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For a game in which the Pittsburgh Steelers won, it does not appear that many people are all too happy with the specifics of how things went down. But there was at least the bright spot of a solid debut performance for rookie first-round draft pick T.J. Watt, who put together a nice stat sheet for himself.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/09...k-1-int-debut/
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Dude dominated
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The kid is the real deal !
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Is it safe to say that today was the floor, and TJ's ceiling is still a season or two away.
Dong sacks!
T J Wattadong......Originally Posted by fansince'76
Dong sacks!
What about Chikiladong with 2 sacks as well and 6 tackles?
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Those were Chick sacks...T J Wattadong......
What about Chikiladong with 2 sacks as well and 6 tackles?
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Like I said a long time ago, forget this "If TJ is 50% of JJ" crap. He may not reach 100% but he's his own player and I think the potential is there to get close to JJ.
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I'll repeat what I said in a thread last week. He's a rookies, so if has a bad day I won't get too down on him because he has a lot to learn. If he has a great day I won't crown him, I still remember Kendrell Bell too well.
Getting more specific about his game today, while I'm not the "dong sack" guy (that still cracks me up), his sacks weren't impressive. It's what I expect a good, veteran NFL player to do. And that's the part that excites me. He showed good awareness, hustle, and a motor that kept turning. To see a rookie making plays I expect good veterans to make is nice. I also saw him get swallowed up a few times by OTs, but that'll happen to everyone, and as I keep saying, it'll keep happening to him until he fills out his frame with a couple more years in the weight room.
What did impress me the most was his athleticism and soft hands with the interception. It really shouldn't as he was a former TE, but to see him climb the latter and snag the ball out of the air the way he did, then have the presence of mind to remember in the NFL, the play wasn't over until he was touched was a thing of beauty.
On a veteran scale, I'd give him an A- for today (I just can't give him more until he gets better at fighting off tackles). But on a rookie scale, he gets an A+ for today's game.
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Or, said in a different way, TJ is his own man, and I'm looking forward to seeing what that means for him.
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When TJ ends up with 15 sacks, there will be several posters who find a way to minimize each one throughout the season. Does anybody remember how long it's been since a Steeler put up double-digit sacks?
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2010 Harrison (10.5) and Woodley (10)
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Exactly.
But Woodley was fat and all he did was get dong sacks.
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But Woodley was fat and all he did was get dong sacks.
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All I want to see is him create his opportunity for sacks vs. capitalizing on what he's been given. I'm happy for the latter and seeing that he can do so as a rookie means the game already isn't too big for him. The former, however, is where the separation happens. As I kept saying, i was worried when we drafted him because I didn't see the former in his game based on speed and strength. And, also like I keep saying, he's shown speed of late, which makes me very happy. Now, i'm just waiting for strength so he doesn't get swallowed up by OTs. Until he can do that consistently, he'll be compared to Jarvis Jones because that was Jones's biggest problem. OTs swallowed him up.
Do I think Watt will end his career as another Jones? Nope. Not at all. His motor and his work ethic makes me very hopeful he'll spend a lot of off-season in the weight room putting size on his frame.
As for one sack equaling another . . . in stats, sure. In ending a down, sure. In exposing a player's ability? Not at all. None of us would be happy with signing a RB that ran through a five foot hole on every touch and gained 10 yards, if he averages -3 yards whenever a five foot hole does not appear. We'd rather have the player that creates a 4 yard run through traffic, because that player can also get 10 yards through a five-foot hole.
In other words, I'm not looking at game-effect, I'm looking at player development and future ability.
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I always find it amusing when people try to downplay how a guy got his sacks.
Jarvis Jones had how many of these "hustle" sacks in 4 years here? If they were that easy to get, he probably would have gotten a few more sacks...don't you think?
There is a reason that certain guys just find a way on the field. It's quickness, instincts, relentlessness, and just a feel for the game. Not everyone can do it, or they would be.
Let's also not forget that he did this going up against Joe Thomas....not the 3rd string RT that was playing LT because everyone else on the team got hurt. This was Joe Freaking Thomas.
Is Watt going to do this every week? Of course not. Nobody can keep up that pace. But someone shouldn't minimize what he did because they want to try to justify what they thought about him before he was drafted. Give the guy the credit that he has earned.
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Agreed. No one seems to care how Von Miller gets his sacks, where quite a few of them are coverage/hustle sacks because of how good their secondary is. A sack is a sack people. I'll take all of them.
“I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!” - Jack Lambert
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Vong sacks
Vong sacks!!!
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“I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!” - Jack Lambert
But how much are you willing to pay a player if he collects 12 unblocked sacks? The Steelers drafted Jarvis Jones based on sacks, not how he got the sacks. Even Harrison has gone in untouched, but we can all tell by the tape he earns most of his sacks. Harrison would have twice as many if he wasn't held and tackled to much : )
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It all evens out over the course of a season. There will always be some easy ones. You don't base a player's salary on just sacks anyway. That's just one measurement of many.
“I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!” - Jack Lambert
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You mean TD catches count even if you're wide open???
What will TJ Watt have to do, in order for you to stop comparing him to Jarvis Jones?
Where in my post was I comparing Watt to Jones?
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3 Reel Treasure Slots Champion!Why can't you just let the guy just develop instead of comparing him to Jarvis at every turn. The kid has done nothing but bust his ass since day one, how about giving credit where credit is due for a change. We don't compare you to Archie Bunker, even though I think we should sometimes. You just always seem so damn grumpy, do you even enjoy Steelers Football?
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No doubt!
“I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!” - Jack Lambert
Where in any of my posts have I discredited Watt? Did I not name him one of the heroes of the game? Your problem is you are overly sensitive.
Also, in the post you are referring to I didn't compare Watt to Jones. In an earlier post my reference to Jones would apply to any Steeler who receives a starting job based on anything other than play on the field.
Feel free to compare me to Bunker all you want. I will compare you to Frank Burns from MASH. Sound good?
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