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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I saw that link and for every positive review of the guy's route running, we can find a negative one. Happens for almost every prospect outside the top 15 to 20 guys each class. I think everyone is assuming that I am passing some sort of final judgement of Washinton's capability and I'm really not. All I am saying is that he has less catches and yards than any other WR drafted in the first 3 rounds of the 2018 draft (10 in total). And he ranks about 16th out of 30 guys in the whole draft class -- with only 5 of the other 15 or so getting playing time.

    I'm asking the question of why that is? In the NFL you tend not to get the ball when either you are not open, the QB doesn't trust you, or you are simply buried behind superior playmakers.

    If everyone seems convinced that it is the third option, then whatever, it is what it is. If it is some aspect of the first two, I wonder if the issue is correctable over time or if Washington has a flaw as a WR that wasn't seen at the college level due to competition, scheme, etc. Since, no one else seems to have a single iota of concern, I'll stop worrying.
    I'd say some of the issues for lack of production from Washington, other than being a rookie are as follows:
    -AB, JuJu, McDonald, James all are good targets that Ben likes and there is only 1 football to go aroun
    - James Conner and the Run game have been emphasized heavily in the offense
    -Randy Fichtner's offense doesn't seem to favor a lot of vertical routes and that was Washington's biggest strength. The crossing routes, bubble screens and digs seem to be more drawn up for AB, JuJu and TE's.
    -Washington may need to refine his ability to run the other routes in the passing tree, instead of just the 7,8 and 9

    He's gonna be OK. I still thought he would be more involved by now, but really didn't know what Fichtner offense was going to be like. A lot of East-West, with blocking WR's and bubble screens like at Memphis or something more vertical like BA.

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    The Steelers are Wide Receiver U....... trust the process...... It'll work out.

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    I'd say some of the issues for lack of production from Washington, other than being a rookie are as follows:
    -AB, JuJu, McDonald, James all are good targets that Ben likes and there is only 1 football to go aroun
    - James Conner and the Run game have been emphasized heavily in the offense
    -Randy Fichtner's offense doesn't seem to favor a lot of vertical routes and that was Washington's biggest strength. The crossing routes, bubble screens and digs seem to be more drawn up for AB, JuJu and TE's.
    -Washington may need to refine his ability to run the other routes in the passing tree, instead of just the 7,8 and 9

    He's gonna be OK. I still thought he would be more involved by now, but really didn't know what Fichtner offense was going to be like. A lot of East-West, with blocking WR's and bubble screens like at Memphis or something more vertical like BA.
    I can see that and get behind that take. I liked the pick when it was made. I really liked it when Washington seemed to have a really good preseason. I liked it less when though half the year he seems to have been lost in the shuffle.

    But, like I said, I am likely just finding something to worry about.

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Every day I log on, I see what should be 6 Lombardi trophies(there is one Lombardi and a pic of Chief).....not 6 Receiving Titles.
    What?

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

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    What?
    "You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    The Steelers are Wide Receiver U....... trust the process...... It'll work out.
    Limas Swed.
    Troy Edwards.
    DeMarcus Ayers.
    Sammie Coates.
    Markus Wheaton.

    There are quite a few that didn’t work out that well...

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    Washington has the physique more like a RB... thick... but, not tall & lean. When Ben has passed it to him, the balls have been “just” out of Washington’s grasp. JuJu catches those balls, because he’s taller/longer. AB catches those, because he’s AB. Once Ben figures out the best ball-placement for Washington, as BlackAndGold said, the floodgates will open.

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Washington has the physique more like a RB... thick... but, not tall & lean. When Ben has passed it to him, the balls have been “just” out of Washington’s grasp. JuJu catches those balls, because he’s taller/longer. AB catches those, because he’s AB. Once Ben figures out the best ball-placement for Washington, as BlackAndGold said, the floodgates will open.
    Interesting comparing the measurable between the two.....

    Height
    JuJu 6'1"
    JW 5'11"

    Arm
    JuJu 32 7/8"
    JW 32 3/8"

    Vert
    JuJu 32.5"
    JW 34.5"

    40
    JuJu 4.54
    JW 4.54

    I think JW will figure it out. This might be a redshirt year.... or better yet he'll have his confidence by the playoffs and be catching 3-4 balls for 40-50 yards, with a splash play here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Limas Swed.
    Troy Edwards.
    DeMarcus Ayers.
    Sammie Coates.
    Markus Wheaton.

