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The Browns are said to be shopping Joe Haden, looks like $14.4m contract for this year. I know he was hurt for a couple game last year, but this would could be a good pickup. He is 28 and if he keeps up his probowl play, he could be the last key to get over the hump. What do you all think?
not at 11-12 millions per year and he is not that good too.
This move makes too much sense. It won't happen
I'm sure there will be a bunch of posts say "Haden isn't that good." We'll completely disregard the fact that he's been stuck in Cleveland. BTW I remember a washed up running back that wore 36 that was traded for once upon a time. That worked out alright. But I'm sure we'll ho hum the idea. So please disregard this post. You bunch of negative Nancy's!
Originally Posted by BurghBoy412
not at 10-12 millions per year...
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Too much sense?
Haden's contract will not make any trade easy. He is due to be paid $11.1 million this season, and $11.2 million and $10.4 million in 2018 and '19. Any team that acquires Haden would have to accept those salaries for a corner who last went to the Pro Bowl in 2014.
In the two years since his last Pro Bowl appearance Haden has fought through injuries. He missed 11 games in 2015 with a finger injury and concussion that cost him several games, and three last season, when he played through two groin issues that required postseason surgery.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...n-cb-joe-haden
So Haden brings a combo platter of high salary hit + injury issues (after the Ladarius Green fiasco Steelers presumably leery of any trades for players who have missed time for concussions).
Browns apparently are tanking the season and want to dump salary for signings next offseason. Wait them out, see if they release Haden, then possibly try to negotiate a contract with a low $$ base and incentives.
Do not want, unless they're willing to take a 5th and eat most of his salary.
He's just not the same player, injuries slowed him down.
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How about comparing him to Cockrell instead of his probowl year. He may not be as good as that year, but is he a significant upgrade at our CB position? That is what we need, one more good CB to get this team over the hump.
If we use PFF's #'s from last season - than Cockrell is 100 CBs better than Haden.
Now, how much does injuries and being a Brown impact those #'s? No idea.
But Haden is a very expensive gamble at this point. That said, for the right price I would totally do it.
That's too much money for him no way the Steelers would sign off for this.
no thanks to Haden but I would gladly entertain Briean Boddy Calhoun whom I was pretty high on predraft and was convinced he would be a Steeler , good cover guy who can play man or zone , very good in run support , just had Steeler written all over him
No because of the money. Otherwise, I would.
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He could wind up getting flat out cut, I see no one taking on his contract.
If he's cut, then I'm sure the Steelers would entertain the idea of signing him.
There isn't a player on the current roster that can even come close to these career numbers.https://www.pro-football-reference.c...H/HadeJo99.htm If you don't think a 28 year old Haden is worth it. Name a player out there that is worth it. The window is closing Ben is gone by 2020. If they don't put some cash on the table and make a move they'll waste this opportunity. Once Ben is gone. There is no telling how long it will take to find another franchise QB. Especially one that is capable of winning a Super Bowl. If they don't address the CB#2. I'm sorry but this team will not win a Super Bowl this year.
The problem is his salary....
The problem is Ben Roethlisberger is almost done! You can't keep looking at things like your HOF QB has 10 years left. I bet they get 2 more if they're lucky.
I would sign Revis if he wants to play instead.
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Mel Blount and Rod Woodson have better career numbers too - should they be brought in?
Past results are no guarantee of future performance but more recent numbers usually are a better gauge of current value than peak numbers
As Mojouw posted above, PFF is no fan of the current level of Haden's play.
PFF ran this story before this year's draft - would you pay Haden's current salary given his performance the past two seasons?
https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...b-in-the-draft
- Haden was tied for sixth in the NFL for most touchdowns given up (six) last season.
- Haden also allowed the 12th-most yards per coverage snap at 1.48.
- 10 missed tackles in 2016 were the highest total in his career
I don't even know what to say to that. Lol
Haden is still better than any CB on this team.Mel Blount and Rod Woodson have better career numbers too - should they be brought in?
Past results are no guarantee of future performance but more recent numbers usually are a better gauge of current value than peak numbers
PFF ran this story before this year's draft - would you paty Haden's salry given his performance the past two seasons?
https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...b-in-the-draft
- Haden was tied for sixth in the NFL for most touchdowns given up (six) last season.
- Haden also allowed the 12th-most yards per coverage snap at 1.48.
- 10 missed tackles in 2016 were the highest total in his career
Yes If Mel Blount and Rod Woodson can help win a title. Sign them as well!
Not in the last 2 years....
I suppose his last 2 years erase all of his good years. I'm sure you'll tell me how Cockrell has been better now.
It's funny everyone wants to win a Championship but is too damn Conservative to actually make a move. YOU'RE HOF QB is about to RETIRE!!!
This is "what you did lately" league.
I do not want the steelers to start making desperate moves on players they are not close to being at the level of their salary.
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My point is you play on the field, not on your past accomplishments that are not likely to be achieved again
Debatable Haden currently is better than Burns but you are proposing the equivalent of Mercedes $$$ for a CB when the purchase has been in the shop much of the past two seasons and at best will now have a non-luxury level of performance - budgets are a pain to live within but cannot be ignored
Too damn Conservative for my liking. Ben is going to retire soon! Do something!
I think Roethlisberger will still play at least 3 years and the steelers had great success in the 2000s by being conservative
So you're saying you can exactly predict how well he'll perform this year? Hello, Ben is about to hang it up!
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If he was coming in to negotiate a new deal today that is an accurate statement of how any offer to him would be valued - a player can have an off year but two bad years with injuries on the downside of a career is significant
We will not win much with a high risk, low reward move.
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