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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    Except he brought them all the way back by halftime and the defense continued to shit the bed.

    I know you hate the guy's guts, but he's NOT the reason the Steelers lost today.
    No one said he was. He was a PART of the reason.

    I know, Ben stopped the Chiefs three consecutive drives to get the ball back.

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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by Edman View Post
    No one said he was. He was a PART of the reason.

    I know, Ben stopped the Chiefs three consecutive drives to get the ball back.
    He accounted for zero turnovers today, so how was he part of the loss? Yeah, I know - he didn't go 60-60 for 800 yards and 10 TDs so he sucked.

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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    I'm not claiming that.
    Yeah, you are. That's exactly what you typed. Now please pipe down until you can think of something intelligent to say, preferably with some objective fact to support it.
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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    Yeah, you are. That's exactly what you typed. Now please pipe down until you can think of something intelligent to say, preferably with some objective fact to support it.
    You're a moron. I told you what my claim is and you want to twist my words. I'm done with you.

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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by RunNGun View Post
    You're a moron. I told you what my claim is and you want to twist my words. I'm done with you.
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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Ben made some great plays but anything he threw deep was so far off target it was laughable.




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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by RunNGun View Post
    You're a moron. I told you what my claim is and you want to twist my words. I'm done with you.
    Probably a good thing, cause he is spanking you right now.






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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Ben made some great plays but anything he threw deep was so far off target it was laughable.
    To be fair, there was a lot of defensive holding going on that wasn't getting flagged. Not excusing the slow start, but I think the "off target" throws were the result of the defense disrupting the receivers, not inaccuracy on Ben's part.
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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    To be fair, there was a lot of defensive holding going on that wasn't getting flagged. Not excusing the slow start, but I think the "off target" throws were the result of the defense disrupting the receivers, not inaccuracy on Ben's part.
    That’s all fine but when the ball continuously sales far over the receivers head out of the back of the end zone or into the first row, that excuse really doesn’t fly. Ben’s “misses” were uncatchable no matter how open the receiver was. They had nothing to do with the disruption in most cases.




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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    That’s all fine but when the ball continuously sales far over the receivers head out of the back of the end zone or into the first row, that excuse really doesn’t fly. Ben’s “misses” were uncatchable no matter how open the receiver was. They had nothing to do with the disruption in most cases.
    Agreed. Of course he's not going to make all of those throws, but he needs to make a few of them. Spotty QB play is exactly what he's giving us. A lot of it is timing. Like the fly route with Washington on the 1st play and then when he missed Switzer on a key 3rd down conversion. Missing practice doesn't help in building chemistry with new WRs.

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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    That’s all fine but when the ball continuously sales far over the receivers head out of the back of the end zone or into the first row, that excuse really doesn’t fly. Ben’s “misses” were uncatchable no matter how open the receiver was. They had nothing to do with the disruption in most cases.
    86,
    I was under the impression that those were throwaways. Could easily be wrong, tho'
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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by RunNGun View Post
    Agreed. Of course he's not going to make all of those throws, but he needs to make a few of them. Spotty QB play is exactly what he's giving us. A lot of it is timing. Like the fly route with Washington on the 1st play and then when he missed Switzer on a key 3rd down conversion. Missing practice doesn't help in building chemistry with new WRs.
    Do you actually know anything about football? This is a serious question because it was obvious to even Fouts that Switzer sat down on the route when he was supposed to head to the sideline.






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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

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    Do you actually know anything about football? This is a serious question because it was obvious to even Fouts that Switzer sat down on the route when he was supposed to head to the sideline.
    I'm done with Batman and Robin. Sorry I didn't include you the first time. Yes, I know football very well. I know that Switzer was open and Ben missed him because they weren't on the same page. I know that practice is where you perfect things like that and I also know that Dan Fouts played QB so of course he's going to side with the QB. We see communication issues between Ben and his WRs every game it seems, and it's never Ben's fault.

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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by RunNGun View Post
    I'm done with Batman and Robin. Sorry I didn't include you the first time. Yes, I know football very well. I know that Switzer was open and Ben missed him because they weren't on the same page. I know that practice is where you perfect things like that and I also know that Dan Fouts played QB so of course he's going to side with the QB. We see communication issues between Ben and his WRs every game it seems, and it's never Ben's fault.






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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    86,
    I was under the impression that those were throwaways. Could easily be wrong, tho'
    You may be right but it looked like to me there were some opportunities that he missed.




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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    You may be right but it looked like to me there were some opportunities that he missed.
    I think it was about 50/50, to be honest, some of those were certainly missing, but I felt he was taking care of the ball on the others. Especially after last week forcing when he shouldn't have.
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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    You may be right but it looked like to me there were some opportunities that he missed.
    I agree with you there... I just don't think he missed them due to poor accuracy. I think we saw lots of examples of errant throws in the Cleveland game, but he looked pretty good as far as I could tell in the KC game. He seemed to be putting the ball where he wanted it to be... but it's hard to know for sure without replays showing the other end.
    FWIW, Ben said he thought he was pulling some throws right.
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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Exactly. Any deep pass down the sidelines ended up 10 yards out of bounds.

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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    Barry Reeger | Special to PennLive)


    Though he played well down the stretch, the Steelers had to chase the game – in part – because Roethlisberger was significantly less accurate than Patrick Mahomes. On at least six occasions, Roethlisberger overthrew open receivers. That's once per 10 throws and one more overthrow of an open receiver than Mahomes had incompletions all game.



    Still, the quarterback is due plenty of credit for keeping Pittsburgh in the game, especially with Antonio Brown often contained. Roethlisberger finished with 452 yards from 39-of-60 passing with 1 sack and 3 touchdowns while getting out dueled by Mahomes.

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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    The first half yesterday was the same or almost to the first half against the chiefs...2 first drive, the offense does nothing in its drives after it was 3 TD and an attempted FG...Against KC, it was 21-21 after the first half against TB .... the Steelers were leading 30-10.

    It makes a difference when your defense can be just average, when you have no margin of error it's not easy!

    Roethlisberger had a good game against KC even if it was not perfect and at least we will not hear that Ben is in decline for a week ...

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    Re: Big Ben: The double edged sword

    I am about the weapons Ben has now:

    AB
    Juju (3 straight 100 yd games)
    The Rookie Farmer Washington - he is looking more comfortable and looks to get better
    Glass McStiff Arm - When he's healthy he's dangerous and a good blocker. Bad thing is he is unreliable in terms of staying healthy
    The Outlaw - Dependable/never injured. Solid backup.
    James Conner - Loved that final drive to end the game.

    All this is overshadowed by a fake defense.



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