I'm undecided. It's a draw between both.
Anyway, I'm going to toss an honorable goat at Ben for five turnovers on his own.
I'm undecided. It's a draw between both.
Anyway, I'm going to toss an honorable goat at Ben for five turnovers on his own.
Heroes? There's no heroues
Goats, everyone. That was a disgrace. The only thing that has changed from the disaster against Jacksonville is that things have gotten worse! Last year they would have managed to pull it out in the end after blowing the 14 point lead.
Ben played poorly but this is what happens when you don't play in the preseason and it's pouring rain.
My biggest goat is Tomlin. He never has his team ready to beat bad teams.
Hero would have been Connor but his fumble killed us and he looked tired as shit in the last quarter. To me the hero is AB (barely).
Heroes - Conner and Watt. Easily. Both played excellent games.
Goat - Tomlin, Ben, Boz and the O-Line. Throw Artie Burns in there as well.
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This! Ugh...some piss poor performances from several players.
WTF does "ready to beat bad teams" even mean? What could Tomlin have done differently?
The pass rush was relentless. The run game was good. The secondary played well and even the LBs looked fine. Sound game-plan. The star QB crapped the bed. How is it more complex than that?
Don't over complicate things. The QB was directly responsible for the other team scoring at least 14 points and from missing big throws taking 10 points off the board for his team.
Agreed, I'm not a big fan of Tomlin, but this loss was all Big Ben
exactly, the team was prepared, 21-7 lead with the ball middle fourth quarter. bens poor play, penalties killed this team not Tomlin
Hero - Conner and Watt and the pass rush
Goat - Ben R.
Connor and Watt played well
Ben sucked ass
Goats
Ben
Tomlin
O-Line(My lord Big Al can't handle Garrett)
Burns
Boswell
Conner(yes big day statically. But he fumbled which lead to a TD)
Hero's
Watt
Conner(Yes he's on both)
JuJu/AB
To be totally fair, no one can handle Garrett.
I was just pointing out that the Browns officially have someone who can cause havoc, and no one should take these Browns lightly. For a decade they had the best pass blocker in Joe Thomas, now they seem to have the best pass rusher.
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Yeah, he was a freaking nightmare today.
Okay! Misread the intent. I think that Garrett is going to have a Mack or Von Miller level impact on the league this year. Just totally unstoppable. I figure he gets 1-3 sacks and causes havoc that directly leads to a turnover on an almost weekly basis.
The Browns defense is really good.
I'm just glad they passed on Chubb, would've been a nightmare. Denzel Ward looks like a baller though. 2 ints and played AB well.
Conner and Watt played great
Ben was rusty
Tomlin was outcoached (as usual)
The defense minus Watt was a dumpster fire
Backed up to their own one thanks to a fumble, and Cam Sutton was picked on.
Dealing with a junk offense, six turnovers, five by our "franchise QB". The Defense was more than adequate today.
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I agree. I don't think this was a dumpster fire defense.
The offense should have put this game away not give it away.
Didn't make plays when they needed to. Plus 21 points against a mediocre QB and below average offense starting an undrafted rookie at LT. Cleveland ran at will when they tried to as well.
7 points were the fault of our offense ... their second TD...Look at the stats of Taylor .... This is not very good ... Below 40% of complete pass
Our run defense was solid except for a drive (22 run for 62 yards for Hyde).
The browns had 15 offensive drives in this game at least, so they gave only 14 points, which is great
I'm not sold by this defense, but it was a great game by this defense
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I'm not sure what game you were watching, but that absolutely isn't true. I think you're taking the first series of the second half and projecting it over the rest of the game. I also think you're confusing QB scrambles with true rushes. Outside of that one series and QB scrambles, the Browns' longest rushes were 13 yards, 9 yards, 7 yards, and 5 yards. Everything after that is four yards or less. Moreover, RBs rushed 30 times, and seven were dropped for a loss of yards. How many teams drop the other team's RB in the backfield 23 percent of the time?
I'm really not worried about our run defense. And, as for 21 points, well, 7 points was Sutton's fault—he got abused on two back-to-back pass plays. And, let's not forget the two turnovers deep in in their own side of the field. No, the story today isn't about a bad defense. It's about an offense that turned the ball over six times and played an entire half as though it were still preseason football.
177 rushing yards, 100 of them from RBs, 77 on 8 scrambles (yes scrambles by RBs do count, have to contain that). This was entirely a team failure today, both sides at fault
Not going to make any headway. Folks just want to complain and compete to see who can have the most negative "hot take" after the game. Somewhere someone or other was complaining about the answers Tomlin gave in the post game presser. You know, in contrast to those detailed break-downs and in depth answers the other coaches give!
Yep... I thought that Heyward & Tuitt looked fantastic.
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So wait, you're contending that Tomlin coached those turnovers?
Major shitshow of a game. Did our best to give them the game and in pure Stains fashion they blew it. Watt and JuJu looked good as well as Conner. Ben was real bad, all I can really say about him without blasting out a profanity laced response.
Thank you!! Nothing Tomlin could do in those cases. Those turnovers don't happen, and we blow them out.So wait, you're contending that Tomlin coached those turnovers?
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Outcoached is laughable.
Somehow five turnovers Is the coaches fault. Any other team, five turnovers we would have been killed.
I'm going to defend Tomlin on that.
The team was ready and I would not be surprised if the browns have 7-8 wins this year.
The only complaint I have with Tomlin was being too conservative, but this game is about Ben
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Tie....
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