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    Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Bruce Irvin is being released by Dah Raidahs. () He would be expensive, but if you figure that we’ve saved his salary via Bell not reporting, it’s a wash.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...de-bruce-irvin

    If Irvin has to pass through waivers, we would have a shot at him before the Taperiots. Otherwise, I’d bet a month’s mortgage that he ends up in New England.

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    I had the same post in mind. THen, here it was! Irvin’s #’s are not good past 2 years with the Raiders, but he is certainly a more legit edge pass rusher than anyone on the Steelers roster that isn’t named TJ Watt.

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    At the right price, why not

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    With all the money saved from a certain holdout, I would think there is enough $$ to sign Irvin for the rest of the season. We will see.

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Didn't he hurt his shoulder against the Colts?
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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    If they think he fits the scheme and they can afford him...why not?

    I have to say it. Bud Dupree is definitely playing better. He is playing with more power and confidence, and he is playing with more bend and lean at the edge and getting more consistent pressure. He had another half sack, was blatantly horsecollared to prevent another sure sack that drew a penalty, and was held some other times but not called.

    Bud has turned it up a little bit and it's showing in how the defense is playing. Watt still gets the double teams, so it is very important that he create pressure....and he has recently. If he keeps this up and they do find a way to sign Irvin, the depth of the pass rush will be very good. It feels like they've been playing Chickillo more as well the last few games and he has been holding his own. Not great on the pass rush, but setting the edge and not being a liability on the field.

    This would be an interesting move.

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Irvin way overrated.

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    I wouldn't be against it, but to be honest, Dupree has been playing pretty well this year. At the very least I'd say he's much improved than he's looked in the previous seasons.

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    He went unclaimed in waivers. He’s a free agent and can sign with any team

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    For the right price he would be an a great rotation guy. Better then Chickallo

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    We should have plenty of cap space with Bell not showing up

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    I say make a move for him.

    Use him on specialist on 3rd downs and at the end of games. Watt, Dupree, and Irvin on a 3rd and 10 or longer .

    Or just have him in rotation so we have fresh legs rushhing the QB. I would love to have him

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Ola Adeniyi coming back like

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    I wouldn't be against it, but to be honest, Dupree has been playing pretty well this year. At the very least I'd say he's much improved than he's looked in the previous seasons.
    Dupree used to overrun plays. Now, he’s stopping midway through his upfield rush... and moving towards the QB. He’s getting very close to sacks on many plays. And, in this past game, he would have had two sacks if he hadn’t been completely held.

    Dupree’s development has been excruciatingly slow, but maybe we are about to see the player that we “wanted” when we drafted him in R1.

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Dupree used to overrun plays. Now, he’s stopping midway through his upfield rush... and moving towards the QB. He’s getting very close to sacks on many plays. And, in this past game, he would have had two sacks if he hadn’t been completely held.

    Dupree’s development has been excruciatingly slow, but maybe we are about to see the player that we “wanted” when we drafted him in R1.
    Just in time to re-sign him and have him regress into nothing?




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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Just in time to re-sign him and have him regress into nothing?
    you're as negative as me? Did you grow up in NJ as well?

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Irvin signs with Atlanta. Said that the Steelers and Patriots offered him more money, but he wanted to play in his hometown. I guess the hometown discount does exist.

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Irvin signs with Atlanta. Said that the Steelers and Patriots offered him more money
    I was hopeful that the Steelers would acquire Irvin, but was thinking that the Taperiots would sign him. Looks like I was “almost” right on both accounts.

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    I was hopeful that the Steelers would acquire Irvin, but was thinking that the Taperiots would sign him. Looks like I was “almost” right on both accounts.
    Sucks that he chose Atlanta but nice to see the Steelers were at least in the mix...lol.




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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra Tank View Post
    you're as negative as me? Did you grow up in NJ as well?
    LOL. I lived in North Caldwell for 5 years growing up.
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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra Tank View Post
    you're as negative as me? Did you grow up in NJ as well?
    Kind just realistic based on past team history...lol.




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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    For me the glass isn't just half full. It's cracked, broken, too small and dirty as well!

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Just in time to re-sign him and have him regress into nothing?
    Or... like James Farrior, it took 5 years for him to “get it.”