    There are quite a few that didn’t work out that well...
    I'm pretty sure that USC had a few RBs that weren't that great too

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Interesting comparing the measurable between the two.....

    Height
    JuJu 6'1"
    JW 5'11"

    Arm
    JuJu 32 7/8"
    JW 32 3/8"

    Vert
    JuJu 32.5"
    JW 34.5"

    40
    JuJu 4.54
    JW 4.54

    I think JW will figure it out. This might be a redshirt year.... or better yet he'll have his confidence by the playoffs and be catching 3-4 balls for 40-50 yards, with a splash play here and there.

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    I'm pretty sure that USC had a few RBs that weren't that great too
    Its kind of interesting that Washington was measured at the Senior Bowl with arm length of 33-7/8", but the Combine measurements his arms are 1.5" shorter.

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I am hoping and, honestly, suspect that it may be. Some of the other more "productive" guys have been forced into more prominent roles.

    I just think it is really surprising that a guy as highly regarded and who was drafted as early as Washington has essentially no production in 9 games or whatever.

    Not like any of this will matter. Since I started thinking about it, he will have 10 catches for over 250 yards and 3 scores in the next 4 games or something.
    Well, Ben has:

    1. AB
    2. JuJu
    3. Vance, Jesse James (who looks like he lost an ear in a gunfight and it was sewn back on)
    4. Conner
    5. Switzer (surprisingly)
    6. Washington, et al.

    My guess (and hope) is that as things occur down the road (Vance breaks, AB slows down, etc.) that he will simply grow into a bigger role as he continues to develop and through attrition.

    We are blessed to have such an incredible offense top to bottom imo.

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Its kind of interesting that Washington was measured at the Senior Bowl with arm length of 33-7/8", but the Combine measurements his arms are 1.5" shorter.
    I swear that it’s due to his shoulder pads. Really. The dude looks like he’s wearing Nix’s pads.

    Joking aside, Washington “looks” like a RB to me.

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    Because the shit receivers that the Steelers drafted were listed, do we list the good ones? Steelers usually pick towards the bottom of the draft and USUALLY draft well and tend to crush it on receivers. Steelers haven’t stayed this good for so long by making big splashes in free agency. Look at some of the cornerstones on this team and think about when they were rookies. Cam, another wasted buckeye pick, Conner, not a starter wasted pick. Such a now culture we live in, give the kid some time

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Its kind of interesting that Washington was measured at the Senior Bowl with arm length of 33-7/8", but the Combine measurements his arms are 1.5" shorter.
    His arms keep shrinking!! That’s why he can’t catch the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    I swear that it’s due to his shoulder pads. Really. The dude looks like he’s wearing Nix’s pads.

    Joking aside, Washington “looks” like a RB to me.
    I’d like to see him on a few end arounds.

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Washington has the physique more like a RB... thick... but, not tall & lean. When Ben has passed it to him, the balls have been “just” out of Washington’s grasp. JuJu catches those balls, because he’s taller/longer. AB catches those, because he’s AB. Once Ben figures out the best ball-placement for Washington, as BlackAndGold said, the floodgates will open.
    This kind of leads along the lines i was thinking.He has not made the few opportunities he's had count by jumping up,and coming down with the ball.I was in the frame of mind that he could battle for and come down with the ball in traffic. I don't know where i got that idea,but that was certainly my chain of thinking.Any way,i think when he starts to make some of those catches then we will see his opportunities start to increase.He seemed to be alright when Mason was throwing the rock.All in all i believe he will get it together and add yet another weapon to be at the offenses disposal.
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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Every day I log on, I see what should be 6 Lombardi trophies(there is one Lombardi and a pic of Chief).....not 6 Receiving Titles.
    Good ism ,i tend you use that myself from time to time "The old Rush-hardism" i like to call it. Oh that Mike.He sure has an enviable way with words. Wonder what his phrase is for the "MACH-5".
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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by cold-hard-steel View Post
    This kind of leads along the lines i was thinking.He has not made the few opportunities he's had count by jumping up,and coming down with the ball.I was in the frame of mind that he could battle for and come down with the ball in traffic. I don't know where i got that idea,but that was certainly my chain of thinking.Any way,i think when he starts to make some of those catches then we will see his opportunities start to increase.He seemed to be alright when Mason was throwing the rock.All in all i believe he will get it together and add yet another weapon to be at the offenses disposal.
    You are correct about contested balls. One of the knocks on Rudolph was that he’d simply toss the ball up, and Washington would fight for (and usually get) the ball.

