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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Good to see everyone is out on the ledge tonight.


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    Not on the ledge but this team has insanity written all over them. The exact definition of insanity

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    I'm not on the edge, what we saw tonight is a reality.
    I dont get the shock. They lost to the 2nd best team in the AFC. Revealed themselves to be somewhere between the 3rd and 5th best team in the conference. Thats where Ive pegged them from the jump. Why the surprise?

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Ben's INT's is very concerning and has to stop!

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I dont get the shock. They lost to the 2nd best team in the AFC. Revealed themselves to be somewhere between the 3rd and 5th best team in the conference. Thats where Ive pegged them from the jump. Why the surprise?
    The WAY they lost

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    By being soft up the middle on defense and lacking a deep threat on offense? How is this news? They did what theyve done all year on defense. They traded open WRs for the chance to generate pressure. Thats playing with Fire. Got burned. Again, not surprising.


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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I don’t get the shock. They lost to the 2nd best team in the AFC. Revealed themselves to be somewhere between the 3rd and 5th best team in the conference. That’s where I’ve pegged them from the jump. Why the surprise?
    You will.

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I dont get the shock. They lost to the 2nd best team in the AFC. Revealed themselves to be somewhere between the 3rd and 5th best team in the conference. Thats where Ive pegged them from the jump. Why the surprise?
    We are NOT between the 3rd and 5th best team in the conference

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    You will.
    Ill grant I wasnt able to pay close attention to the game tonight. And Im not a rewatcher. But from what I did see, its the same good and same bad as this team has been from Week 1. Add in some crap calls by refs that led to pints and a handful of bad bounces. Pretty easy to see. Whats surprising?


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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelMayhem72 View Post
    We are NOT between the 3rd and 5th best team in the conference

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    Sure they are. And what does it matter? Not enough turnovers on defense to make a deep run.


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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Boils down to this team is inept at making adjustments as well...that's coaching

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelMayhem72 View Post
    We are NOT between the 3rd and 5th best team in the conference
    Actually, they are - the AFC is pretty damn bad all the way around.

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I’ll grant I wasn’t able to pay close attention to the game tonight. And I’m not a rewatcher. But from what I did see, it’s the same good and same bad as this team has been from Week 1. Add in some crap calls by refs that led to pints and a handful of bad bounces. Pretty easy to see. What’s surprising?


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    Nothing, I expect one and done at best.

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelMayhem72 View Post
    Boils down to this team is inept at making adjustments as well...that's coaching

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    With Burnett injured and Burns tanking there are no adjustments to make. Todays plan was to sell out Fort in coverage between the hashes to generate pressure. Almost worked. But fell 3 plays short.

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Sure they are. And what does it matter? Not enough turnovers on defense to make a deep run.


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    If that's what you think then each to his own...can't be considered in the top 5 if all 3 phases are not playing well

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Nothing, I expect one and done at best.
    That was my baseline since first few weeks. Burns and Davis not generating turnovers and Burnett basically being on IR mean the defense is down to pass rush and duct tape and baling wire.


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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Chiefs, Pats, Houston, Denver, San Diego, Baltimore? then Steelers???

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    6th -7th at best in afc

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    That was my baseline since first few weeks. Burns and Davis not generating turnovers and Burnett basically being on IR mean the defense is down to pass rush and duct tape and baling wire.


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    I know you have and are correct, but there is too much helter-skelter team-wide that just seems to continue to carry over year after year. There is too much talent on this team for this to continue but it does. I don't think this team will see another SB for a very long time.

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    I'm putting Denver up there cause they are better than their record shows

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    I know you have and are correct, but there is too much helter-skelter team-wide that just seems to continue to carry over year after year. There is too much talent on this team for this to continue but it does. I don't think this team will see another SB for a very long time.
    To much talent on this team now and even before. That lies on Tomlin that doesn't know how to win with it!

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I dont get the shock. They lost to the 2nd best team in the AFC. Revealed themselves to be somewhere between the 3rd and 5th best team in the conference. Thats where Ive pegged them from the jump. Why the surprise?
    Chargers arent the second best team in the AFC. The Steelers are. They just play like the 7th best and they lost last week to the 8th best...lol.

    Week after week its the same nonsense lately.

