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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    We beat the Bengals in a meaningless game and finish 8-7-1

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    8-7-1 is probably the record they'll get. Even that might be enough to win the division.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Thank you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    Seriously. Settle down with ripping on people's faith. This is the second post in as many minutes and threads I've read. No need to be offensive to people who have a different belief than you. We all hate the Steelers lost.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerdude15 View Post
    8-7-1 is probably the record they'll get. Even that might be enough to win the division.
    Ravens will beat Tampa at home - Browns beating Ravens in Baltimore in week 17 after Ravens lose @Chargers for Ravens to finish 8-8 would be LOL funny but unlikely

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaDan View Post
    Ravens will beat Tampa at home - Browns beating Ravens in Baltimore in week 17 after Ravens lose @Chargers for Ravens to finish 8-8 would be LOL funny but unlikely
    Wouldn't that be something if the Browns swept the Ravens?

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Couldn’t be worse.
    Absolutely worse. He and his job because I was once a great Steelers linebacker, has been a huge reason we have drafted lots of failires at linebackers. He sucks at coaching. He should be gone after this season too

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    8-7-1. Still might be good enough for the playoffs..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    When did anyone think this team was more than a Divisional Round out in the 2018 playoffs?
    This team has more than enough talent to win the Super Bowl. The coaching sucks. Period.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    8-7-1. Still might be good enough for the playoffs..............

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    This team has more than enough talent to win the Super Bowl. The coaching sucks. Period.
    60 percent of the defense wouldn’t start for several other playoff teams and might not make the roster of at least 4 of the potential playoff squads.

    Haden, Watt, Tuitt, Heyward, and Hargrave are sure-fire starters. Everyone else, depends on the team.

    Several rosters that Fort, Bostic, VW, Sensabaugh, and a few other key role players don’t make.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    If we go 8-7-1 I hope we don't make the playoffs, that'd just mess with our draft position

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    60 percent of the defense wouldn’t start for several other playoff teams and might not make the roster of at least 4 of the potential playoff squads.

    Haden, Watt, Tuitt, Heyward, and Hargrave are sure-fire starters. Everyone else, depends on the team.

    Several rosters that Fort, Bostic, VW, Sensabaugh, and a few other key role players don’t make.
    Yes based on the way they perform. But I have become convinced that the coaching is largely to blame and that if different coaching were in place they would perform much better.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Yes based on the way they perform. But I have become convinced that the coaching is largely to blame and that if different coaching were in place they would perform much better.
    We will never know. That’s essentially like trying to prove a negative.

    The flaws in many of the players can be schemed around to some point but their physical limitations are still gonna be there.

    None of the linebackers can play in space. None of the DBs have ball skills. That’s not changeable.

    While a better coach than Butler might have the entire unit playing better, nothing changes the fact that the individual parts are pretty flawed.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    We will never know. That’s essentially like trying to prove a negative.

    The flaws in many of the players can be schemed around to some point but their physical limitations are still gonna be there.

    None of the linebackers can play in space. None of the DBs have ball skills. That’s not changeable.

    While a better coach than Butler might have the entire unit playing better, nothing changes the fact that the individual parts are pretty flawed.
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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    According to the players and coach, their playoffs started yesterday (and ended as well).

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    60 percent of the defense wouldn’t start for several other playoff teams and might not make the roster of at least 4 of the potential playoff squads.

    Haden, Watt, Tuitt, Heyward, and Hargrave are sure-fire starters. Everyone else, depends on the team.

    Several rosters that Fort, Bostic, VW, Sensabaugh, and a few other key role players don’t make.
    Many many teams Joe Haden does not make ( esp at his price tag ) and many Teams Mike Hilton makes that Haden can not .... Joe is largely living on reputation these days and is the 2nd best cover guy on the team IMO
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerdude15 View Post
    Wouldn't that be something if the Browns swept the Ravens?
    Ask me if I'd be surprised. Go ahead. Ask me.

    To be honest, I could see Ravens beating the Bolts...and coming home and losing to the Browns. They play Baltimore tough almost every time, no matter how bad they suck. And this year they are better than most.