    From what I’ve seen, Washington has been open, but the ball simply doesn’t get to the right place for him to catch it. That is NOT a knock on Ben; but, it’s the truth. It’s as if Ben assumes that Washington will cut/stop at the 30 yard line, and instead, Washington cuts/stops at the 33 yard line.

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    Yeah man,my concerns for this team is not really at the WR pos.
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    James Washingtion is a rookie
    he high points the ball
    he catches it with his hands
    he will learn the offense
    I've heard nothing about him being lazy, a malcontent, sulking, etc.
    AB wasn't AB his rookie year

    Washington will be a good addition to the receiving corps, maybe not this year but next year. The Steelers have other guys that are stepping up, including two tight ends and last minute pickup of a return man and chain mover.

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Odd. Maybe not be able to attack vertically is a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Odd. Maybe not be able to attack vertically is a problem.
    Or just forcing the ball to AB

    Brown got in Ben’s ear after AB beat Ramsey deep and has been forcing it to AB (and ignoring JuJu) ever since

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaDan View Post
    Or just forcing the ball to AB

    Brown got in Ben’s ear after AB beat Ramsey deep and has been forcing it to AB (and ignoring JuJu) ever since
    Sure. That is terrible too. But the Steelers have been killing teams working across the middle. The Jags are totally compressing and taking that space away because the feel ZERO need to roll their safeties deep and outside the hashmarks because there is no threat of a vertical route beating them.

    If you can not threaten a defense as good as the Jags in all directions, they will make the field really crowded real quick and force sacks and turnovers -- which is exactly what his happening and why I am no going to do chores prior to family arriving for the holiday week than watch the rest of this crap-fest.

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    This damn team. Sucked me back.in!

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    I re-submit for your consideration that James Washington is not currently a NFL caliber WR.

    https://steelersdepot.com/2018/11/fi...ed-route-tree/

    Those are some bad rounded off routes. He seems to have no ability to impact on a football field in the NFL.

    I guess he gets a "redshirt" year and hope for the best next year? So...the Limas Sweed plan?

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    Well, I've been hearing about the great WR's on this team for the last 5 years or so that should have put up 30+ points a game and it never happened. I think Washington will be fine. Tomlin said yesterday he had a great deal of confidence in him.

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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Well, I've been hearing about the great WR's on this team for the last 5 years or so that should have put up 30+ points a game and it never happened. I think Washington will be fine. Tomlin said yesterday he had a great deal of confidence in him.
    Hopefully. So far I see no redeeming value in Washington. He runs crappy routes. He only appears to know small portions of the playbook. He has lost all situational awareness on a football field. The list goes on. This is the same team and system that made useful players out of "one trick ponies" before at the WR position. A system that allowed Cobi Hamilton and Demarcus Ayers to look like functional NFL caliber WRs. Not to mention Sammie Coates. For me the inability of Washington to do anything useful in essentially the same circumstances is not a good indicator.

    All that being said, he wouldn't be the first or last WR prospect to take a year or so to make his mark in the NFL. I'm not saying to give up on the kid, but I think there are more than enough data points to start getting seriously concerned that Washington may not have "it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Hopefully. So far I see no redeeming value in Washington. He runs crappy routes. He only appears to know small portions of the playbook. He has lost all situational awareness on a football field. The list goes on. This is the same team and system that made useful players out of "one trick ponies" before at the WR position. A system that allowed Cobi Hamilton and Demarcus Ayers to look like functional NFL caliber WRs. Not to mention Sammie Coates. For me the inability of Washington to do anything useful in essentially the same circumstances is not a good indicator.

    All that being said, he wouldn't be the first or last WR prospect to take a year or so to make his mark in the NFL. I'm not saying to give up on the kid, but I think there are more than enough data points to start getting seriously concerned that Washington may not have "it".
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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    *cough* LIMAS *cough* SWEED
    That's what my gut tells me. But it also tells me to eat tons of terrible food and unhealthy snacks all day every day. So who knows!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    That's what my gut tells me. But it also tells me to eat tons of terrible food and unhealthy snacks all day every day. So who knows!
    My gut tells me the same...it’s always talking junk food...lol

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    [QUOTE=Mojouw;667164]That's what my gut tells me. But it also tells me to eat tons of terrible food and unhealthy snacks all day every day. So who knows![/QUOTE]


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    Re: Maybe this WR thing didn't Quite Work Out

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    *cough* LIMAS *cough* SWEED
    I just said the same thing in a different thread. I sure hope he doesn't turn out like Sweed did

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