Dobbs and Rudolph is a fine plan as far as I'm concerned. Dobbs has obviously progressed from last year, Rudolph was drafted with the idea that he could be the future. If we're able to keep them both we can see who really pans out to take over for Ben. Dobbs is looking comfortable enough at this point that I think he could step into the number 2 spot pretty easily. I'd start seeing what I could get for Jones. As someone else said, he's mediocre. Mediocre describes most of the backups in the league and someone is sure to need that. We might be able to get something useful for him. If both the new guys develop well, then down the line one of them can be our Jimmy Garoppolo and we trade him for something good.
Point #1...We do know what we have with Jones.
Point #2...Dobbs is progressing.
Point #3...Rudolph makes the same mistakes as a rookie would.
Landry Jones will be the backup this season. Just like when Ben was drafted, the Steelers will carry 4 QBs into the reg season.
I would be shocked if that happens. On both of Dobbs TD passes he was short and if not for an excellent effort by Washington they would have both been Intercepted. Rudolph has played like a rookie staring down receivers and just hasn't impressed me that much either. That being said one is only a 2nd year player and the other is a rookie playing like a rookie. I just don't see it happening. As much as Jones is average he's got experience. If anything I would lean that we keep all 4 as stated by Born2Steel.
I think it is a question of what the team decides to value. Looking at recent QB trades, Landry Jones will not bring back anything aside from a conditional 6th or 7th round pick. Maybe a tick more if there is a rash of QB injuries and someone freaks out. Dobbs would bring less of a return and Rudolph isn’t being moved. So, most likely, a trade is off the table unless it is a player for player — say Jones for a depth LBer or something.
Rudolph makes the team unless he kills a member of the Rooney family. Ben does even if he helps Rudolph hide the body, Personally, I would go with Dobbs based on the old Tom Moore quote that were are F$#@ed if the back-up plays anyways.
Landry Jones' regular season record thus far:were are F$#@ed if the back-up plays anyways.
2015 5-2, 77.3 passer rating
2016 5-3, 86.3 passer rating
2017 3-0, 99.3 passer rating
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Total 13-5, 85.0
2018 preseason 1-0, 158.3 passer rating.
I wouldn't call these numbers "F$#@ed".
I don't see them dumping Jones this season. Perhaps next year, once Rudoloph or Dobbs is developed enough to take on the backup role.
Best,
-Slashy
"You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland
They are too close to dump jones. In their mind, Jones gives them the best chance to go 3-3 if Ben is out 6 games. If Ben were out for a full season, thats a different story. Id be shocked if they let Landry go...although Id welcome it. Id rather just see them throw Rudolph into the fire.
From Pro Football Reference for Landry Jones
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV 2013 24 PIT 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 2014 25 PIT 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2015 26 PIT qb 3 7 2 1-1-0 32 55 58.2 513 3 5.5 4 7.3 88 9.3 7.1 16.0 73.3 77.3 43.8 2 17 8.70 6.60 3.5 0 1 1 2016 27 PIT qb 3 8 2 1-1-0 53 86 61.6 558 4 4.7 2 2.3 51 6.5 6.4 10.5 69.8 86.3 43.8 4 34 5.82 5.71 4.4 1 1 2 2017 28 PIT qb 3 3 1 1-0-0 23 28 82.1 239 1 3.6 1 3.6 46 8.5 7.6 10.4 79.7 99.3 67.0 3 15 7.23 6.42 9.7 1 Career 19 5 3-2-0 108 169 63.9 1310 8 4.7 7 4.1 88 7.8 6.8 12.1 68.9 86.2 9 66 6.99 6.12 5.1 1 2 4
So Landry is not good.
He completes a decent # of passes for not very many yards and turns the ball over as often as he generates touchdowns.
Okay, I’m sold. We trade Jones for Watson.
Then Ben signs a three year deal at a bargain-basement price so he doesn’t lose his job.
Then we trade Watson for the best inside linebacker there is (on a team that needs a QB upgrade) AND we’ll have the money to pay him.
Or we keep Watson as the best backup in the NFL... until Ben throws his first incomplete pass and the crowd turns on him, cheering to replace him with Watson.
Then the press start foaming at the mouth about “Steelers drama.”
In any scenario, things get much more interesting.
I like the way you think, DesertSteel!
Jones is a vet that knows the playbook inside and out, his job is safe. I won't be shocked if he's on this team for most of his career, or until the team no longer wants him.
The hope for Dobbs Imo was always to build some type of trade value. Really hoping some team that needs youth at their QB depth chart has interest. Don't care for any late round pick. Saints(Craig Robertson) and Miami(Stephone Anthony) has some LB depth I would be interested in.
1. Graham Barton, C, Duke 2. Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida 3. Maason Smith, DT, LSU 3. Max Melton, CB, Rutgers 4. Blake Fisher, OT, Notre Dame 6. Tommy Eichenberg, ILB, Ohio State 6. MJ Devonshire, CB, Pittsburgh
Landry Jones's only significant completion this year was a long touchdown pass that he underthrew by 10 or 15 yards to a wide open receiver. Are you really going to use that argument against Dobbs?
