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    2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    OLB... need
    ILB... huge need
    CB... top need

    No chance:
    Greedy Williams, LSU... top 10
    DeAndre Baker, Georgia... top 10, my favorite

    Realistic:
    Julian Love, Norte Dame
    Iman Marshall, USC
    Amani Oruwariye, Penn St.

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    My favorite at this time is Kendall Sheffield, OSU. If he declares he's #1 on my wish list.

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    My favorite at this time is Kendall Sheffield, OSU. If he declares he's #1 on my wish list.
    Noted

    Who else? I’m thinking we go CB in R1 and R4.

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Noted

    Who else? I’m thinking we go CB in R1 and R4.
    Still too much time to predict who will go when. So many things still in motion at this point. There are some 'smaller school' guys that could fall to round 3-4 or could rise up the boards.

    Nik Needham from UTEP is a guy to watch. Kareem Orr transferred to Chattanooga from AZ State is an off the radar player. Jordan Wyatt from SMU is another guy that could be found as a mid round value.


    Mook Reynolds of VT is expected to play box safety in the NFL. Interesting guy to watch there. If Davis is staying at FS need a prospect to groom at SS maybe. Is Edmunds going to play SS or ILB? Interchangeable pieces? Some intrigue here for me.

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Devin White ILB ...... would be my first round selection I think

    but this is CB thread so ....

    Julian Love ND. is probably the highest ranked Corner we have a shot at but I am not sure he is an outside Corner at the next level 5'11" -193 pounds ( which probably means he measures at the combine at 5'10" 185 pounds)

    Marshall has that size you look for .... but I am not sold on him at this point ( have not watch a ton of him yet though )
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    Have to defer the west coast DBs to you guys on that side of the big mountain. Let the east coast guys update on the ACC, IVY, and MAC. I get to see some but not enough and not consistently of any one team to 'watch' individual players. I get to see the SEC guys, AAC, Big10, Conf USA, Sunbelt, and Big12 mostly. With every team having 5-6 starter/rotational CBs that's a whole lot of players to rank.

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Have to defer the west coast DBs to you guys on that side of the big mountain. Let the east coast guys update on the ACC, IVY, and MAC. I get to see some but not enough and not consistently of any one team to 'watch' individual players. I get to see the SEC guys, AAC, Big10, Conf USA, Sunbelt, and Big12 mostly. With every team having 5-6 starter/rotational CBs that's a whole lot of players to rank.
    This year, with my new position at work coupled with going back to school (post master’s degree), I have not watched much NCAA football...

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    can find game breakdowns on the net of specific players often times ... its usually how I get most of my watching done ... condensed action in isolation of the players section of the field and only plays they are involved in ... saves a ton of time ...

    that said draft breakdown being a thing of the past ( or was said to be I have not checked for any 2018 games yet ) it is going to get a whole lot tougher to find stuff esp small school kids
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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Name to watch for, Bryce Hall from Virginia.

    Last edited by BlackAndGold; 11-13-2018 at 01:28 AM.


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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Also, Kristian Fulton, Greedy's teammate may just be as talented.


    Trayvon Mullen from Clemson should be listed also. 6'2" outside corner with very good speed.


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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    can find game breakdowns on the net of specific players often times ... its usually how I get most of my watching done ... condensed action in isolation of the players section of the field and only plays they are involved in ... saves a ton of time ...

    that said draft breakdown being a thing of the past ( or was said to be I have not checked for any 2018 games yet ) it is going to get a whole lot tougher to find stuff esp small school kids
    Good advice.

    And, with my limited time, I’ll probably only focus on the players listed in this thread.

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Just watched the Georgia - Tenn breakdown of Baker ... didn't get much to come away with there they feared him , didn't throw at him other than a timing route that he read perfectly and broke up ...
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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    Just watched the Georgia - Tenn breakdown of Baker ... didn't get much to come away with there they feared him , didn't throw at him other than a timing route that he read perfectly and broke up ...
    He reminds me of Deion in that teams simply leave Baker alone... they don’t even try.


    (Note: DeAndre Baker is nowhere near as talented as Deion Sanders; please, I hope that people understand what I mean.)

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    OLB... need
    ILB... huge need
    CB... top need

    No chance:
    Greedy Williams, LSU... top 10
    DeAndre Baker, Georgia... top 10, my favorite

    Realistic:
    Julian Love, Norte Dame
    Iman Marshall, USC
    Amani Oruwariye, Penn St.
    I also think Sean Davis needs to be replaced. He misses too many tackles and makes very few plays on the ball.

    We need a defensive draft.

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    OK. So this is kind of an odd thought. But bear with me.

    How much is a CB worth in the NFL right now? Assume the eye-popping completion percentages, yardage totals, and yards per attempt that we are seeing around the league are going to continue - are any CBs stopping anyone?

