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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    My latest mock from walkthemock.com for PIT via Default ranking

    1:28 - LB Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
    2:28 - EDGE Hercules Mata'afa, Washington St.
    3:28 - FS Justin Reid, Stanford
    5:11 - CB Adonis Alexander, Virginia Tech
    5:28 - LB Christian Sam, Arizona St.
    7:28 - WR Cedric Wilson, Boise St.

    The rankings are a bit all over the map to say the least. Also I do not honestly think the Steelers will go an entire draft with only one pick on offense.

    But seriously, look at that! I mean I know there are questions about all of those guys, but still. If I was Butler and this was the actual end of the draft, I would do cartwheels.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    My latest mock from walkthemock.com for PIT via Default ranking

    1:28 - LB Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
    2:28 - EDGE Hercules Mata'afa, Washington St.
    3:28 - FS Justin Reid, Stanford
    5:11 - CB Adonis Alexander, Virginia Tech
    5:28 - LB Christian Sam, Arizona St.
    7:28 - WR Cedric Wilson, Boise St.

    The rankings are a bit all over the map to say the least. Also I do not honestly think the Steelers will go an entire draft with only one pick on offense.

    But seriously, look at that! I mean I know there are questions about all of those guys, but still. If I was Butler and this was the actual end of the draft, I would do cartwheels.
    Tremaine Edmunds at 28 is a steal.

    Justin Reid in R3 is grand larceny.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Tremaine Edmunds at 28 is a steal.

    Justin Reid in R3 is grand larceny.
    Yeah. I liked that sim last year but I think their rankings are a bit off right now. I'm sure once combine and pro day data gets compiled it will shift.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    You guys can get pissed all you want. If Goedert is there in R2 I'm taking him!


    Round 1 Pick 28: Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 28: Dallas Goedert, TE, South Dakota State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 28: Donte Jackson, CB, LSU (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Christian Sam, ILB, Arizona State (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 28: Terrell Edmunds, SS, Virginia Tech (A)
    Round 7 Pick 28: DaeSean Hamilton, WR, Penn State (A)

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    You guys can get pissed all you want. If Goedert is there in R2 I'm taking him!


    Round 1 Pick 28: Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 28: Dallas Goedert, TE, South Dakota State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 28: Donte Jackson, CB, LSU (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Christian Sam, ILB, Arizona State (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 28: Terrell Edmunds, SS, Virginia Tech (A)
    Round 7 Pick 28: DaeSean Hamilton, WR, Penn State (A)
    STEAL!!!!!

    Seriously, those settings are so far off.

    Tremaine Edmunds is a top 15 pick, and his brother is easily a R2 pick. Jackson is mocked by many to go at around 31 (to the Taperiots).

    If Goedert is there in R2, I’d had zero problem with drafting him (over a safety/linebacker).

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    STEAL!!!!!

    Seriously, those settings are so far off.

    Tremaine Edmunds is a top 15 pick, and his brother is easily a R2 pick. Jackson is mocked by many to go at around 31 (to the Taperiots).

    If Goedert is there in R2, I’d had zero problem with drafting him (over a safety/linebacker).
    I don't know. I just don't think a TE hits the radar this draft. IMO, JJ improved and McDonald played better than hoped for. I really think this entire draft, for the Steelers, revolves around who is there when we pick at 28. So much of the rest depends on that pick. Moreso than in years past. Example, if we were able to get Tremaine Edmunds, I believe he would give us such a boost in the middle that we could consider more options in round 2, even RB or TE. But if we are made to reach for a player that doesn't have that high grade (another Burns pick), then maybe we look to double dip to improve the chance of success. Just my thoughts.

    And yes, I do understand it's 'mock drafting', so no, I'm not debating, just discussing. I'm starting to believe I must have a very argumentative tone on here. I don't mean to.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    STEAL!!!!!

    Seriously, those settings are so far off.

    Tremaine Edmunds is a top 15 pick, and his brother is easily a R2 pick. Jackson is mocked by many to go at around 31 (to the Taperiots).

