Fire Everyone.

[faninyork]

Now.

[st33lersguy]

It's time for Lloyd Christmas Haley and Harry Dunne Butler to get fired. Step into my office you two, cause you're fuckin fired

[Steeldude]

It's time for Lloyd Christmas Haley and Harry Dunne Butler to get fired. Step into my office you two, cause you're fuckin fired

Why is Tomlin exempt?

[faninyork]

Why is Tomlin exempt?

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Nobody is getting fired. If Haley does it will solely be a power move by Ben. No heads are going to roll because of this loss. That's not how the Steelers organization operates. Everyone here knows that already.

If Ben stays, nothing changes. The only way a wholesale change is made is if Ben walks...

[plenewken]

It's time for Lloyd Christmas Haley and Harry Dunne Butler to get fired. Step into my office you two, cause you're fuckin fired

You can add Porter and Lake to the list.

[st33lersguy]

You can add Porter and Lake to the list.

The entire defensive staff save for john Mitchell can get fired

[Moose]

The entire defensive staff save for john Mitchell can get fired

Agree 100% It's long overdue, and it's time for Rooney to step up like his old man would and shake up some useless crap ! Defense is laughing stock anymo

[Mojouw]

The entire defensive staff save for john Mitchell can get fired

Because of the amazing showing by the DL in their biggest test of the year? The front 3 had exactly 5 tackles. 5 in 61 Jaguars offensive snaps with 30 being runs by the back and 5 being runs by the QB. The DL also generated no sacks, hits, hurries, or negative plays. Not once was a Jags RB touched behind the line of scrimmage.

Why in the hell would the DL position coach get a pass on that performance? That being said I like Mitchell and think that he does a hell of job with the DL group.

But your leading run stoppers yesterday were Joe Haden, Sean Davis, Mike Mitchell, and Vince Williams. And everyone wonders why the Jags ran rampant? The DL and ILB got their asses kicked. And it was left to the DBs to clean up the mess.

[DesertSteel]

*yawn*

[EzraTank]

I said this in the GDT ... the Eagles fired Andy Reid after doing what Tomlin does every year. Winning in the regular season then choking when it counts most. Tomlin's only Superbowl win was with all Cowher players, then got out coached against the Packers with Cowher's aging players in 2010.

It's time. Tomlin clearly cannot win with "his" team.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Tomlin's only Superbowl win was with all Cowher players, then got out coached against the Packers with Cowher's aging players in 2010.

It's time. Tomlin clearly cannot win with "his" team.

[fansince'76]

I said this in the GDT ... the Eagles fired Andy Reid after doing what Tomlin does every year. Winning in the regular season then choking when it counts most. Tomlin's only Superbowl win was with all Cowher players, then got out coached against the Packers with Cowher's aging players in 2010.

It's time. Tomlin clearly cannot win with "his" team.

If I had a nickel for every time a Cowher team gacked in the postseason I'd be retired by now...

[Neversatisfied]

If I had a nickel for every time a Cowher team gacked in the postseason I'd be retired by now...

Cowher had very poor players to work with Tomlin was given a well built team

[fansince'76]

Cowher had very poor players to work with Tomlin was given a well built team

Huh? Noll handed Cowher a wealth of good players. And the QB situation was largely his own fault because he didn't value the QB position and thought he could win without one. Hell, if Rooney hadn't pulled rank on him in 2004, he would've passed on Roethlisberger for Shaun Andrews.

[EzraTank]

If I had a nickel for every time a Cowher team gacked in the postseason I'd be retired by now...

Yes but his players did win two Superbowls and almost a third in 2010. Tomlin's teams are regular season great.

[fansince'76]

Yes but his players did win two Superbowls and almost a third in 2010. Tomlin's teams are regular season great.

You mean like Harrison, who did nothing but rot on the bench under Cowher?

By the way, I'm not defending Tomlin. I'm saying a 60-year-old Cowher is not the solution to this team getting over the hump, that's all.

[EzraTank]

45 points to Blake Bortles (Well 38 minus the fumble return).

Let that sink in. When you score 35 at home you should always win.

[Hawkman]

45 points to Blake Bortles (Well 38 minus the fumble return).

Let that sink in. When you score 35 at home you should always win.

.........and that’s Tomlin’s fault?

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Except, these have been problems throughout Butler's tenure, and several of them were problems in Lebeau's tenure as well when we had superb ILBs. So no, I don't agree that just getting a better ILB fixes this. Not only due we need a better ILB, but we also need a better scheme to put him in the places he needs to be to make plays, as well as the other linebackers and OL and safeties and CBs.

