I think this needs to be changed. This is the worst penalty in the game and it is killing the game in a way for me.
At the spot of the foul, on a judgement call with no chance to have it reviewed (which is the worst part). This is just horrible right now and these chucks into the air are happening more and more across the league. Especially when it happens at the end zone like today.
That was just gross and disappointing.
It needs to somehow change.
Maybe it gets changed in the offseason, like the Jesse James catch/no catch last season. I agree the Haden PI in the end zone was the wrong call and it cost 7 points.Originally Posted by lipps83
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Agreed. These are often called wrong in real time and often change the outcome of games.
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They needed to adopt the college PI rule years ago.
I hope so. At least if it happens in the end zone, maybe allow those to be reviewed before placing the ball at the one. That was just horrible and it has happened many times.
I know it is at the spot of the foul to keep a receiver from getting mugged, but come on. It can't just be a judgment call, especially at the end zone. That is too huge of a mistake to make.
What made the Haden call a thousand times worse is that it was fourth down and should have been our ball at midfield.
I hate the spot foul crap. Just make it 15 yards.
And let them play. Way too many ticky tacky calls for holding that keep drives alive. It just smells like legalized gambling is "influencing" these calls.
What is the college rule? I haven't watched that since I moved out of state 20 years ago.
More and more games are being decided by obvious mistakes and phantom calls, and yet the league does nothing.
My son and I were easily able to name several officiating crews noted for bad calls regularly.
When we tried to name good crews we struggled to come up with even one.
Bad sign for the game when fans know officials so well.
The problem with that though on a 20 yard throw you could mug the receiver and only get 15 yards max. At that point you could just pull him to the ground, unless they make that type of action a personal foul and add another 15.
There is a way to do it I am sure, but it can't just be 15 max.
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The NFL and its owners only care about making money. Roger is the godfather and the owners are the 32 families under his rule.
I said in the game thread. Worst PI call on Haden that I seen in 40 years of watching football. That Ref should be fired pronto after the game! Of course nothing will happen to him.
Even if that play is reviewable I believe it would stand, Haden did, in fact, put his hands on him before the ball sailed over his head. I don't believe the refs would overturn the call, by the letter of the law, it was pass interference.
PI needs to be challengeable or reviewable.
From SBNation:
It would certainly help to put an end to the moonball-and-a-prayer BS which has become far too prevalent, IMO.In college, the penalty for defensive pass interference is 15 yards if the foul happened more than that distance downfield. If it happened closer to the line of scrimmage, the ball goes to the spot of the foul. So in college, if a receiver gets hauled down while trying to catch a deep ball 50 yards downfield, the offense doesn’t get those 50 yards. It gets 15.
Considering how much the officials get wrong, pretty much EVERYTHING they call needs to be made reviewable.
I think the PI rule in the NFL is much better and truer than in college. If it's a 50-yard bomb and I'm getting beat as a cornerback, I intentionally pass interfere. A 15-yard penalty sure beats being beat for 50 yards. You'd have to beat me three more times to equal that one pass. PI's should be at the spot it happened.
I'm kind of shocked that they haven't done this yet. Spot of the foul is ridiculous, and it just begs for chucking the ball downfield in hopes of drawing the penalty.
If a ball is thrown downfield in the NFL, an uncontested or open receiver is probably going to catch the ball. If he’s interfered with and not given a chance to catch it, it should be a spot foul. The rule has been in place for years and has been just fine.
There’s no,problem with the rule. There’s problems with the officiating...they are two different things...
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If you go by the “letter of the law” and believe that PI should be called whenever a DB touches a WR, PI should be called on every pass play.
I used to think the spot foul was more fair as you basically get the yardage you would have had if no foul was committed, but with NFL officiating being such a tough job to make a split second judgement on "how much" contact was made because there is some on every play, It would minimize the amount of impact a ref has on a game and take some pressure off the ref by not allowing them the chance to completely blow a game for one team or the other with a bad call. The PI in the endzone probably produces a 95%+ TD for the offense. A 15 yard penalty wouldn't be the game changer like it is today. For yesterday's game, the Saints would have still had to drive it in from the 20 with a 1st and 10.
