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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Quote Originally Posted by NCSteeler View Post
    Did anyone watch the Vikings game? Haley is fully to blame you spend two maybe three weeks planning and go three and out on the first few possession. You are shit. This game and the defense is completely different if we score 14 early points. Changes every thing. Point scoring is as much about when as it is how many . Haley sucks from the bottom to the top. Butler may suck too but Haley is a problem that needs to be taken care of

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    The entire team came out flat, like they do after every bye with Tomlin. I imagine we are the worst team in the NFL in the first half after a bye. I would be happy to see Tomlin gone, I have honestly never liked him. I would love to steal Wade Phillips for DC, but that is not going to happen.

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    Good point Mojouw, however the many times this season our def has run out there (and last years AFCCG) looking like the keystone cops, not knowing their assignments leads me to believe it is the coaching staff. Same thing happened on the MB TD this game. Nobody seemed to know who was supposed to do what. Add to that the game management (or lack of) by Tomlin . . . I honestly think he needs to go. This team is far too talented and, as someone else put it, should be a much better team. The coaching from the top down is a problem. Get rid of Butler, Haley and Tomlin (if it were up to me), but like you said, find replacements that are worthy. The problem is who? Coughlin? At least his team would be discliplined. Keep Fitchner and who for Butler? We don't want to change the entire scheme, just fix the problems and find people who can game plan and adjust during a game.

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    If I'm not mistaken, Haley's contract is up. That gives the Steelers an easy opening to just promote Fichtner to OC.
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    Tomlin, Haley and Butler, the 3 of them, should go and I'll add Porter and Lake. The Steelers never seem to be prepared mentally nor tactically to the challenge. I don't think there's any discipline, any fire or any pride in this team, and this has been going on for almost a decade now.
    Tomlin should consider himself lucky that Mario Lemieux doesn't own the Steelers. He'd been gone already.

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Quote Originally Posted by plenewken View Post
    Tomlin, Haley and Butler, the 3 of them, should go and I'll add Porter and Lake. The Steelers never seem to be prepared mentally nor tactically to the challenge. I don't think there's any discipline, any fire or any pride in this team, and this has been going on for almost a decade now.
    Tomlin should consider himself lucky that Mario Lemieux doesn't own the Steelers. He'd been gone already.
    Really? How many last minute comebacks were staged successfully this season? That only happens on a team with pride and mental discipline. Look at what they did in a losing effort yesterday? How many teams go in the tank down 3 scores at home in a playoff game? But they fought and rallied and almost pulled it off. That doesn't happen on a team with no pride and discipline.

    Its like folks only remember the losses and don't remember any of the good when they evaluate the team.

    Steelers got beat yesterday. It happens. There needs to be an evaluation, but not a knee jerk sweeping indictment of every last thing.

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Tomlin isn't going anywhere but he must be held accountable. Butler and Haley both are worthy of the chopping block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Really? How many last minute comebacks were staged successfully this season? That only happens on a team with pride and mental discipline. Look at what they did in a losing effort yesterday? How many teams go in the tank down 3 scores at home in a playoff game? But they fought and rallied and almost pulled it off. That doesn't happen on a team with no pride and discipline.

    Its like folks only remember the losses and don't remember any of the good when they evaluate the team.

    Steelers got beat yesterday. It happens. There needs to be an evaluation, but not a knee jerk sweeping indictment of every last thing.
    I've heard that for 9 seasons in a row. It's about time to address the root cause of the problem and it starts at the top. Sick and tired of the complacency.

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    I'm not sure AR2 will be as patient as his father and grand father. He's very much a different guy from them. Wouldn't surprise me if he put Tomlin on notice to fix it or face consequences . Might even demand some changes

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    We are kind of in a prime situation to make the switch to a 4-3 defense. Do the players fit ? They certainly don't fit a 3-4 without a true NT it just doesn't work

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Butler is a fine assistant. He probably teaches well. He is not equipped for in-game decisions and adjustments. Too many moving parts for him. We need someone with experience.

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Quote Originally Posted by NCSteeler View Post
    I'm not sure AR2 will be as patient as his father and grand father. He's very much a different guy from them. Wouldn't surprise me if he put Tomlin on notice to fix it or face consequences . Might even demand some changes
    Dan Rooney was pretty cold blooded - fired his brother as head of scouting in the mid-80s and made Noll clean house or leave after the 1988 season

    Tomlin's exit interview this season with the owner is going to be cold - in addition to the Jags loss the image of this team as a crew that acted out and did not back it up hurts the Steelers brand that has been developed since the 70s

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    We are kind of in a prime situation to make the switch to a 4-3 defense. Do the players fit ? They certainly don't fit a 3-4 without a true NT it just doesn't work

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    All THREE need to go. Did anyone not see how the onside kick was executed??
    Rooney too! They all need to go!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Can't see any chance of Haley and Ben going through another season together. Promote from within with Fichtner.

    Hope AR2 puts some pressure on Tomlin to upgrade and move on from Butler.

