Heroes/Goats @ Cleveland

[Craic]

Didn't make plays when they needed to. Plus 21 points against a mediocre QB and below average offense starting an undrafted rookie at LT. Cleveland ran at will when they tried to as well.

I'm not sure what game you were watching, but that absolutely isn't true. I think you're taking the first series of the second half and projecting it over the rest of the game. I also think you're confusing QB scrambles with true rushes. Outside of that one series and QB scrambles, the Browns' longest rushes were 13 yards, 9 yards, 7 yards, and 5 yards. Everything after that is four yards or less. Moreover, RBs rushed 30 times, and seven were dropped for a loss of yards. How many teams drop the other team's RB in the backfield 23 percent of the time?

I'm really not worried about our run defense. And, as for 21 points, well, 7 points was Sutton's fault—he got abused on two back-to-back pass plays. And, let's not forget the two turnovers deep in in their own side of the field. No, the story today isn't about a bad defense. It's about an offense that turned the ball over six times and played an entire half as though it were still preseason football.

[Butch]

Hero is T.J., and Ju Ju
Goat is Ben

[FrancoLambert]

Defense played much better than I expected. Bostic seemed to be around the ball a lot.
This loss was on Ben.

[Hawkman]

Conner and Watt played great
Ben was rusty
Tomlin was outcoached (as usual)
The defense minus Watt was a dumpster fire

Outcoached is laughable.

Somehow five turnovers Is the coaches fault. Any other team, five turnovers we would have been killed.

[st33lersguy]

I'm not sure what game you were watching, but that absolutely isn't true. I think you're taking the first series of the second half and projecting it over the rest of the game. I also think you're confusing QB scrambles with true rushes. Outside of that one series and QB scrambles, the Browns' longest rushes were 13 yards, 9 yards, 7 yards, and 5 yards. Everything after that is four yards or less. Moreover, RBs rushed 30 times, and seven were dropped for a loss of yards. How many teams drop the other team's RB in the backfield 23 percent of the time?

I'm really not worried about our run defense. And, as for 21 points, well, 7 points was Sutton's fault—he got abused on two back-to-back pass plays. And, let's not forget the two turnovers deep in in their own side of the field. No, the story today isn't about a bad defense. It's about an offense that turned the ball over six times and played an entire half as though it were still preseason football.

177 rushing yards, 100 of them from RBs, 77 on 8 scrambles (yes scrambles by RBs do count, have to contain that). This was entirely a team failure today, both sides at fault

[Mojouw]

I'm not sure what game you were watching, but that absolutely isn't true. I think you're taking the first series of the second half and projecting it over the rest of the game. I also think you're confusing QB scrambles with true rushes. Outside of that one series and QB scrambles, the Browns' longest rushes were 13 yards, 9 yards, 7 yards, and 5 yards. Everything after that is four yards or less. Moreover, RBs rushed 30 times, and seven were dropped for a loss of yards. How many teams drop the other team's RB in the backfield 23 percent of the time?

I'm really not worried about our run defense. And, as for 21 points, well, 7 points was Sutton's fault—he got abused on two back-to-back pass plays. And, let's not forget the two turnovers deep in in their own side of the field. No, the story today isn't about a bad defense. It's about an offense that turned the ball over six times and played an entire half as though it were still preseason football.

Not going to make any headway. Folks just want to complain and compete to see who can have the most negative "hot take" after the game. Somewhere someone or other was complaining about the answers Tomlin gave in the post game presser. You know, in contrast to those detailed break-downs and in depth answers the other coaches give!

[Steeldude]

The defense is still confused and undisciplined like Harrison stated. 13 men on the field?

Heroes: Watt, run blocking, Switzer, Conner(but that fumble was bad)

Goats: BR, Burns, pass blocking, pass defense, Tomlin, Fritz, Butler

[Cyphon25]

Heroes


TJ Watt - Awesome performance from Watt and boy do we need him to work out since Dupree continues to look like a first round miss for us. Dupree isn't terrible but he isn't worth the first round money he is signed up for right now. Not only do we get the splash from Watt with sacks but he is a beast against the run as well. He will be in the conversation for our best defensive player at the end of this season.

James Conner - Great work from Conner barring the fumble which was pretty costly. He is young and growing pains will happen but the good far outweight the bad. Good vision, good catching out of the backfield, makes people miss, and is a punishing runner. I absolutely loved watching him go find his linemen after the first TD and I dunno if it was just my imagination but it seemed like after every run they were rallying to him to help him off of the field and stuff. Just shoving every success in the face of Bell.

I won't break down everyone but there were some other noteworthy performances on the defensive side. Heyward and Tuitt did there thing being constantly disruptive (it is going to be a treat watching them all season) and Sean Davis looked comfortable in his FS spot. Bostic and Williams looked good at ILB. Not great but with all of the concern it was a bit of a relief watching them together. Mike Hilton was his usual self as well.

Goats

Ben Roethlisberger - What do you say? Rusty, inaccurate, forcing throws and the turnovers were ugly. Not all on him but he has to be better. That game should have been like 35-7 and instead we got a tie.

I don't think Bud Dupree fully deserves it but he has to be better. He wasn't terrible but TJ Watt already looks like 10 times the player and Bud was facing a rookie LT. Villanueva deserves a bit of a mention as well for what he let Garrett do. The refs/football in general also deserves a mention. Some of these calls really do make me wonder how much longer I will enjoy the game at a high level. TJ Watt should have never been called for roughing the passer and that call on Josh Gordon was ridiculous based on what I saw.

[polamalubeast]

177 rushing yards, 100 of them from RBs, 77 on 8 scrambles (yes scrambles by RBs do count, have to contain that). This was entirely a team failure today, both sides at fault

100 yards rushing yards on 30 run for the RB of the Browns and you said that this is bad?!...What!

