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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    4-0 and not better than 5-3. Sorry just because it looks better doesn't make it better.

    Just watch the video, I use to be in denial also.
    Video makes a convincing series of arguments. I have always believed that a large part of the Pats success is knowing the rule book and how the game is called better than any other organization.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Video makes a convincing series of arguments. I have always believed that a large part of the Pats success is knowing the rule book and how the game is called better than any other organization.
    Always said that Belichick is playing chess while the rest of the NFL is playing checkers. (Well besides not playing Malcolm Butler in the super Bowl)
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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Why burn the tapes? Unfortunately that's a question that will never be answered. They knew every freaking play before we snapped the ball, Hines Ward was quoted as saying they were calling our plays before we finished lining up.


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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Video makes a convincing series of arguments. I have always believed that a large part of the Pats success is knowing the rule book and how the game is called better than any other organization.
    So no Boston Cheat Party?
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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    So no Boston Cheat Party?


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    Really hard to deny the greatness of brady, even If he and the rest of the organization doesn't have an ounce of class. bellichick and his greatness in scheming as well as getting the most out of otherwise average players but there is no question he has been super clutch and has delivered on the biggest stage multiple times. Yeah, they are greatly helped by the fact that the rest of the afc east has been a joke and that the afc has been overall weak (and right now currently a dumpster fire) but Brady still steps up

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    4-0 and not better than 5-3. Sorry just because it looks better doesn't make it better.

    Just watch the video, I use to be in denial also.
    It looks better because it is better. You think 5-3 is better because there’s three runner-ups. Runner up doesn’t mean jack. Just ask the Bills.

    I dont need a youtube to know that the Patriots have been penalized for cheating twice. Doesn’t mean they aren’t great. Just like Barry Bonds was great even without the cheating. But there will always be an asterisk*. All cheaters have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    But there will always be an asterisk*. All cheaters have one.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    It looks better because it is better. You think 5-3 is better because there’s three runner-ups. Runner up doesn’t mean jack. Just ask the Bills.

    I dont need a youtube to know that the Patriots have been penalized for cheating twice. Doesn’t mean they aren’t great. Just like Barry Bonds was great even without the cheating. But there will always be an asterisk*. All cheaters have one.
    So if someone was 3-0 in the Superbowl, it's still better than 5-3?


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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    So if someone was 3-0 in the Superbowl, it's still better than 5-3?


    Please don't say yes
    I would probably tilt that one to 5-3. Two extra wins is much greater than just one. One extra win while having three more losses doesn't work for me.

    But there are variables that would change my mind about the 3-0 vs. 5-3. For instance, I'd take Joe Gibbs 3-0 over Belichick's 5-3 because the latter had Tom Brady and the former had three different QBs who were little more than journeymen.

    It's not all black and white.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    I would probably tilt that one to 5-3. Two extra wins is much greater than just one. One extra win while having three more losses doesn't work for me.

    But there are variables that would change my mind about the 3-0 vs. 5-3. For instance, I'd take Joe Gibbs 3-0 over Belichick's 5-3 because the latter had Tom Brady and the former had three different QBs who were little more than journeymen.

    It's not all black and white.
    nevertheless, 5 > 3

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    nevertheless, 5 > 3
    Sure when you are on a level playing field, unfortunately the cheats always seem to play with the field tilted in their favor.

    Why wasn't belichek suspended for spygate yet Payton was suspended for a year for bountygate? Where was his suspension for deflategate?

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Not to derail this thread into another Tom Brady discussion - but it's the system, not the man. That is all I am going to say about it, to hopefully avoid doing exactly that.
    Looks like it happened anyway...

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    Looks like it happened anyway...
    ah nuts.

    Well, let's look on the bright side, at least I didn't accidentally introduce socialism.
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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    ah nuts.

    Well, let's look on the bright side, at least I didn't accidentally introduce socialism.
    you just did


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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    It's respecting greatness. Just because he kicks our asses all the time doesn't mean you can start discrediting him.

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    Hahaha, doesn't work like that.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-...act-of-spygate

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    5-3 Super Bowl record >>>> 4-0 Super Bowl record

    Belichick did nothing until Brady came along.

    In 2016 the Pats won the Super Bowl with the 25th ranked defense.
    Never discredited him, but this is a “Bell” thread not a Brady “bromance” thread.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    nevertheless, 5 > 3
    Nevertheless, ZERO losses > 3 losses.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkman View Post
    Never discredited him, but this is a “Bell” thread not a Brady “bromance” thread.
    I agree but It's the offseason. Nothing to talk about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Nevertheless, ZERO losses > 3 losses.
    so the Cleveland Browns actually know what they're doing then, they've outsmarted all the other teams in the league all these years!

