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Fortunately the Steelers can rely on the calming influence and veteran leadership by example of ...... Martavis Bryant
Bryant said he would never display such open frustration, but understood Brown's frustration.
“It's probably been building up for weeks,” he said. “Some guys have that. … We always have his back no matter how he reacts or what he does. I told him to stay focused and stay with it.”
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/...-up-on-antonio
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I'm sure Tay tay knows some calming influence...Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
Fortunately the Steelers can rely on the calming influence and veteran leadership by example of ...... Martavis Bryant
Bryant said he would never display such open frustration, but understood Brown's frustration.
“It's probably been building up for weeks,” he said. “Some guys have that. … We always have his back no matter how he reacts or what he does. I told him to stay focused and stay with it.”
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/...-up-on-antonio
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Just be mellow, man.I'm sure Tay tay knows some calming influence...
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I agree. Ben has been doing a lot of talking about AB being a distraction, kind of funny tho, like Ben's retirement comments aren't.
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An alternative to going on the radio to call out your teammate
Linebacker Vince Wiliams, whose locker is next to Brown's, gave the All-Pro receiver a second round against the Gatorade bucket, which he flipped over out of frustration Sunday at Baltimore.
Williams captured the moment on video and posted it on social media, egging on his teammate while holding the bucket. Brown played along, though he was tamer on the jug this time around.
http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-...vince-williams
An alternative to going on the radio to call out your teammate
Linebacker Vince Wiliams, whose locker is next to Brown's, gave the All-Pro receiver a second round against the Gatorade bucket, which he flipped over out of frustration Sunday at Baltimore.
Williams captured the moment on video and posted it on social media, egging on his teammate while holding the bucket. Brown played along, though he was tamer on the jug this time around.
http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-...vince-williams
Vince William and Ramon Foster have great senses of humor.
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Humor helps keep any team together - life, business or sports. Especially with tattle tale types like Ben stirring the pot.
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When the head coach comes out and basically takes AB to task for the same thing Ben did, you know there's an ongoing problem. Many fans see still waters, but there's a lot going on below the surface. When the head coach is telling Antonio Brown to act like a professional....it's a problem.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/10...-professional/
If you've been in enough locker rooms, you can see all the signs right now. AB is a problem. He does this and his selfishness is much more prevalent than most know or want to admit.
I heard Ryan Clark on ESPN radio commenting on the AB touchdown. You know he has been critical of Big Ben, but he ripped AB and basically stated that AB has fooled people who he really is. He presents himself as a guy that's all about the team and he smiles into the camera and says all the right things when being interviewed. In the locker room, on the sideline, and whenever the camera's aren't rolling...he's a different guy. He's selfish.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/s...s/201710030184
I think people can try to pin this on Ben all they want, but everything points to AB being much more of a problem than fans want to admit.
Instead of placing more blame on one or the other maybe we should just face the fact that they're both divas at heart.
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Ben doesn't show anybody up on the field. That's AB's thing. He threw a cooler and was screaming and motioning towards Ben. Then he turned around and knocked Haley's hand away as he tried to talk to him. You can't compare that to anything Ben did towards a teammate.
Again....When the head coach publicly states that AB needs to act professionally.....that's a problem. There's a lot more going on and his ego is a problem.
Ben's got his issues, but come on.
I can't believe how fans just fall all over AB when he is constantly doing stupid shit on and off the field. When OBJ went crazy on the sideline, he wasn't specifically targeting his QB, and everyone accused him of being a malcontent, a lunatic, and an idiot. AB throws a fit and embarrasses his QB, and Steeler fans try to justify it by blaming the QB. It's something to behold.
Ryan Clark is right. The majority of fans drank the Kool-Aid on AB. He's a great player, but he is a needy guy and a disruptive force.
Agreed, but AB has also been the most consistent player we've had on offense this season - he's showed up to play every game. And I can also admit Ben needs to step it up. IMO, Ben hasn't been playing nearly as poorly as some seem to want to paint it, but he can play a LOT better too. Just my .02.
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This.
The reason AB gets a pass is because he shows up for practice, for games, for OTCs. He puts in the work, and the extra work needed. I'm a lot more willing to put up with someone who has a meltdown once or twice a year on the sidelines but is a great player who busts his but than I am willing to put up with someone like Randy Moss who decides to coast on several plays just because . . .
Good thing they're not playing in Denver this season...I'm sure Tay tay knows some calming influence...
Yep. I also hate to say it, but so far it has looked like AB wants the Lombardi more than Ben does...
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Hopefully, We don't have to watch AB propose to the water cooler next week.
Did I just read that a star wide out is also a me-first drama queen???
Pffft... save that mess. Next you’ll be trying to tell me that most cornerbacks are cocky. Or, that most good defenders are slightly crazy. Or, that water is often wet.
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Yep - Clark was not contending AB is some sort of outlier as a WR
"He’s like most receivers. He’s selfish."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...icking-people/
I remember Troy Aikman saying that Michael Irvin would plead for the ball after EVERY single play. But, Troy also averred that that is EXACTLY the attitude that he wanted from his WR.
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True, but not throwing coolers and screaming and cursing at him to show him up on live TV.
All this over one play when he was leading the NFL in targets, catches, and yards.
AB's tantrum on the field....Ben stirring up shit on his radio show.......which one undermines the team more........take your pick.
The tantrum was not good. But, he’s not wrong to be angry.
Think about it it this way:
BB had not won in Baltimore in the previous five tries. Steelers-Ravens is always a hard-fought, close game. So... EVERY point matters.
At that point in the game, the Steelers were only up 3-0. Leaving 7 points on the table (historically) should have led to a Steelers loss. So, yes, I was just as angry as AB (at that point in time).