    I'm trying to look at this logically. The Bucs have nothing to play for. The Chargers certainly do, as do the Saints and the Patriots. The Bengals have nothing to play for but pride against a division foe, as do the Brown. My "logical" side says the Ravens should go 2-1 over the next three games, whereas the Steelers could go 1-2. But this is a strange season.

    It will be an interesting three weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    60 percent of the defense wouldn’t start for several other playoff teams and might not make the roster of at least 4 of the potential playoff squads.

    Haden, Watt, Tuitt, Heyward, and Hargrave are sure-fire starters. Everyone else, depends on the team.

    Several rosters that Fort, Bostic, VW, Sensabaugh, and a few other key role players don’t make.
    I think Fort makes most rosters because of special teams, which is why he makes our roster. Bostic makes any team that has a LB injured and out an entire year. He's better than the average backup, but not invest-your-money-in good. As for the others... meh. VW makes most teams if he comes up with them like he did us. I don't think he makes teams now as a FA.


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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    I said a couple weeks ago that I dont think Ben will win another Super Bowl in his career and I stand by it. This team is not a Super Bowl contender this season, so I just want them to with the division and make the playoffs. Not really expecting a playoff spot, but hope to see one.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    All of this plays right into the type of coach Tomlin is. He handles adversity well and rallies his team when things get bad. But when that has run its course he gets exposed for the mediocre coach that he is. Now that he has botched three games in a row, it's time to do the unexpected and beat NE and NO... then get ousted in the first round of the playoffs.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Maybe this team really just wasn't that good? If you look at our schedule, our most impressive wins were against not so great teams. We beat Baltimore who's 7-6, and only dominant win vs Carolina who's a team that is on a 5 game skid. We escaped against Jacksonville who's so bad they don't look like they can even beat themselves. Other wins that were considered quality wins at the time (TB, ATL, CIN), just ended up being crap teams as the season unfolded. So much for Denver being legit, they showed their true colors dropping to the 49ers who are almost as bad as the Raiders.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    All of this plays right into the type of coach Tomlin is. He handles adversity well and rallies his team when things get bad. But when that has run its course he gets exposed for the mediocre coach that he is. Now that he has botched three games in a row, it's time to do the unexpected and beat NE and NO... then get ousted in the first round of the playoffs.
    Yep that's how you keep the heat off and not fix the problems that continue year after year. Having said that I cant see them beating NE or NO. Losing out is probably the best thing that could happen for the long term health of the team

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaDan View Post
    Ravens will beat Tampa at home - Browns beating Ravens in Baltimore in week 17 after Ravens lose @Chargers for Ravens to finish 8-8 would be LOL funny but unlikely
    The Browns would have a realistic chance at winning the next 2, meaning a win over the Ravens in the final game would also put them at 8-7-1 although we would hold the tie breaker.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    I think Fort makes most rosters because of special teams, which is why he makes our roster. Bostic makes any team that has a LB injured and out an entire year. He's better than the average backup, but not invest-your-money-in good. As for the others... meh. VW makes most teams if he comes up with them like he did us. I don't think he makes teams now as a FA.
    Yeah. We can quibble on the #'s and roles, but the bottom line is that the 2018 Pittsburgh Steelers defense has guys starting that would struggle to carve out playing time on many other rosters. It has guys in key back-up/rotational roles that would struggle to make the final 53 for more than a few teams.

    I think that Butler needs to go, but that isn't a magic wand solution. Large swathes of the defensive roster are a wasteland devoid of playmaking ability. That is really really hard to overcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    Many many teams Joe Haden does not make ( esp at his price tag ) and many Teams Mike Hilton makes that Haden can not .... Joe is largely living on reputation these days and is the 2nd best cover guy on the team IMO
    I don't disagree. I was just trying to not have another is Haden good or not argument. I said this summer that Haden was way overpaid versus performance.