    If Goedert is there in R2, I’d had zero problem with drafting him (over a safety/linebacker).
    There seems, right now, to be a WILD range of rankings of guys. Every write-up I see is high on Reid from Stanford and every mock draft simulation site has him ranked in the 5th round or so. Honestly, I think the safety class is going to be ranked very differently by a lot of people. Many are going to rank down any prospect with the words "in the box", "downhill", or "ss" attached to their name.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    STEAL!!!!!

    Seriously, those settings are so far off.

    Tremaine Edmunds is a top 15 pick, and his brother is easily a R2 pick. Jackson is mocked by many to go at around 31 (to the Taperiots).

    If Goedert is there in R2, I’d had zero problem with drafting him (over a safety/linebacker).
    They are indeed and some way more than others.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    I don't know. I just don't think a TE hits the radar this draft. IMO, JJ improved and McDonald played better than hoped for. I really think this entire draft, for the Steelers, revolves around who is there when we pick at 28. So much of the rest depends on that pick. Moreso than in years past. Example, if we were able to get Tremaine Edmunds, I believe he would give us such a boost in the middle that we could consider more options in round 2, even RB or TE. But if we are made to reach for a player that doesn't have that high grade (another Burns pick), then maybe we look to double dip to improve the chance of success. Just my thoughts.

    And yes, I do understand it's 'mock drafting', so no, I'm not debating, just discussing. I'm starting to believe I must have a very argumentative tone on here. I don't mean to.
    From what I’m reading & hearing, Goedert has been compared to Gronk and to Gates. He is likely going to be a the best TE in this draft... and I’m thinking he goes late R1/early R2. If we are drafting BPA, then Goedert at 58 is an outstanding value (although, not necessarily a glaring need).

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    From what I’m reading & hearing, Goedert has been compared to Gronk and to Gates. He is likely going to be a the best TE in this draft... and I’m thinking he goes late R1/early R2. If we are drafting BPA, then Goedert at 58 is an outstanding value (although, not necessarily a glaring need).
    I am a believer in the BPA technique in the first round. I think that is where you get the game changers. I don't think there is another Shazier in this draft, even if we were selecting number one overall. So by that logic, I can forego taking an ILB at 28, or even in the 2nd depending on how the picks are falling. That said, I will be shocked if there is no ILB selected in either round.

    If pick 28 comes around and still on the board are Goedert, Tremaine Edmunds, and Derwin James, who's your pick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    I am a believer in the BPA technique in the first round. I think that is where you get the game changers. I don't think there is another Shazier in this draft, even if we were selecting number one overall. So by that logic, I can forego taking an ILB at 28, or even in the 2nd depending on how the picks are falling. That said, I will be shocked if there is no ILB selected in either round.

    If pick 28 comes around and still on the board are Goedert, Tremaine Edmunds, and Derwin James, who's your pick?
    As much as I want a TE & Edge/ILB I'd go with James. This Kid is going to be really special and he has the leadership skills the defense is lacking, they need a fiery leader. Heck you put some weight on him with his size he could double as an ILB/Edge rusher.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    If pick 28 comes around and still on the board are Goedert, Tremaine Edmunds, and Derwin James, who's your pick?
    Edmunds or James

    You can’t go wrong with Florida St. DBs. But, Edmunds is a freak. Gun to my head... Edmunds.

    (Goedert at 60 is a steal; Goedert at 28 is a reach.) b

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    What do you guys think of Marcus Davenport?

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    My 5 round mock draft

    1. Rashaan Evan, ILB, Alabama (Have to replace Shazier, may need some luck for him to fall to #28)
    2. Jessie Bates, S, Wake Forrest (still learning about this guy but he's getting some hype. Here's a post by Daniel Jeremiah on his Instagram https://www.instagram.com/p/BfDOJghl...=movethesticks
    3. Deon Cain, WR, Clemson (AB, JuJu, Bryant....then who?)
    5. Skai Moore, ILB, South Carolina (Tweener LB who has very good coverage skills. Could makes a very good dimebacker)
    5. Marquis Haynes, OLB, Ole Miss (athletic player that needs to get bigger and work on his pass rushing skills. May go go in round 4 if he tests well)
    1. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 2. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia 3. Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan 3. ​Renardo Green, CB, FSU 4. Mo Kamara, OLB, Colorado State 6. Logan Lee, DT, Iowa 6.Khristian Boyd, NT, Northern Iowa

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    Not sure if its been discussed yet or not....But I am becoming more and more confident that we will draft a DL in the first three rounds. We play 4-3 to such an extent that it warrants another athletic big-body in the middle...and lets be honest...our push up front was terrible this last year. It really IS a priority.

