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The Pittsburgh Steelers were drubbed 30-9 by the Jacksonville Jaguars Sunday at Heinz Field in a game that featured quarterback Ben Roethlisberger throwing a career-high five interceptions, of which two were returned for touchdowns.
After the game, Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin was asked if Roethlisberger is now taking any risks that he hasn’t done before.
“He’s not playing well, man, I’ll let him speak for him,” Tomlin said.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/10...-playing-well/
Tomlin is coaching about as well as Ben played, this team has more problems than just Ben
No shit Mike!!
As I said weeks ago.....this is NOT a good team. All the talent is wasted. Coaching and play calling pathetic. No discipline. A constant down hill slide.
Discipline is a major issue with this team...as much as I hate to agree with bradshaw but maybe tomlin is nothing but a cheerleader!Originally Posted by Moose
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What discipline issue us it? Discipline is a lazy cliche.
Guys aren't throwing punches or getting unsportsmanlike penalties. Rex Ryan teams are undisciplined.
This Steekera team fails to execute the plays being called. More often than not the coaches have put them in position to succeed. Then one or more of the following happens
The QB screws up
The receiver drops the ball
The backup o line of the week commits a penalty.
That's not lack of discipline. That's just being shitty at your job.
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When players fail to wrap up on a tackle week in and week out, it points to team disipline.
When players commit way too many penalties at home, it points to team disipline.
When players jump up and celebrate a tackle after a nine yard game, it points to team disipline.
These are just a few things that these Mike Tomlin coached teams do and have done for several seasons now. The points i made are not opinion they are fact, its a sad reality for me and quite a few other fans. I was a huge Mike Tomlin fan up to the point he thought he could get away with an attempted trip of a player on Primetime Television, that really upset me. I'm not saying Mike Tomlin is a terrible coach or a cheat but what i will say is that he was gifted a group of guys who were at the top and its very difficult to duplicate that but he has managed to coach a group that looks to a large percentage of fans as undisciplined.
If your boss lays out a clear set of expectations, provides you with a SOP manual for your job, and then offers you repeated attempts to practice your assigned tasks prior to be being evaluated AND you still shit the bed, is that your boss's fault?
I mean at some point the players have to take advantage of the positions for success that the coaching staff puts them in.
If Haley is such a bad play caller and his scheme is so terrible, how is Antonio Brown wide open so often? Point is that AB works hard and takes advantage of the positions the team/coaching staff puts him in. Eli Rogers does not. Juju seems kinda sorta about to be. McDonald does not. I could go on. But I think I've made my perspective clear.
Not sure it is right, but its my 2 cents.
I agree, if you are given the opportunity to sucseed by your superior and knock it out of the park kudos to you for excelling. We are talkung about different players over a period of 10 season s failing to wrap up on tackles ect. I will not blame Haley, i will Blame the Steelers for talking Ben out of retirement and Tomlin for allowing different players to commit the same mistakes.
Nice!!
But will Tomlin have the balls to step up and do something?
No.
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What's he gonna do? Bench him and start Jones??
what do you propose Tomlin do? Or do you want to just offer clever commentary?
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Tomlin and Haley hand out these “manuals” and expectations and every week this season, it’s been shoddy play. At what point do the “manuals and expectations” get questioned? It’s impossible that how poorly they are playing can all fall on the players not executing or following the “manual”.
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QB is missing open receivers. Is overthrowing wide open looks. Is audibling out of run plays to passes anytime a safety twitches pre snap. Etc.
The whole week all I heard was how Ben missed a wide open AB. You realize that was a genius play design?
Repeatedly Steelers players are being put in positions to succeed and are failing to seize that opportunity.
For me that is on the player. Way I see it, the defensive scheme gets you in position to miss the tackle. The player misses the tackle all on their own.
Tomlin can't tackle for the players. He tried that.
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You can pick examples on every drive of every game but it doesn’t all fall on the players. The play calling has been awful and if it’s in the plan to let Ben audible out of plays into something else, either that audible is bad or maybe the “manual” should no longer let Ben audible out of it.
If you kept making bad decisions at work, eventually your boss would either take that job away from you or not allow you to make decisions without his approval. If he continued to let you make bad decisions and did nothing to rectify it, your bosses, boss may come down on him and he’d be held accountable.
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Did the Steelers even play 10 good quarters so far this season? There is something going on in the locker room that has not been made public. I think some of it is from the Chicago nonsense. I think Ben would rather be somewhere else on Sundays now.
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I don't think Ben likes what the NFL has become.
So we are like the Bengals but just a little better.
maybe we should pepper in more screen plays
Steeler fans won't like this, but maybe a benching. A gamble. Something to get going.
But lets be honest here, Landry is garbage and Dobbs is unproven. So Tomlin doesn't really have much of a choice. Something has to get going.
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It appears it is no longer one of the most important parts of his life based on not just the retirement talk but his comments about the season taking time he could be spending with his family - priorities change at different stages of life
If you are financially set for life (if Ben is not he has bigger problems than 5 INTs this past Sunday) and would rather be doing something else while legitimately concerned about the long term consequences of continuing to play then it probably is time to go
In my opinion there are a HELL of alot of people NOT PLAYING WELL or doing their job. Tomlin not coaching well (doing his job), Haley calling terrible play's and not knowing when to call run/pass plays ( terrible OC), player's missing and/or not making tackles, dropping balls, offensive line not blocking/protecting QB, CB not covering receivers ( 3rd and longs and they give 1st downs), etc., etc.. Yea Tomlin, blame the season so far on Ben.....you asshole ! I agree, Ben isn't an elite QB now (was he ever?), and he's definitely having problems, but Mikey boy, you've been getting a ride for awhile now also.
Exactly.
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Did you read the article?
If the Steelers have all of this claimed talent then the problem would have to be the coaching.
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Yes i did, thank you for asking. But he didn't really say anything, as usual. We know Ben is a competitor, at least he used to be. And it was nice to see Brown say nice words about Ben, but so what ? I would just like for once see Tomlin get in everyone's ass and calling out everyone for doing the job they are getting paid to do. To me, the article didn't really say anything that we all didn't know, or really care about.
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Then, based on the ability to read, you know what Tomlin WAS saying. When has Tomlin EVER come out in front of the media and blasted players or coaches? I'm willing to bet there are much different conversations going on this week, than those post game comments. Just the fact that Tomlin said, Ben's not playing well, SHOULD cue you that it's being addressed. He said that he won't speak for Ben? Is that a shock? Ben has always owned up when he has a bad game. Tomlin does not speak for guys, nor does he blast them in public. That's who he is. But if you think there's no heat in private, I'm willing to bet you're very wrong.
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