    Hilton seems to have regressed. He isn't breaking on the ball as much and giving ground at the goal line was Artie Burns level dumb.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    Maybe this team really just wasn't that good? If you look at our schedule, our most impressive wins were against not so great teams. We beat Baltimore who's 7-6, and only dominant win vs Carolina who's a team that is on a 5 game skid. We escaped against Jacksonville who's so bad they don't look like they can even beat themselves. Other wins that were considered quality wins at the time (TB, ATL, CIN), just ended up being crap teams as the season unfolded. So much for Denver being legit, they showed their true colors dropping to the 49ers who are almost as bad as the Raiders.
    Along with other posters here I thought going into the season the problems from last season had not been solved and that this was a middle of the pack team

    Other than Conner, who had been erratic even before his ankle injury, the Steelers actually have been fairly lucky with injuries, with Gilbert the only long term absence

    Of course it was unlikely Bell would miss the entire season, but the bigger flaws at ILB and the secondary were known going into the season

    Only real unexpected disappointment other than Bell not reporting was Washington failing to develop as the #3 WR after a very good preseason

    So for me it is hard to say this roster grossly under performed given its abilities

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaDan View Post
    Along with other posters here I thought going into the season the problems from last season had not been solved and that this was a middle of the pack team

    Other than Conner, who had been erratic even before his ankle injury, the Steelers actually have been fairly lucky with injuries, with Gilbert the only long term absence

    Of course it was unlikely Bell would miss the entire season, but the bigger flaws at ILB and the secondary were known going into the season

    Only real unexpected disappointment other than Bell not reporting was Washington failing to develop as the #3 WR after a very good preseason

    So for me it is hard to say this roster grossly under performed given its abilities
    I think along the same lines. That is why I am not in favor of tossing Tomlin over. But I DO favor tossing Butler aside.

    Butler took chicken crap and made chicken crap. Unfortunately, the Steelers need a DC who can make chicken salad out of all the misfit toys they call a defensive roster. Not sure if it is all Butler's fault, since the parts are sub-standard -- but his schemes did no one any favors.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I think along the same lines. That is why I am not in favor of tossing Tomlin over. But I DO favor tossing Butler aside.

    Butler took chicken crap and made chicken crap. Unfortunately, the Steelers need a DC who can make chicken salad out of all the misfit toys they call a defensive roster. Not sure if it is all Butler's fault, since the parts are sub-standard -- but his schemes did no one any favors.
    Agreed on Butler - I was not kidding when I posted in the game day thread yesterday that the shot of Butler holding up the 3x5 card as opposed to the dinner menu we see other coordinators placing over their face while they call out the formation was a fitting symbol of the lack of imagination Butler has brought to addressing the personnel shortcomings on defense

    fansince76 summed it up well in his reply post yesterday - it is LeBeau Lite

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaDan View Post
    Agreed on Butler - I was not kidding when I posted in the game day thread yesterday that the shot of Butler holding up the 3x5 card as opposed to the dinner menu we see other coordinators placing over their face while they call out the formation was a fitting symbol of the lack of imagination Butler has brought to addressing the personnel shortcomings on defense

    fansince76 summed it up well in his reply post yesterday - it is LeBeau Lite
    Which would be great and work well if teams were still running the ball 25 times a game and/or throwing West Coast style hitch routes out of 2 WR sets.

    Butler's inability to defend empty sets and multiple vertical routes at the same time is just impossible to wrap your head around. Like you know it is coming because that is what everyone does now. Still no viable plan to stop it.

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    Re: Realistic Expectations for rest of the year.

    i think were looking at ravens going 9-7 as almost a sure thing. (beat the buccaneers and browns, lose to the rams)

    and i think were looking at the steelers going 8-7-1 as almost a sure thing (lose to the patriots and saints, win against the bengals)

    if a tie counts as half a win, the ravens winning percentage will be 0.5625 and ours will be 0.53125, leaving us out of the playoffs






    can someone double check this? this looks like its what it comes down to. we need to go 2 for 3. and most likely no Connor against the patriots. a Tomlin led team down a workhorse RB at the worse possible time. this is starting to become a Tomlin tradition
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    We are not Buffalo, We are not Miami. We are the Steelers, we dont blow out teams, we cock tease for ratings and keep games close.

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