    Also thinking we may double up on ILB. Shazier is never going to play another down and Williams isn't a starter on most teams in the league.

    I'm almost thinking ILB in the first, with DL and Safety being addressed early. Latter part of the draft should bring us a project ILB...a WR...and possibly an offensive lineman and CB.
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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    What do you guys think of Marcus Davenport?
    Good player, but probably a 4-3 DE... so unless we're changing something.

    Probably a top 15 pick anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    Not sure if its been discussed yet or not....But I am becoming more and more confident that we will draft a DL in the first three rounds. We play 4-3 to such an extent that it warrants another athletic big-body in the middle...and lets be honest...our push up front was terrible this last year. It really IS a priority.
    If we do, and we very well could, I'd think we go more in the mold of our classic picks at DE... 6-4" @ 290

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Latest mock draft simulation, this one from fanspeak (Had it down that the Steelers got a 7th, not a 6th from the Giants)

    28: R1P28 LB RASHAAN EVANS ALABAMA
    60: R2P28 TE DALLAS GOEDERT SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
    92: R3P28 S ARMANI WATTS TEXAS A&M
    150: R5P11 EDGE DUKE EJIOFOR WAKE FOREST
    167: R5P28 LB JACK CICHY WISCONSIN
    220: R7P2 RB AKRUM WADLEY IOWA
    246: R7P28 WR QUADREE HENDERSON PITTSBURGH

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    What if...

    28. Pittsburgh Steelers: Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama

    The Steelers could use a strong safety to pair with Sean Davis.

    In 2017, Harrison totaled 74 tackles with three interceptions, 2.5 sacks and four passes batted. He played really well as an enforcer in the middle of the field. Aside from coverage issues, Harrison had a quality 2016 season as the strong safety when he totaled 86 tackles with seven passes broken up and two interceptions.

    Harrison (6-3, 216) is a tough run defender who has the athletic skills to cover, but he has issues covering receivers in man coverage. Team sources have said an example of that is Clemson's Hunter Renfrow really abusing Harrison in the past, and that is why Minkah Fitzpatrick served as the coverage safety for the Crimson Tide. Playing zone in the middle of the field is a better fit for Harrison. Because of some coverage limitations, Harrison is a strong safety type for the NFL.



    Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018c...#ixzz57gNRRmEJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelMember View Post
    What if...

    28. Pittsburgh Steelers: Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama

    The Steelers could use a strong safety to pair with Sean Davis.

    In 2017, Harrison totaled 74 tackles with three interceptions, 2.5 sacks and four passes batted. He played really well as an enforcer in the middle of the field. Aside from coverage issues, Harrison had a quality 2016 season as the strong safety when he totaled 86 tackles with seven passes broken up and two interceptions.

    Harrison (6-3, 216) is a tough run defender who has the athletic skills to cover, but he has issues covering receivers in man coverage. Team sources have said an example of that is Clemson's Hunter Renfrow really abusing Harrison in the past, and that is why Minkah Fitzpatrick served as the coverage safety for the Crimson Tide. Playing zone in the middle of the field is a better fit for Harrison. Because of some coverage limitations, Harrison is a strong safety type for the NFL.



    Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018c...#ixzz57gNRRmEJ

    Pass.
    Steelers need a deep center fielder, a safety that can actually cover people. I read through his nfl.com draft profile and it felt like I was reading about Mike Mitchell at times

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerette View Post
    1. Justin Reid FS Stanford
    2. Dorance Armstrong OLB Kansas
    3. Mason Rudolph QB OK State
    5. Antonio Callaway WR Florida
    5. Ralph Webb RB Vandy
    7. Will Gleeson P Ole Miss
    7. Mavin Saunders TE FSU

    (assuming the conditional for Cockrell will be a 7th)
    Reid is more of a 2nd round type of talent.

    I like Rudolph a lot and would take him in round three.

