelers are fielding. Actually, the roster the Steelers are fielding, combined with the coaching staff they have hasn't won a division title or a playoff game.

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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Agreed, there are plenty of problems top to bottom and it starts at the top with art Rooney pretending there isn't a problem.

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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    True. But no team has won with the roster the Steelers are fielding. Actually, the roster the Steelers are fielding, combined with the coaching staff they have hasn't won a division title or a playoff game.
    It's just as true to say they haven't lost a single game either.
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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    Agreed, there are plenty of problems top to bottom and it starts at the top with art Rooney pretending there isn't a problem.
    Rooney needs to think if he wants to remain a legitimate NFL owner. The fans deserve better than what is being played on the field. Consistently underachieving is not how its done by the Steelers historically in the Super Bowl era. If he cannot make the hard decisions then he needs to think about the next owner who will.
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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    We'll see. All I know is no team has ever won a SB with AB.
    No team won a Super Bowl with Barry Sanders either, but how much better off were the Lions after he left?

    LeBron James didn't win any championships during his first stretch in Cleveland, and how did they do after he left?

    Pointing out that our own team has been unable to solve its problems is not a very compelling argument for getting rid of one of its best players, and thereby creating another problem to deal with.
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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    No team won a Super Bowl with Barry Sanders either, but how much better off were the Lions after he left?

    LeBron James didn't win any championships during his first stretch in Cleveland, and how did they do after he left?

    Pointing out that our own team has been unable to solve its problems is not a very compelling argument for getting rid of one of its best players, and thereby creating another problem to deal with.
    Sanders and James didn't bring along the baggage AB does.
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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    Sanders and James didn't bring along the baggage AB does.
    But Randy Moss did. Michael Irvin did. Plaxico Burress did. Andre Rison did.

    They all carried the baggage that AB carries...some worse. They all win Super Bowls.

    Talent and Super Bowls have more of a correlation than baggage and Super Bowls. “Baggage” is not really an argument that stands up. There’s plenty of awesome players that never won or sniffed a Super Bowl with no baggage. There’s plenty of talented players with baggage that have lost Super Bowls. There’s plenty of talented players with baggage that won Super Bowls. Christ there’s even players that have baggage and left their Super Bowl team...right before the game...lol.

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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    No team won a Super Bowl with Barry Sanders either, but how much better off were the Lions after he left?

    LeBron James didn't win any championships during his first stretch in Cleveland, and how did they do after he left?

    Pointing out that our own team has been unable to solve its problems is not a very compelling argument for getting rid of one of its best players, and thereby creating another problem to deal with.
    You mean like Morgan Burnett?

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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    They all carried the baggage that AB carries...some worse.

    Liar

    Malcontents only reside on Tomlin-coached teams.

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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Liar

    Malcontents only reside on Tomlin-coached teams.
    True. It’s a terrible culture...

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    Re: Zeise: Trading Antonio Brown will not fix the Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    Sanders and James didn't bring along the baggage AB does.
    Sanders didn't, but James has been a drama queen everywhere he's played, and is known for trying to play GM starting from his Cleveland days. And drama or no drama, the Lions were going 4-12 without Sanders no matter how you cut it.

    That's kind of the point: Brown's drama isn't costing us games. Just like the Shaq-Kobe drama wasn't costing the Lakers games. Shaq left and then nobody was winning shit. In hindsight, I bet everyone wishes they'd not done it that way.

    One other thing that really pisses me off about this is, if we trade Brown, whoever ends up with him is getting him for two-thirds his cost for the next 3 seasons, because we paid his signing bonus. And they also get the most team-friendly, no-strings-attached contract with an easy out at any time, because we paid the signing bonus and ate the dead money already.

    Fuck doing that. Let him sit on the bench if he's that much of a jackass.
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