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Rex Ryan

    He gets along with Tomlin, and he can beat the Taperiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaDan View Post
    Dan Rooney was pretty cold blooded - fired his brother as head of scouting in the mid-80s and made Noll clean house or leave after the 1988 season

    Tomlin's exit interview this season with the owner is going to be cold - in addition to the Jags loss the image of this team as a crew that acted out and did not back it up hurts the Steelers brand that has been developed since the 70s



    That's true (the tweet). However, unless I'm mistaken (and it's very possible I am), when we move out of the 3-4 and use anything like four down lineman, we're basically dropping in another Linebacker as the fourth lineman and playing the nickel or dime behind them, no?


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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Rex Ryan

    He gets along with Tomlin, and he can beat the Taperiots.
    Not sure if you are serious but I actually like the idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasteeler View Post
    Not sure if you are serious but I actually like the idea
    I’m actually dead serious. For once.

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Rex Ryan

    He gets along with Tomlin, and he can beat the Taperiots.
    What the fuck. Why do i like this idea.

    And for those who would be worried about him running his mouth, remember that he wasnt in the news doing that stuff when he was lighting it up in Baltimore.
    Quote Originally Posted by XxKnightxX View Post
    We are not Buffalo, We are not Miami. We are the Steelers, we dont blow out teams, we cock tease for ratings and keep games close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Rex Ryan

    He gets along with Tomlin, and he can beat the Taperiots.
    I'd welcome Footman as DC, as DC he actually has a great track record

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Rex and Rob Ryan are charlatans and frauds. Hiring those guys would be a fatal mistake for any franchise.

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Rex and Rob Ryan are charlatans and frauds. Hiring those guys would be a fatal mistake for any franchise.
    Idk, everywhere he goes, the defensive players love him. On the surface, I like Rex the DC, definitely not the HC. He's one of those guys
    Quote Originally Posted by XxKnightxX View Post
    We are not Buffalo, We are not Miami. We are the Steelers, we dont blow out teams, we cock tease for ratings and keep games close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Rex and Rob Ryan are charlatans and frauds. Hiring those guys would be a fatal mistake for any franchise.
    Rex knows defense. As long as he doesn't touch the offense the team would be fine with him

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    Rex knows defense. As long as he doesn't touch the offense the team would be fine with him
    Does he? Look at the points allowed rank - https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/RyanRe0.htm

    In the bottom half of the league since 2011. I understand he wasn't DC during that stretch, but still.

    Compare that to Tomlin w/ Lebeau and Butler: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/TomlMi0.htm

    I realize this isn't the world's most accurate or precise comparison but it is a start and I'm not sure it really paints a super flattering picture...then again...status quo is not always a solid argument either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Butler is a fine assistant. He probably teaches well.
    I'm not so sure about that. He's a linebacker specialist, and linebacker has been a chronic problem despite a staggering number of high draft picks...

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86 View Post
    Idk, everywhere he goes, the defensive players love him. On the surface, I like Rex the DC, definitely not the HC. He's one of those guys
    Rob was hated and Rex hired him -- http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/0...ng-on-defense/

    Rex wasn't always able to communicate well with the players either -- http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffal...idnt_work.html

    At various points several prominent Bills players questioned Ryan and his approach -- https://nesn.com/2015/10/current-for...ch-on-defense/

    What is the real story? Hell if I know! But after his Ravens stint and about halfway through his Jets tenure, I think the bloom came off the rose a bit.

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    From what I've been reading on social media, it seems Tomlin is basically the DC as much as Butler is.

    I don't see Haley being back though. Fitch will be the OC, a new QB coach will be hired.

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    It is frustrating to me how this team looked and ranked well last year defensively and played well the first part of this year and then as soon as our offense kicked it into gear, they have not been very good.

    What caused this decline? I was expecting these young players to be getting better.

    Hopefully, one more heavily defensive draft and another year of playing together will help this defense re-gel / improve to where we need them to be to in order to win another lombardi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    It is frustrating to me how this team looked and ranked well last year defensively and played well the first part of this year and then as soon as our offense kicked it into gear, they have not been very good.

    What caused this decline? I was expecting these young players to be getting better.

    Hopefully, one more heavily defensive draft and another year of playing together will help this defense re-gel / improve to where we need them to be to in order to win another lombardi.
    I agree. Some may point to Shazier's injury. While I can understand that to a certain degree, it doesn't explain all the issues. Then, when I think back over that game, I continually see the issue not being the CBs and Safeties. It's the short stuff underneath with no one around. So, unless everyone was missing their assignments again and again, it has to be a scheme issue.


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    Tomlin not ready to talk about potential coaching-staff changes

    Mike Florio, ProFootball Talk on NBC Sports

    Amid increasing chatter than Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley, whose contract is expiring, won’t return, coach Mike Tomlin did nothing to fuel — or extinguish — those flames during a season-ending press conference on Tuesday.

    Tomlin told reporters regarding his staff, “I don’t know where these roads are going to lead,” and Tomlin made it clear that he’s not ready to address the situation “at this point.”

    to read rest of article:

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tomlin-...175851217.html

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    Re: Priority should be replacing BUTLER not HALEY

    My pick would be Wade Philips, everywhere he goes as a DC that def is in the top 5 and effective. Hell, look at Denver, went from one of the best Def's in a long time to average after he left. He can change his gameplan mid game and adjusts to the players strengths.

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    My pick would be Wade Philips, everywhere he goes as a DC that def is in the top 5 and effective. Hell, look at Denver, went from one of the best Def's in a long time to average after he left. He can change his gameplan mid game and adjusts to the players strengths.

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