Full.Time.Referees.
Simple and obvious solution that the good ole boys who run this crap fest of a league are too conservative to do.
Ref games during the season. In the off-season you are in simulators and classes. Goal is standardization and replicatbility of game calls across crews.
Maintain a replacement pool of about a dozen guys. If an official isn’t making the grade in games or the sims, he gets relegated to the replacement pool and another official gets elevated. Grades out poorly after a remedial period, he gets bounced.
Make the pay high enough to attract smart and dedicated people. Problem solved. Next?
The talk about full time refs has been going on for years.
It makes perfect sense.
Instead we get insurance agents and bank presidents deciding games.
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The first Haden PI call was ludicrously bad but IMO the league constantly changing the definitions of what is a penalty and other rules (the catch rules being the most egregious example) is at least as big a problem as having a part time work force
The league is moving towards full time refs - my guess is the transition is delayed by not wanting to dump all of the insurance agents and bank presidents (some of who may be among the better officials) all at once and have an 80% turnover in the workforce
This year, the NFL announced today, 24 of the league’s 121 officials will be full-time employees.
“In an effort to improve consistency, efficiency and accuracy, the full-time game officials will work throughout the calendar year on game preparation and game administration, analyzing current game trends, communicating with the clubs, and assisting to ensure that there is a qualified pipeline of future officials,” the league said in a statement.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...this-year/amp/
I disagree.
1. The CB has a right to the ball. Haden has established position, and the receiver backed up into him (slightly). Plus, the ball was coming closer to Haden than the receiver (there was no way the receiver catches that ball) making Haden the primary receiver on the play.
2. You are allowed to touch the receiver, in order to “feel” where he is... as long as you do not change his direction. Haden was looking up, and his hand was checking to see where the receiver was located (and, again the receiver backed up into Haden).
While they're at it, they ought to adopt the college rule about vacating wins and championships if your team is caught cheating.
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15 yards is saying it as egregious as a PF and assumes the receiver will actually catch and then hold on to the ball.
10 yards is plenty and automatic 1st down. A defensive holding is 5 yards and an automatic 1st down. To me, a PI is basically the same as a defensive holding except that is against the "presumed" ball carrier. 15 yards is a lot to give considering they are assuming that the receiver is actually going to catch the ball. How many times do we see them bobble and drop it. 10 yard penalty and automatic 1st down is appropriate for a judgement call by the refs. And one that should be challengable in the light of the fact that the league refuses to do anything about inept officiating.
Only PF and actions that risk the health of the players should be 15 yards. KISS.
Holding (Offensive) When an offensive player uses his hands, arms, or other parts of his body to prevent a defensive player from tackling the ball carrier. 10 yards Holding (Defensive) When a defensive player tackles or holds an offensive player other than the ball carrier. 5 yards
Automatic First DownPass Interference A judgment call made by an official who sees a defensive player make contact with the intended receiver before the ball arrives, thus restricting his opportunity to catch the forward pass.
Horse Collar Tackle When one player tackles another by grabbing inside their shoulder pads (or jersey) from behind and yanking them down. 15 yards
Automatic First DownFace Mask When a player grabs the face mask of another player while attempting to block or tackle. 15 yards
Automatic First DownRoughing the Kicker When a defensive player makes any contact with the punter, provided the defensive player hasn’t touched the kicked ball before contact. 15 yards
Automatic First DownRoughing the Passer When a defensive player makes direct contact with the quarterback after the quarterback has released the ball. 15 yards
Automatic First DownPersonal Foul An illegal, flagrant foul considered risky to the health of another player. 15 yards Spot of the foul
Automatic First Down
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I can get behind that without a problem. I just figured since it is already a spot of the foul penalty that 15 yards is a better solution. I like your scenario better.
My god those were terrible BS PI's that set up three of Saints TD's not to mention Thomas pushed off on their final TD. I agree the NFL should go to just a 15 yard penalty.
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