    People can analyze and try to rationalize the losses, but the fact is good teams find ways to win, this team has been finding ways to lose. This is a team that should be battling for the number one seeds.

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    you are a Kenny Pickett enabler

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Chargers aren’t the second best team in the AFC. The Steelers are. They just play like the 7th best and they lost last week to the 8th best...lol.

    Week after week it’s the same nonsense lately.

    People can analyze and try to rationalize the losses, but the fact is good teams find ways to win, this team has been finding ways to lose. This is a team that should be battling for the number one seeds.
    IDK, the Chargers QB has 28TD and 6INT with a 115.7 passer rating. That is a pretty good TD:INT ratio for the guy leading their offense.

    The Steelers QB has a 26TD to 13INT ratio with a 95.1 passer rating. Looks like Ben is throwing twice as many game changing INT's than Rivers, so I would say the Chargers are the better team.

    Also, the Chargers didn't try to cover Antonio Brown with a ILB, so I would say that strategically they have a leg up on the Steelers as well.

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    IDK, the Chargers QB has 28TD and 6INT with a 115.7 passer rating. That is a pretty good TD:INT ratio for the guy leading their offense.

    The Steelers QB has a 26TD to 13INT ratio with a 95.1 passer rating. Looks like Ben is throwing twice as many game changing INT's than Rivers, so I would say the Chargers are the better team.

    Also, the Chargers didn't try to cover Antonio Brown with a ILB, so I would say that strategically they have a leg up on the Steelers as well.
    Doesnt mean their better. The Steelers have far more talent in offense than the Chargers do.

    The Chargers have better coaching.

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    you are a Kenny Pickett enabler

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Doesn’t mean their “better”. The Steelers have far more talent in offense than the Chargers do.

    The Chargers have better coaching.
    I'm not sure about the HC since the guy is just getting started. What they do have is a QB who takes better care of the football.

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    The DC and ST Coaches on the Steelers are horrendous.

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    you are a Kenny Pickett enabler

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    I wouldn't give Denver, Baltimore or San Diego a clear edge over the Steelers. Still a month to go. We played as close to perfect as I've seen just a few weeks ago against Carolina. There is time to fix these issues.
    Calls and bounces didn't go our way yesterday. Denver needed 4 to's to squeak out a win at home against us.
    I'll be surprised if we don't win 3 of the last 4 and hold on for the division.

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    I'm not sure about the HC since the guy is just getting started. What they do have is a QB who takes better care of the football.
    Exactly!

    You can have a better O line and better WR's, a better RB, but if the guy that has the football in his hands every time the ball is snapped, doesn't make good plays or decisions, then the offense falters.

    Rivers is playing better than Ben this year. Whiz is calling better game than Fichtner.

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    Re: Ben - Ive earned the right to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Exactly!

    You can have a better O line and better WR's, a better RB, but if the guy that has the football in his hands every time the ball is snapped, doesn't make good plays or decisions, then the offense falters.

    Rivers is playing better than Ben this year. Whiz is calling better game than Fichtner.
    Ray Fittipaldo of the P-G notes the gunslinger is not shooting the intended targets often enough

    The interceptions are a gigantic problem. He has 13. Only Sam Darnold has more. He's not careful. He's careless. He doesn't play to situations in the game. He doesn't have a great feel for how to manage a game. It's gunsling or go home. And the Steelers could be going home for the playoffs if the interceptions continue

    https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...s/201812030113

    Tomlin presides over a team that is not particularly effective at creating turnovers, so he should demand a more conservative approach with his offense. But there’s nothing conservative or even careful about the offense. Not when quarterback Ben Roethlisberger says things like, “I’m going to keep slinging it” when asked about his interception total. Or when offensive coordinator Randy Fichtner says things like, “Why wouldn’t we pass it?” when he was asked about the Steelers leading the league in pass attempts.

    https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...s/201812030134

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Well guess we will find out who Ben throws under the bus tomorrow.

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    Re: Ben - “I’ve earned the right” to criticize teammates

    Quote Originally Posted by JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue View Post
    Well guess we will find out who Ben throws under the bus tomorrow.
    I bet tomorrow is going to be contrite Ben with no ID on anyone other than him who fell short of the standard along with a continuation of the upbeat message from last night that the Steelers have not hit an iceberg but have just paused on their cruise to pick up some ice

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