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I think this explains a few things.Originally Posted by Renegade
http://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/Pi...d-Dick-LeBeau/“I probably worked more and spent more time with him in football than anybody in my professional life,” head coach Mike Tomlin says.
Upon finally arriving at that coaching crossroads, Tomlin put his faith in his professional admiration for Butler, 59, that predated Tomlin establishing himself as a professional.
Give a lib a fish--he eats for a day
Teach a lib to fish--he is back the next day asking for more free fish.
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At this stage, this season is just basically players not talented enough and coaches not wise enough and neither can cover up for the other.
So 0-6-1 up hill battle...
Alex Smith vs Patrick Mahomes. There's your difference. Yes he's a rookie but he was making throws that veterans make yesterday and not making mistakes. Mahomes arm strength vs Alex Smith isn't even close, and don't forget he missed his 7th TD pass when he over Tyrek Hill wide open and his 8th TD pass when he overthrew Watkins (with TJ Watt covering him).
KC's biggest issue is defense though. They still gave up 37 points yesterday. If they play a team with a good defense like Jacksonville who can match them they're toast. BTW Jacksonville's offense looked very good yesterday. Bortles especially <- I can't believe I just typed that, but it's true.
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Losing Shazier absolutely devastated this defense. It was up to Butler to adjust the scheme and personnel to mask this issue as best as he could and he's failed.
He's just not good enough. It's as simple as that.
for all the " its only week 2 people " lets go back to 2017 ....
wk 5 Jacksonville hangs a 30 burger on them
wk 12 the Packers with a rookie backup puts up 28
wk 14 the anemic Ratbirds hang 38 on them
Jacksonville hangs 45 more on them and bounces them from the playoffs
The Offensive Coordinator that helps your team score 42 points is fired ( 42 should be more than enough to win any game ) but they keep the Defensive Coordinator who's unit gave up 45 points ( that will NEVER make sense to me )
fast forward to 2018
21 point tie with the prior 1-31-0 Browns over the prior 2 seasons with Hue " I'm really that stupid" Jackson
42 points to the Chiefs yesterday where only 5 balls hit the ground for the chiefs passing game all day 6 TD passes zero Ints and a top of the mark QB rating for a kid who is literally starting his 3rd NFL game .... you couldn't confuse him ? you couldn't rattle him ? you couldn't do anything to slow him let alone stop him .....
think about that 6td passes .... 5 incomplete passes ......
6td passes .... 5 incomplete passes .....
6td passes .... 5 incomplete passes .....
6td passes .... 5 incomplete passes .....
6td passes .... 5 incomplete passes .....
6td passes .... 5 incomplete passes .....
6td passes .... 5 incomplete passes .....
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
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3 Reel Treasure Slots Champion!Could have easily been 8 TD passes.
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The buddy system in play is why.
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The chiefs had more offensive TD that 3rd down attempted yesterday!!!!!
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I recall it goes back to Butler being deemed D-coordinator in waiting after he turned down coordinator offers while waiting for LeBeau to retire
Of course LeBeau ultimately was fired, at which point loyalty to Butler having waited for the coordinator job should have been outweighed by him being a disciple of a defensive scheme that the rest of the league had figured out
But last year it was all good until Haden broke his leg, after which the pass defense started to fade, followed by the Shazier catastrophe
Hard to overcome mediocre personnel
Thanks for the memories
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I posted this above. But seems He is Tomlins mentor of sorts. Just another angle to look at why he got the job in the first place and was/is able to keep it so far.
Why Steelers Chose Keith Butler to Succeed Dick LeBeau
http://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/Pi...d-Dick-LeBeau/
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who do we blame that talent level of the defense on ?
Seems to me the last couple drafts Butler should have been the biggest voice in the room when selecting a defensive player on draft day ...
how has that worked out so far , well ...
its early obviously but ...
2016 draft ...
first 3 selections went to defense
Burns - light will never come completely on , this kid will never be a true #1 corner in this league
Davis - looks lost and invisible and most times is no where around the play or is a late to the scene guy who misses plenty of tackles , I hoped the move to FS would do it for him but so far he looks worse in the backend than he did closer to the LOS
Hargrave - had big hopes for him but quite honestly he is more hype than substance
Travis Feeney - off team
Dirty Red a special team player who's penalty yesterday kept us from getting the ball back at the end of the game
2017 draft
TJ Watt seems like a homerun
Cam Sutton often injured got a chance yesterday to step up and was made a fool of early and often and was replaced before the 1st quarter was over
Brian Allen ................
Keion Adams ...............
2018 draft
Edmonds ..to soon to say
Allen ... to soon to say
Frazier ..off team
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Not arguing, real question. How much credit do you give the Chiefs in this game? 5 incomplete passes you say? That is a pretty solid outing for a practice, let alone a game. The execution was there for the Chiefs apparently. The only REAL issues I have with this defense at this point is the blown coverages. There were 2 TDs thrown by Mahomes that were instant no contest from the snap. On both we ended up with 1 DB(Burns was 1 maybe both, idk) trying to cover 2 receivers. Mahomes had his pick of whichever one got open first. There was also the TD by Kelce with Bostic in coverage. There should always be safety help there. Where was Davis on these 3 TDs? You can coach, scheme, and gameplan, but without the execution it is all pointless.
team blames communication ( again )
I said before the team made this claim yesterday this ....