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I will go with Ben - at this point AB's actions are inexcusable but irritating background noise
Ben seems to stir up shit weekly that he drags his teammates into - he was front & center on the anthem cluster, which was classic Ben
Team votes on a plan - AV asks to change plan - Ben changes plan without telling anyone on team other than Heyward - new plan is botched - hilarity ensues
Post-game Ben asked if he has a problem with what AV did - Ben simply says "no" without providing the explanation (alibi?) that was trotted out 24 hours later, leaving his teammates to try and explain WTF happened - leaves AV hanging
Post-game Ben also says -"we need to make sure we are unified as one group because that is what we are about and that is what it should be about. Staying together as one unit, one group, one brotherhood, things like that."
After media firestorm Sunday night/Monday morning, Ben dumps the unity/brotherhood theme, makes it clear that (at least as of Monday afternoon) he was not in favor of doing anything relating to an anthem protest and thereby shifts responsibility away from him - "I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest."
No surprise that does not go over well
Roethlisberger ticked off some teammates when he produced a personal public statement Monday on his website expressing regret for how the team handled the protest
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...t-was-handled/
That is Ben's leadership summarized in one event
Is that a big problem that is going to sink the team - highly doubtful - Bradshaw was distant from his teammates and not regarded as a leader on the 70s teams - all he needed to do was get it done on the field
But if Ben wants to keep saying he is the leader of the team his actions consistently undermine that goal
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I don't think that it isn't because Ben is trying to be a poor leader. I just think he is pretty dumb. When he has to move away from sports bro cliches and attempt to assimilate and communicate new information or complex ideas - he sounds like a moron.
I think Ben's overall "not smart" just gets him in trouble when he has to talk too much about - well, basically, anything.
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Agreed - the NFL created the myth of the QB as "field general" and we are encouraged to assume the QB is this brilliant leader of men
Looking on the sometimes elusive bright side, we could be dealing with Cam Newton as the Steelers QB
Dannon withdraws Cam Newton sponsorship after comment to female reporter
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...emale-reporter
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Sponsors really need to grow a set. People say stupid things all the time, everyone of us. My message would be 'toughen up or find a different line of work'. To be impressed by a lady calling out routes is just as sexist as laughing at the idea.Agreed - the NFL created the myth of the QB as "field general" and we are encouraged to assume the QB is this brilliant leader of men
Looking on the sometimes elusive bright side, we could be dealing with Cam Newton as the Steelers QB
Dannon withdraws Cam Newton sponsorship after comment to female reporter
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...emale-reporter
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He did not lose a Gillette razors/shaving cream endorsement
Yogurt skews largely female, lower to middle income, and age 25-45.
https://gocatalant.com/blog/is-yogur...-as-a-marketer
Advertisers are in the business of selling the product, not hanging with the endorser when the endorser can be replaced with someone less controversial who did not get into a slinging match with someone of the same gender as the target demographic group for the product
As far as the reporter v. Cam goes, we will see if playing the race card beats the sexism card - NFL will be thrilled with this story line as it develops
Charlotte Observer reporter Jourdan Rodrigue posted an apology on Twitter after three tweets she posted years ago were discovered by Black Sports Online.
In two of the tweets, Rodrigue referenced laughing at racist jokes. In the third she uses the word “nigga.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ensive-tweets/
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I get that. But like I said, if Newton had told the reporter how impressed he was with her knowledge of the route tree, he would have come off just as sexist. Not something he would have thought to say to a male reporter, after all. IMO, Dannon should see this as a chance to support ALL, and not just run away at the chance of someone getting their feelings hurt. I would bet a woman in that job has a tougher skin than they give her credit for. Or should we say, the media swarm that chose to make it more of an issue than it should have been. If a company would just ignore the knee jerk reactions of social media and those posing as journalists, maybe then we can start making some real news.
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There are two separate issues - whether this should be reported as news and whether a company should tough it out and stick with the endorser once it is reported
If you sell a product you ignore social media and video at your peril
Why are sponsors quicker to pull the trigger? It probably isn't an increased sense of social responsibility. It's how quickly graphic images and video can spread virally.
"We're in a world where social media and video capture everything," .... "Pictures are very hard to deny. … It's one thing to hear about it. It's another thing to see it."
http://www.adweek.com/brand-marketin...t-deal-161497/
In other words, wishing it had not been reported does not make the problem go away
As for Cam, maybe he could have just answered the question, which apparently did not involve a preface of the reporter showcasing her knowledge of route trees, rather than first smirking about how funny the question was?
Cam, I know you take a lot of pride in seeing your receivers play well. Devin Funchess has seemed to really embrace the physicality of his routes and getting those extra yards. Does that give you a little bit of enjoyment to see him kind of truck-sticking people out there?
Which prompted this initial response
“It’s funny to hear a female talk about routes, like…” Newton said. “It’s funny.”
The video is more offensive than the print version of the exchange
What if a black or female reporter asked a CEO whether the high P/E ratio of the company's stock price might indicate the stock is overvalued and the CEO responded "it's funny to hear a black (or female) talk about P/E ratios, like ... It's funny"
Some players have expressed contempt for reporters who "never played the game" (Howard Cosell made that the title of his autobiography) but it is not the equivalent of mastering brain surgery to figure out how pro football is played and not only men can do it
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Honestly, when I heard about this today on the radio, my initial reaction was that Dannon overreacted. However, after seeing that video and how he talked down to her like that, I have a completely
different feeling about it. I actually feel sorry for Cam that he thinks of women that way. Tells me a lot about his character. And being as Dannon's main target demographic is women ages 25-45, I
would have cancelled his contract too.
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