WHO?

[BlackAndGold]

Keith Butler has to go, honestly the whole defensive coaching staff needs to be replaced.

[86WARD]

Butler, Haley and Smith should all get walking papers on Monday. If not, the off season will be a failure no matter what else happens. It doesn’t matter what personnel gets thrown out there in 2018...you could field a pro bowl roster and this coaching staff would ruin it. It’s proven year after year.

[j-d-s]

Haley, Smith and Butler need to go. I would keep Tomlin but get him a lesson on how to preserve time (that final sequence was typical... after the Grounding, we need to kick the Field goal to at least have a chance to recover an onside kick and a couple of Hail mary shots to the endzone).

In particular, Haley's playcalling was even worse than usual. While I do agree on going for it on 4th Down and 1, we had to run it between the tackles with Bell there (or even QB sneak it, which is what the Cheats do). Especially the run with Bell wide was stupid after the Jags had stopped that every time before.

The defense is a dumpster fire, allowing 38 points to a team with Bortles at QB is simply unacceptable. With that kind of play we probably would have gotten 50 hanged up on us by the Cheats...

[DesertSteel]

Nobody is getting fired. If Haley does it will solely be a power move by Ben. No heads are going to roll because of this loss. That's not how the Steelers organization operates. Everyone here knows that already.

[BlackAndGold]

Nobody is getting fired. If Haley does it will solely be a power move by Ben. No heads are going to roll because of this loss. That's not how the Steelers organization operates. Everyone here knows that already.

It's time for them to make changes on defense, laughable if they don't. All these high draft choices and the defense gets beat by Blake fucking Bortles.

[86WARD]

Nobody is getting fired. If Haley does it will solely be a power move by Ben. No heads are going to roll because of this loss. That's not how the Steelers organization operates. Everyone here knows that already.

We know they don’t act irrational like most of us think. But if that coaching staff stays together, then the off-season is a failure...these losses fall on the coaching staff and something needs to change somewhere. It’s the same old story with this team.

[Shoes]

I think the Steelers made a mistake by promising Butler the DC position before Lebeau left. They should have had full interviews from as many coaches as possible.

[Steelerette]

If Ben stays, fire Haley, promote Fichtner. Our game preparation issues will be nothing compared to having Ben learning a new system. If Ben goes, they both need to go.

At this junction I don't have a problem with Butler. He goes to war with the army he has.

Danny Smith I'm undecided.

[Craic]

At this junction I don't have a problem with Butler. He goes to war with the army he has.

Two first round draft picks starting at CB.
Two second round draft picks starting at safety.
a first, a second, and a third round draft pick starting on the OL.
Two first round draft picks starting at LB (three with Shazier).

Sorry, but you cannot blame the defensive problems on the talent level. Moreover, we are seeing the exact same problems we saw with the previous generation of Steelers defense. They can't stop teams in the fourth quarter, and they shift to zone and cannot stop teams from abusing us in seem routes. That's pure scheme. And that ​is the coaching.

[fansince'76]

Two first round draft picks starting at CB.
Two second round draft picks starting at safety.
a first, a second, and a third round draft pick starting on the OL.
Two first round draft picks starting at LB (three with Shazier).

Sorry, but you cannot blame the defensive problems on the talent level. Moreover, we are seeing the exact same problems we saw with the previous generation of Steelers defense. They can't stop teams in the fourth quarter, and they shift to zone and cannot stop teams from abusing us in seem routes. That's pure scheme. And that ​is the coaching.

That's been happening to LeBeau defenses all the way back to Super Bowl XXIII. Montana owes a debt of gratitude to LeBeau for helping to cement his legacy.



Only difference is now any scrub QB that can make an NFL roster can beat it too.

[Craic]

That's been happening to LeBeau defenses all the way back to Super Bowl XXIII. Montana owes a debt of gratitude to LeBeau for helping to cement his legacy.



Only difference is now any scrub QB that can make an NFL roster can beat it too.

Yep. And it's been a discussion we've had (and agreed on) for well-nigh 10 years now. (Can you believe it? We're getting old).

[JayC]

If I'm Tomlin, i'm begging Ben to stay. If Ben leaves it will show what a fraud Tomlin really is. When we win, we win on pure skill. When we lose, it's on terrible coaching, preparation, X's and O's, lack of clock management, etc. Tomlin and his staff suck