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Or... like James Farrior, it took 5 years for him to “get it.”
    I wish he was James Farrior...lol




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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Or... like James Farrior, it took 5 years for him to “get it.”
    Just how many players take that long to get it? CBs often come in and flash, then fade away until they really learn the game, about four or five years. Ike Taylor flashed his third year, got benched his fourth, and then started to come on strong. Harrison and Farrior both took a long time to learn the game. Keisel did very little until his fourth year, and then started his fifth year. Lawrence Timmons took three years to get familiar with the game, and then came on strong. In fact, I'd argue he was probably the best all-around back we had in the 00s. And that includes Harrison and Porter (note, I said all-around, so pass coverage, run stopping, and rushing). On the offensive side of the ball, we have several players who did hit their stride until a bit later in their careers, including Max Starks who flashed early and regressed.

    Players coming in and playing like veterans and being used to the game before their fourth year or so is much more rare than we really want to admit. They need to mature into the game and relearn how to play at that level, because it's going to be pretty different. Yes, the ball is still snapped. Yes, you still block. But the speed, the intellectual work that goes into preparation, the decision making process and layers that go with it, the work to counter moves of players that know your weaknesses because they play against you two or three times every year and have tons of tape on you, it all adds up to a lot of hard work.

    It's why players that have the physical skills are given more time. Because eventually, they may just make it. But players who don't have the physical skills are cut quickly, because regardless of whether they get it or not, they can't do it.

    I'm just happy our FO and coach understands this concept and aren't swayed by fans who want everyone cut if the aren't producing at top levels within a couple of years.
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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    Just how many players take that long to get it? CBs often come in and flash, then fade away until they really learn the game, about four or five years. Ike Taylor flashed his third year, got benched his fourth, and then started to come on strong. Harrison and Farrior both took a long time to learn the game. Keisel did very little until his fourth year, and then started his fifth year. Lawrence Timmons took three years to get familiar with the game, and then came on strong. In fact, I'd argue he was probably the best all-around back we had in the 00s. And that includes Harrison and Porter (note, I said all-around, so pass coverage, run stopping, and rushing). On the offensive side of the ball, we have several players who did hit their stride until a bit later in their careers, including Max Starks who flashed early and regressed.

    Players coming in and playing like veterans and being used to the game before their fourth year or so is much more rare than we really want to admit. They need to mature into the game and relearn how to play at that level, because it's going to be pretty different. Yes, the ball is still snapped. Yes, you still block. But the speed, the intellectual work that goes into preparation, the decision making process and layers that go with it, the work to counter moves of players that know your weaknesses because they play against you two or three times every year and have tons of tape on you, it all adds up to a lot of hard work.

    It's why players that have the physical skills are given more time. Because eventually, they may just make it. But players who don't have the physical skills are cut quickly, because regardless of whether they get it or not, they can't do it.

    I'm just happy our FO and coach understands this concept and aren't swayed by fans who want everyone cut if the aren't producing at top levels within a couple of years.
    I think this is also why Colbert has demonstrated a strong preference for drafting younger players in the draft. That was when/if the light bulb comes on these guys are still 24-25 years old rather than 26-27.

    I think that the college game has diverged so far from the NFL that players simply do not have the basic skills to succeed right away, unless they have worked to acquire them independently or are just a ludicrous athlete. For instance, in the second Cleveland game, Denzel Ward a guy who has had almost instant success, got totally fooled and tricked by route combinations and gave up a long touchdown as a result. Ward just wasn't ready to read, react, and coordinate his coverage with the safety at an NFL level and the Steelers made him pay. In the Cincy game, Jesse Bates took about 112 bad angles to the ball because he was consistently underestimating how quickly guys were changing directions. He just hasn't calibrated his game to the NFL level. Almost all rookie linemen take 1-2 years to improve their footwork and get up to the NFL strength bar. There are numerous other examples.

    Does that mean that Dupree and Burns are sure to eventually turn the corner? No idea, but if I was running a team I would hold those lottery tickets for as long as possible while planning for their replacements.

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Irvin signs with Atlanta. Said that the Steelers and Patriots offered him more money, but he wanted to play in his hometown. I guess the hometown discount does exist.
    Can't hate on that, probably a childhood dream to play for his favorite team. Heck if I were an NFL player, I'd take the vet minimum to play for the Steelers than play for Cleveland for 5 mil lol.

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    Re: Pass rush solution: snag Bruce Irvin

    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    Can't hate on that, probably a childhood dream to play for his favorite team. Heck if I were an NFL player, I'd take the vet minimum to play for the Steelers than play for Cleveland for 5 mil lol.
    That’s what Irvin said...




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