I'm not saying that keeping Landry Jones is wrong. But let's not pretend that Jones is this grizzled veteran quarterback that makes all the reads and throws while showing great leadership. Jones still makes terrible reads and throws. I believe that Dobbs is further ahead of where Jones was at this stage of his career. He has much more athleticism, and he adds flexibility of scheme with a higher ceiling IMO.
Anyway....I guess we'll find out what they do soon enough. Maybe they do keep 4 and hope to get a good offer in a trade.
I don’t see how the second chart contradicts the first one, making it “Fake News.”
Unless you mean the first chart is ACCURATE but also MISLEADING. Those 19 games or whatever he played in were not all starts. Some games were clean up duty where the other team expected a run and he completed a short pass.
And the last game he DID start was the last regular season game against the winless Browns.
So I agree, statistics can paint an incomplete, and misleading picture.
That said, I’m not sure it’s a case for keeping Dobbs over him. Jones has been okay at what he’s been asked to do.
The question is who makes a better #2 THIS YEAR, where we could still make the playoffs if Ben were out for 4 games and we went 2-2.
Which one of our backups would you want for that 4 game stretch THIS YEAR?
^ Which is entirely my point; This is what a backup QB does and it's Jones' established record as a backup. This is why the Steelers will keep him on the roster; he can step in at a moment's notice cold with no snaps, use the entire playbook, and not cost us a season. Rudolph and/ or Dobbs are not competing for the role of backup, they are competing for the role of next franchise QB.
Best,
-Slashy
"You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland
1st off I am not all that impressed with either one of them and Rudolph is a pure rookie. While the pass by Jones was definitely under thrown and also misplayed by the DB I am not sure it was any worse than the 2 throws that Dobbs had for a TD this week. I will say it is good to know that we have WRs who can make up for what could have been disastrous throws. While I say I am shocked please don't think I will be butt hurt if they don't keep Jones, it's more of how they say he knows the playbook and has the experience than anything I have seen on the field.
All of this just goes to show just how lucky we are to have Ben. Cherish him while you can, because his replacement may be a loooong time coming.
entering a game with 4 mins left up by 27 points is no way indicative of the player you are nor should that be counted as a win on said players behalf ...hell even in baseball it wouldn't be counted as a save .... just no chance for the opponent to win to many points not near enough time
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
there is this Mechanic in my small town , he has been a mechanic for 30+ years so he has a ton of experience .
the thing is , he is not a very good mechanic we will call him mechanic (A) , so if given the choice between taking my car to him or a new guy fresh out of tech school who opens up a shop on the other side of town knowing what I know about Mechanic (A) I personally take my car to the new guy and see what kind of service he offers and judge his abilities based on how well the job gets done moving forward ...
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
I get what you're saying. I really do.
I don't think either of us will be crushed one way or the other if Jones or Dobbs is released. I'm not even sure what the correct thing to do is. I'm just hoping Dobbs gets a shot because that's who I think is the better choice.
You are 100% right about Ben. When his run is over, we will look back and realize how great he was and how hard it is to win without a guy like that behind center.
I remember a couple of QBs who were blessed with athletic ability (Tee Martin and Kordel Stewart). Neither was the QB we wanted them to be, but they sure had a ton of potential. It was truly a shame that Kordel didn't want to convert to a WR.
FWIW I really don't care who we keep of those 2 I am not really sure one will be better than the other. Maybe we keep both, or maybe one gets traded who knows. Experience vs Potential neither is a formula for success over the other IMHO. But at least it is something to watch and see how it all plays out.
Martins size was against him ( if memory serves ) and didnt get much of a chance ... Kordell , great athlete but was never and should have never been asked to become a pocket passer because once you take away his best asset as an athlete you where left with and average Joe under center ... If Cowher would have left him play his style of game he may be remembered more fondly .. roll out passes with the ability to run or pass on any given play because his legs where in fact weapons ...
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
I have said the same thing about Ben. Yes it may have extended his career to keep him in the pocket but it took away some of what made him harder to defend.
As for Kordel he did play for 2 other teams and never saw a ton of success, but i never followed him so I don't know if the issue was him being a pocket passer or just damaged goods or just plain over the hill. He did start for da' bears and was a backup for the ravens.
Not many yards?
His yards per attempt and yards per catch are the same as future Hall of Famer Ben Roethlisberger.
He also has a .600 winning percentage...
Last year he completed 23 of 28 passes and is getting better every year.
So I think it is fair to say he is ALMOST a good backup.
"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
I’m sorry but I refuse to include that Jones’s stats in a no pressure game against a winless team. Take that start away and he is 2-2 as a starter. Okay. His yards per attempt were like 9 and then 6.5. Okay. His ratings were 77 and 86.
He’s okay, almost.
He also had better defenses those years. But he’s still probably the safe bet.