[Steeldude]

Artie Burns has a real problem between the ears and with his playing.

It's been that way since he was drafted and before. The guy is subpar.

[polamalubeast]

It could be worse and more worrying for the steelers.

I mean, the saints gave 48 points against Ryan Fitzpatrick at home .... their defense could be one of the worst once again after be good only in first half of the season last year.

The steelers ..... the only reason why it was a TIE game was Ben ...

[Bluecoat96]

So wait, you're contending that Tomlin coached those turnovers?

Thank you!! Nothing Tomlin could do in those cases. Those turnovers don't happen, and we blow them out.

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[st33lersguy]

100 yards rushing yards on 30 run for the RB of the Browns and you said that this is bad?!...What!

177 total rushing yards due to lack of contain and the defense leaving open space (scrambles count too)

[Craic]

100 yards rushing yards on 30 run for the RB of the Browns and you said that this is bad?!...What!

Yeah, and over half of the rest of those yards came in one drive right after halftime when the Browns made halftime adjustments. Funny how we always want to rail on coaching, but never want to credit the coaches for making on-the-fly adjustments after that first drive in the second half to limit them from doing it a second time.

177 total rushing yards due to lack of contain and the defense leaving open space (scrambles count too)

And NO, scramble yards and rush yards are not the same thing. One, you're playing the pass and the other, you're playing the run. They couldn't be more different. It's also why I didn't count sacks as lost yardage in my description as well. If I had, then it would have been even higher since the QB was sacked what, close to half a dozen times? The cry around here is that our rush defense sucked. Our rush defense played great today, again, except for one series, and they fixed that immediately.

[polamalubeast]

177 total rushing yards due to lack of contain and the defense leaving open space (scrambles count too)

The opponent can make good plays sometimes!!!

When you play against a running QB, of course you will give a lot of running yards and this will be the case for every opponent who will play against Taylor and the Browns(like it was the case with the Falcons and Vick in the past)

[Iron Steeler]

Ben goat

Hero TJ Watt
for changing this from a loss to a tie

[cubanstogie]

WTF does "ready to beat bad teams" even mean? What could Tomlin have done differently?

The pass rush was relentless. The run game was good. The secondary played well and even the LBs looked fine. Sound game-plan. The star QB crapped the bed. How is it more complex than that?

Don't over complicate things. The QB was directly responsible for the other team scoring at least 14 points and from missing big throws taking 10 points off the board for his team.

exactly, the team was prepared, 21-7 lead with the ball middle fourth quarter. bens poor play, penalties killed this team not Tomlin

[FrancoLambert]

This loss is on the players. Poor performance and execution did it, not coaching decisions.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Heroes JUJU, Switzer and the D
Goats Watt for not returning his block kick for TD

[polamalubeast]

If you want to see a team not be ready to start the game, look at the packers right now against the bears ...or The saints defense.

[Moose]

Hero's.....the fan's that watched this game and didn't destroy the TV
Goat's.....the Steeler's/coaches that couldn't hold onto a 2 TD lead to Clevel

[teegre]

Backed up to their own one thanks to a fumble, and Cam Sutton was picked on.

Dealing with a junk offense, six turnovers, five by our "franchise QB". The Defense was more than adequate today.

Yep... I thought that Heyward & Tuitt looked fantastic.

[HollywoodSteel]

If I were Colbert I’d offer Bell to come back NOW and all is forgiven, or the day Bell DOES decide to sign his tag, he’ll be traded to the Jets for pretty much nothing.

He’ll be put on a bad team with one of the worst Oline’s in football for at least 6 games, and probably get injured there or at least overworked for no shot at sniffing the playoffs. Then, if he survives those games unhurt, the Jets and Colts can decide who wants him for the remainder of his sad career... that will all be downhill from his glory days as a Steeler. But he probably will not get anywhere near the deal he thinks he’ll get.

That, or Bell can be part a power backfield, and have a chance at a ring this year.

[DesertSteel]

Good game for Watt, Bud, Juju and Conner.
Bad game for Ben and Boz.

[Fire Goodell]

The team played good. Ben lost this game single handedly. He didn't look ready at all to play and his accuracy was as good as a sawed-off shotgun from 200 yards away.

I'm getting concerned that he started off the season last year exactly the same. I mean he's never been one for fast starts, but he's been downright terrible to start this season and last.

Top performers I'd say were Conner, Watt, and Juju.

Switzer looks like he was a good pickup. That kid's got a pair of steel balls and good return skills

[tube517]

Another Goat: Jordan Berry

This guy has gone to Mitch Berger/Paul Ernster camp.
Some shanks out there yesterday.

[Steeldude]

It can be hard to measure players on a bad weather day.

My issue is how is this team still confused on defense? 13 men on the field?

[teegre]

It can be hard to measure players on a bad weather day.

My issue is how is this team still confused on defense? 13 men on the field?

They got caught in the midst of swapping players. Credit to Tyron Taylor for the quick snap.

[polamalubeast]

It can be hard to measure players on a bad weather day.

My issue is how is this team still confused on defense? 13 men on the field?

It was bad, but it was the only time the steelers were confused in defense ....

They did not give a free big play / touchdown because of a lack of communication like that often happen last year ...

[Mojouw]

I'm just glad they passed on Chubb, would've been a nightmare. Denzel Ward looks like a baller though. 2 ints and played AB well.

Yeah. Chubb and Garrett mighta just been too ridiculous for the Browns to handle.

Ward is another of the "anti-AB" corners that the AFC North has been drafting in recent years. He looked more than read to contribute.