    If you want to pick punter, take the Texas or Alabama guy.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Gonna make some heads itch.

    R1. Anthony Miller WR
    R2. Dallas Goedert TE
    R3. Royce Freeman RB
    R5a. Kurt Benkert QB
    R5b. Damon Webb Safety
    R7a. Kenny Young LB
    R7b. Genard Avery LB

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Now breathe easier.

    R1. Harold Landry Edge - Most pro ready pass rusher in this draft, IMO.
    R2. Leighton Vander Esch ILB - Best of the rest.
    R3. Mike Hughes CB - Very under-rated CB. Steal in the 3rd, IMO.
    R5a. Bo Scarbrough RB - Between the tackles hard ass runner.
    R5b. Allen Lazard WR - Big tall WR/TE for the NFL.
    R6. Ade Aruna OLB - Solid player. Can also backup at DE. True edge guy.
    R7a. Evan Berry Safety(Kick return specialist) - Not much to see as a safety due to injury. KR specialist and backup safety.
    R7b. Antonio Callaway WR - Late enough to take a chance on a high risk/high reward WR. 1st round talent if he can stay on the field.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Gonna make some heads itch.

    R1. Anthony Miller WR
    R2. Dallas Goedert TE
    R3. Royce Freeman RB
    R5a. Kurt Benkert QB
    R5b. Damon Webb Safety
    R7a. Kenny Young LB
    R7b. Genard Avery LB
    If 3 and 5a were ILB/S (S/ILB), I might actually be fine with this.

    It’s the 80/20 principle: focus on your strengths (as opposed to trying to correct your weaknesses).

    The offebse would legitimately score 35+ per game. As long as the defense could hold teams to 30...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Now breathe easier.

    R1. Harold Landry Edge - Most pro ready pass rusher in this draft, IMO.
    R2. Leighton Vander Esch ILB - Best of the rest.
    R3. Mike Hughes CB - Very under-rated CB. Steal in the 3rd, IMO.
    R5a. Bo Scarbrough RB - Between the tackles hard ass runner.
    R5b. Allen Lazard WR - Big tall WR/TE for the NFL.
    R6. Ade Aruna OLB - Solid player. Can also backup at DE. True edge guy.
    R7a. Evan Berry Safety(Kick return specialist) - Not much to see as a safety due to injury. KR specialist and backup safety.
    R7b. Antonio Callaway WR - Late enough to take a chance on a high risk/high reward WR. 1st round talent if he can stay on the field.
    I don’t see LVE making it to 60. And, some mocks have Mike Hughes going in the top 10... not that they’re right, but I doubt that they’d be off by 70+ spots.

    Lazard!!! Yes to that!!!!!

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    If 3 and 5a were ILB/S (S/ILB), I might actually be fine with this.

    It’s the 80/20 principle: focus on your strengths (as opposed to trying to correct your weaknesses).

    The offebse would legitimately score 35+ per game. As long as the defense could hold teams to 30...

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    I don’t see LVE making it to 60. And, some mocks have Mike Hughes going in the top 10... not that they’re right, but I doubt that they’d be off by 70+ spots.

    Lazard!!! Yes to that!!!!!
    Really, Hughes in the top 10? I had not heard that. LVE's combine numbers will make a huge impact this week. Plus, no way we would ever draft Callaway, but if he were actually there that late....we took Holliman after all. I also have 3 possible KRs in that mock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Really, Hughes in the top 10?
    A few have him that high, most have him in the teens, and the rest have him going in the 20’s.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Ok. So played around on FirstPick.com on the assumption that some team will want to come up into the end of the 1st round for a QB or a pass rusher. A trade out into the early 2nd round ends up with this:

    Round 2 Pick 5 (NYJ): Vander Esch, Leighton, OLB/ILB, Boise State (ILB of the future)
    Round 2 Pick 28: Allen, Marcus, FS, Penn State (PLug and play safety)
    Round 3 Pick 8 (NYJ): Guice, Derrius, RB, LSU (Let's just get some unquestioned L Bell and Conner insurance. If Guice gets healthy he is Marshawn Lynch right when Bell starts breaking down)
    Round 3 Pick 28: Carter, Lorenzo, OLB, Georgia (Outside. Inside. I don't care. Take another high end athlete for the LB level and figure out the fit on the fly)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Fumagalli, Troy, TE, Wisconsin (Because even with a healthy McDonald, no one really believes in the current TE group. The inverse Jesse James. I know he can block, not sure he is much in the pass game at the NFL level. Matt Spaeth at worst?)
    Round 5 Pick 28: Ateman, Marcell, WR, Oklahoma State (Keep the WR pipeline running)
    Round 7 Pick 2: J Hall, P, DT, Sam Houston State (Big Guy for the middle with some nimbleness.)
    Round 7 Pick 28: Ogundeko, Ebenezer, DE/OLB, Tennessee State (Lottery ticket. If his head is together and he can put in the work, get a pass rush specialist. If he is a terminal knucklehead, then at this point -- who cares?)

    If it could go down like this, I really like the idea of trading back. The only real drawback with it is how folks see the following guys:

    1. Evans at LB
    2. Key at pass rusher
    3. Harrison at safety

    Trade back means you almost surely pass on these guys and lose out on Reid as well.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Ok. So played around on FirstPick.com on the assumption that some team will want to come up into the end of the 1st round for a QB or a pass rusher. A trade out into the early 2nd round ends up with this:

    Round 2 Pick 5 (NYJ): Vander Esch, Leighton, OLB/ILB, Boise State (ILB of the future)
    Round 2 Pick 28: Allen, Marcus, FS, Penn State (PLug and play safety)
    Round 3 Pick 8 (NYJ): Guice, Derrius, RB, LSU (Let's just get some unquestioned L Bell and Conner insurance. If Guice gets healthy he is Marshawn Lynch right when Bell starts breaking down)
    Round 3 Pick 28: Carter, Lorenzo, OLB, Georgia (Outside. Inside. I don't care. Take another high end athlete for the LB level and figure out the fit on the fly)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Fumagalli, Troy, TE, Wisconsin (Because even with a healthy McDonald, no one really believes in the current TE group. The inverse Jesse James. I know he can block, not sure he is much in the pass game at the NFL level. Matt Spaeth at worst?)
    Round 5 Pick 28: Ateman, Marcell, WR, Oklahoma State (Keep the WR pipeline running)
    Round 7 Pick 2: J Hall, P, DT, Sam Houston State (Big Guy for the middle with some nimbleness.)
    Round 7 Pick 28: Ogundeko, Ebenezer, DE/OLB, Tennessee State (Lottery ticket. If his head is together and he can put in the work, get a pass rush specialist. If he is a terminal knucklehead, then at this point -- who cares?)

    If it could go down like this, I really like the idea of trading back. The only real drawback with it is how folks see the following guys:

    1. Evans at LB
    2. Key at pass rusher
    3. Harrison at safety

    Trade back means you almost surely pass on these guys and lose out on Reid as well.
    I love this idea... but, the Steelers seem to just stand pat.

    The year that that we drafted Burns, there were offers like this... but, Colbert got his guy.

    Oh... Guice in R3 would be the biggest steal since AB in R6. (These sites don’t seem to have any realistic and/or consistent rankings.)

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    I love this idea... but, the Steelers seem to just stand pat.

    The year that that we drafted Burns, there were offers like this... but, Colbert got his guy.

    Oh... Guice in R3 would be the biggest steal since AB in R6. (These sites don’t seem to have any realistic and/or consistent rankings.)
    Yeah the rankings are all over the place. I suspect the next 2-3 weeks will bring almost ever ranking place into alignment.

    Unless I'm picking in the top 10-12, I'm a huge fan of the trade back. But you're right, Colbert is not -- so it won't happen.

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    Re: Early 2018 Mock Draft

    Round 1 Pick 28: Allen, Josh, QB, Wyoming (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 28: Reid, Justin, FS, Stanford (A)
    Round 3 Pick 28: Holland, Jeff, OLB, Auburn (A)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Wilson, Cedrick, WR, Boise State (A)
    Round 5 Pick 28: Cichy, Jack, ILB/OLB, Wisconsin (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 2: J Hall, P, DT, Sam Houston State (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 28: King, Jamarcus, CB, South Carolina (A)

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