Butler is slow to speak even in a non pressure situation , most people speak freely and when pressure hits it takes a little longer ....
If Butler is slow during no pressure situations how much of that is exasperated when pressure comes into play ( having only a few seconds to get out a call ) making it impossible for the green dot to get the call out on the field , so you have guys winging it out there and that would explain so many blown coverage's ... so many instances where it looks like our defense is doing 2 or 3 completely different things all on the same play ....
I thought his slow to speak demeanor would be an issue before his hire I am now convinced of it .. I can not prove it however but that said is there any other explanation as to how or why we seemingly are always confused on defense ?
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
A bit old news but I still can't get over the fact after Artie Burns' stupid penalty last week, he wasn't benched for the rest of the game. If that happened under Cowher' / Lebeau, Burns would have still been on the bench for the KC game, they wouldn't have stood for that crap for even a second. I was really disappointed after that penalty that no coach put him in his place. You know cowher would have got in his face telling him if he did that again he'd kill him and his dog lol
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Other explanations? Davis, Burnett, Sutton, Bostic, Edmunds, are all in new positions or in a new defense at the 2nd week point. NO QUALITY DEPTH, same as most on here have been screaming for years. IMO, Davis needs to be replaced this offseason. Keep him as a situational/backup. We need to go all in on getting our next Shazier/TP43 impact defender. It's time. I honestly think this is a personnel issue above a scheme issue.
a valid point to a degree I suppose ..
That said we had the same issues last year ..
Davis knows the scheme ... albeit a slightly different role as we do not have the customary distinction of Free and Strong most teams do
Burnett played in a very close version of this defense his entire career in green Bay as Lebeaus scheme and Capers where nearly mirror images of one another
Sutton is in his second year should know his way around the scheme ....
Leaving Bostic and Edmunds as the only true scapegoats in the theory that can not be explained away and neither where that involved in the passing game to the point of blame for most of the game so IDK
what I do know is this team is a complete mess right now and I am not so sure they can right the ship anytime soon with a red hot Fitz on the docket next week
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
Steelers haven't been able to defend 4 verts for at least 3 years now. KC bludgeoned them with this concept yesterday. At least 3 times for a TD. It makes it look like a defender has been assigned to cover 2 receivers because he basically has by flooding a zone with offensive players.
The thing is that the offseason was intended to be focused on dealing with this, but here we are.
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Agree Davis SHOULD know the scheme. I don't believe he does or is just very slow once the play starts to get to his spot. Sutton got caught looking in the backfield twice. Sensabaugh played well as replacement but he's really a backup level guy. Burns was just outclassed by WR/QB combo. Meaning even when he was in position the throw was perfect or the WR made a nice play. KC gets credit for their play.
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Exactly what I was seeing yesterday as well.
quite the mess we have no doubt....
speaking of specific route difficulties ....
we have not been able to successfully defend a TE seem route in forever and this predates the Tomlin era ...
one would think after that many years SOMETHING would have been done to address the issue and we would see some semblance of improvement but I digress
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A quick tour through the stats says that last year they defended all TEs not named GRONK pretty darn well.
Klece , Gronk, Grahamn etc just provide such a physical mismatch that few teams can really do much against them consistently.
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3 Reel Treasure Slots Champion!Yeah, those guys are extremely gifted and are probably outliers of the typical TE position.
Let's say Butler is gone do you really think a new DC would turn things around? I know whenever the Steelers play the Pats ink in Gronk to have a monster game and, KC Kelce had a big game yesterday wide open down the middle pretty much anytime Mahomes wanted it. It still comes down to players you have.
Keith Butler and Mike Tomlin need to play a few rounds of Madden first in order to get the feel for a game.
If it was a good DC, then yes it'd turn things around. The problem is we're seeing the same miscommunications and mental lapses in the defense, and no improvement whatsoever. He gets a pass for his first season, but to see the same crap in the 2nd season is just plain bad.
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We did it for the OL.
The problem is who is the "Munchak" of DC's or DB coaches??
No one stops Gronkowski when he is healthy -- https://www.pro-football-reference.c...nRo00/gamelog/
Kelce a bit less but rarely "stopped" -- https://www.pro-football-reference.c...cTr00/gamelog/
By the extension of the same logic that is being applied here, AB is largely a product of team's failing to coach well enough to stop him. I mean look at this --https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowAn04/gamelog/
For some players you can know what is coming and how they other team is going to get the ball to the guy and it simply doesn't matter.
what doesnt show in stat lines is where pass attempts are made , just because we can not defend a specific route does not always indicate a team attacked there ...they should ... but they may or may not
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Great so no one can stop AB, Gronk or Kelce...yet bothe Cleveland and KC stopped AB. Why didn’t the Steelers stop anyone else on KCs offense? Some of Kelce’s worst games have come against the Steelers. Steelers stoped Kelce in their 4 previous games. What makes yesterday different?
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