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    so the Cleveland Browns actually know what they're doing then, they've outsmarted all the other teams in the league all these years!
    Ok... keep playing this game until you're right . Think what you want and I'll do likewise.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Nevertheless, ZERO losses > 3 losses.
    Those 3 losses were still chances to win, which Montana never even had.

    8 chances is much, much greater than 4. Exactly 2x better. I bet if you ask Montana himself, he would have been far happier with a 5-3 record in the Super Bowl than his 4-0.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by lipps83 View Post
    Those 3 losses were still chances to win, which Montana never even had.

    8 chances is much, much greater than 4. Exactly 2x better. I bet if you ask Montana himself, he would have been far happier with a 5-3 record in the Super Bowl than his 4-0.
    would everyone agree that 5-3 > 4-0?

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by lipps83 View Post
    Those 3 losses were still chances to win, which Montana never even had.

    8 chances is much, much greater than 4. Exactly 2x better. I bet if you ask Montana himself, he would have been far happier with a 5-3 record in the Super Bowl than his 4-0.
    I wouldn't be so sure. Take on three losses to get one more win. You make it sound like a no brainer, but I wouldn't take it. Most of these guys who are champions hate losing more than they love winning.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Let's talk about another comparison:

    Big Ben 2-1
    Elway 2-3

    Who has the better Super Bowl record?

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Let's talk about another comparison:

    Big Ben 2-1
    Elway 2-3

    Who has the better Super Bowl record?
    I’d easily take 2-3 over 2-1.

    That said, those two players are not a good comparison, because Elway won his two on the legs of Terrell Davis.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    I’d easily take 2-3 over 2-1.

    That said, those two players are not a good comparison, because Elway won his two on the legs of Terrell Davis.
    As a fan or as a player? As a fan, I hate it when the Steelers lose in the Super Bowl. I'd rather for them not to have made it. As a player, it's tough to say. Getting trounced doesn't do much for the legacy. I'd lean towards 2-1.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure. Take on three losses to get one more win. You make it sound like a no brainer, but I wouldn't take it. Most of these guys who are champions hate losing more than they love winning.
    I agree that they hate losing, but I am pretty sure that most would take a chance to win and come out with a loss in a title game over not even having the chance to compete for a title.

    Think about it this way. Brady was 5-3, Montana was 4-0. In comparison, Montana was no better than the Cleveland Browns who had the same amount of chances to win a title game in those 4 years.

    Damn right Montana would have played given the chance.

    If you aren't willing to compete for a title, why are you playing?

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by lipps83 View Post
    I agree that they hate losing, but I am pretty sure that most would take a chance to win and come out with a loss in a title game over not even having the chance to compete for a title.

    Think about it this way. Brady was 5-3, Montana was 4-0. In comparison, Montana was no better than the Cleveland Browns who had the same amount of chances to win a title game in those 4 years.

    Damn right Montana would have played given the chance.

    If you aren't willing to compete for a title, why are you playing?
    Played given the chance has nothing to do with the conversation. We are talking about after the fact -- when you KNOW that you LOST -- possibly very badly.

    So how many losses does it take to make one more win not better? 5-6, 5-8, 5-12? Are all those better than 4-0?

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Played given the chance has nothing to do with the conversation. We are talking about after the fact -- when you KNOW that you LOST -- possibly very badly.

    So how many losses does it take to make one more win not better? 5-6, 5-8, 5-12? Are all those better than 4-0?
    I know what the conversation is about, and you are saying that having a pristine record matters. Everyone else is telling you that it doesn't. Being 4-0 is nothing more than a boast. My dad can beat up your dad. You are having trouble seeing that both dads are awesome in their own ways.

    Yes, losing sucks but having had the chance to win does mean something to many people. It just doesn't to you, which is cool. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.

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    Re: Le'Veon Bell has 'confidence' he will sign deal with Steelers

    Quote Originally Posted by lipps83 View Post
    I agree that they hate losing, but I am pretty sure that most would take a chance to win and come out with a loss in a title game over not even having the chance to compete for a title.

    Think about it this way. Brady was 5-3, Montana was 4-0. In comparison, Montana was no better than the Cleveland Browns who had the same amount of chances to win a title game in those 4 years.

    Damn right Montana would have played given the chance.

    If you aren't willing to compete for a title, why are you playing?

    I don't think anyone's saying that people would rather not compete for a title if they lose. It's that losing the championship doesn't make you good.

    For that matter, when you win, a lot more goes into your overall "greatness" standing than the fact that you won. Robery Horry win 7 NBA championships with zero losses, but nobody except an idiot would say he's better than Michael Jordan at 6-0.

    How much was the individual player responsible for the team's success? That's where I'd say Brady's contribution is greatly, greatly overrated. Never been a more right-place, right-time player in the history of professional sports.

    Since someone will inevitably ask - 70% system/coaching, 20% cheating, 10% Brady. That's how I would break it down. Any halfway decent QB would do.
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