    Any QB worth anything is completing over 60% -- https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla...e?season_id=16. That tells me that no one is really "shutting down" WR anymore. Look at Jalen Ramsey (who I think is one of the best in the business right now) against the Steelers, multiple critical completions against him late in the game.

    Further, I honestly believe that no defense really shuts offenses down anymore. Look at points, yards, etc. All are up across the league, with several teams posting video game #'s. But what you can do is play "situational" defense and get key stops on third down (sacks) and turn the ball over (INTs). Interestingly enough, a look at the INT stats across the league shows that safeties and LBs are causing more INTS than CBs -- https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla...-interceptions

    Taking all that together, I really wonder if a first round CB has the value it has traditionally had? There have been 13 CBs taken in Round 1 between 2016-2018 (http://pfref.com/tiny/dffs4). I would argue that only 3 of them have had an "instant" impact that made their teams better (Ward, Lattimore, and White). With only one of those players having a chance to contribute to a SB run because the rest of the team was already really good.

    Long story short, is a CB really the high value and impactful position that it has previously been? If defenses are just going to bleed yards and points anyways, are the really important pieces on defense pass-rushers and linebackers and safeties that can turn the ball over? I personally think they are. And I would preferentially draft those players and live with second tier CBs.

    Wanted to get others thoughts and figured this thread might be an appropriate place.

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    mojoUW You make a good point. As I have talked about Damien Woodey saying that while Darrell’s Revis was the best player he’d ever seen, if Woodey was starting a defense, he’d start with James Harrison.

    That said... imagine getting the pressure that we already get, but the top two opposing WRs are suffocated with single coverage. The dump-off routes could be double-covered, transitioning those hurries into incompletions (or sacks).

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    mojoUW You make a good point. As I have talked about Damien Woodey saying that while Darrell’s Revis was the best player he’d ever seen, if Woodey was starting a defense, he’d start with James Harrison.

    That said... imagine getting the pressure that we already get, but the top two opposing WRs are suffocated with single coverage. The dump-off routes could be double-covered, transitioning those hurries into incompletions (or sacks).
    All good points. Does completion percentage allowed by DB exist anywhere?

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    I know I have said this many times before and I apologize for being so redundant. The first round of the draft is a BPA pick, IMO. This is where you find the 'game changer' athlete at any position. Drafting for positional need is not how you build and maintain. As it stands today, and again, IMO, we have "needs" at WR, RB, Backup QB, ILB, OLB, SS, and CB. (List in no particular order)

    As for this discussion, we need a CB that plays man well on the outside. Can tackle in the open field. And has enough football IQ and athleticism to start his first year. I prefer the FA option to drafting another 20 year old athletic freak and expect him to be able to compete with grown men of the NFL straight away. Do we need to draft one? YES! But not necessarily in the first round. There are some talented DBs in this year's class.

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    Re: 2019 Draft: CORNERBACKS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    OK. So this is kind of an odd thought. But bear with me.

    How much is a CB worth in the NFL right now? Assume the eye-popping completion percentages, yardage totals, and yards per attempt that we are seeing around the league are going to continue - are any CBs stopping anyone?

    Any QB worth anything is completing over 60% -- https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla...e?season_id=16. That tells me that no one is really "shutting down" WR anymore. Look at Jalen Ramsey (who I think is one of the best in the business right now) against the Steelers, multiple critical completions against him late in the game.

    Further, I honestly believe that no defense really shuts offenses down anymore. Look at points, yards, etc. All are up across the league, with several teams posting video game #'s. But what you can do is play "situational" defense and get key stops on third down (sacks) and turn the ball over (INTs). Interestingly enough, a look at the INT stats across the league shows that safeties and LBs are causing more INTS than CBs -- https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla...-interceptions

    Taking all that together, I really wonder if a first round CB has the value it has traditionally had? There have been 13 CBs taken in Round 1 between 2016-2018 (http://pfref.com/tiny/dffs4). I would argue that only 3 of them have had an "instant" impact that made their teams better (Ward, Lattimore, and White). With only one of those players having a chance to contribute to a SB run because the rest of the team was already really good.

    Long story short, is a CB really the high value and impactful position that it has previously been? If defenses are just going to bleed yards and points anyways, are the really important pieces on defense pass-rushers and linebackers and safeties that can turn the ball over? I personally think they are. And I would preferentially draft those players and live with second tier CBs.

    Wanted to get others thoughts and figured this thread might be an appropriate place.

    I liked everything about this thought. Offenses move freely between the 20s anymore. The real measure of a defense (all positions) is in the short yardage/goal line defense. The real value of the CB position, IMO, is intelligence. If a DB can keep the play in front of him and be a sure tackler (you know, fundamental football) he will be more valuable than the DB that makes 2-3 splash plays per game but breaks down fundamentally the rest of the game.

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