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    Watt and Hilton

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    Starting d-line looked dominate.

    Hargrave jumped off the screen. Guy is going to be a monster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurghBoy412 View Post
    Watt and Hilton
    As for the rookies I agree. Hawkins really sucked. I'll have to go back and review the game but I think he was the reason for most of Dobbs sacks.

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    Well, it's true.

    Love MT, straight forward.

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    Winners: Moats showed he's still got it. Hilton was impressive.

    Losers: Landry Jones. Both QBs tonight played better than Landry Jones had until last year. Dobbs had a horrible beginning, but really turned it around. Bart Houston looked confident and good. He missed a TD throw, but if that's one of our top two or three WRs, that throw may have been caught (speed and crisper route running).

    Also, B. J. Finney (I believe he was the starting center). Ugh! Watching that middle collapse reminded me of the bad ol' days a few years ago before Pouncey showed up.

    Third Category: Did well for themselves: T.J. Watt. As Tomlin basically said, his sacks were gimmes, so I'm not that impressed by them. However, he had a few other plays that caught my attention for good reasons, then, some other plays . . . . Also, Cobi Hamilton helped himself tonight.


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    I can agree with Tomlin on both counts, but Watt did show great energy, effort, conditioning and never looked out of place or confused. He going to be a good one.

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    Watt no surprise there in my opinion, Was very impressed with Hilton being around the ball and didn't know much on him. Moats was a beast tonight!

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    Hilton , Watson and Hamilton all made cases for themselves but not sure that will be enough for Hamilton WR is so incredibly deep on this unit

    Moats made Chickillo job tougher esp if he misses more time can't make the club in the tub Moats put on a clinic but it should be expected considering half the guys he played against will be flipping burgers or pushing shopping carts in a few months

    Hilton 2 special teams tackles , 1 fumble recovery and a big time sack of a guy quite a bit larger than himself ( Hilton 5'8" 175 ) a solo open field tackle and around the ball a lot
    Watson was by far our best RB tonight would like to see him play some earlier snaps next week and see if that trend continues


    guys I though did not help themself are

    Fitz , Davis , Hawkins ( but he isn't going anywhere this year ) DHB ,Tucker ( but not really his fault ) Dixon ( 3 penalties )

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    After tonight... I'm thinking this team should make a move for a quality #2 RB. After Bell the talent level at that position drops off the edge of the World. If Bell goes down this team is in trouble.

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    Re: Steelers vs Giants: Winners And Losers

    Quote Originally Posted by BurghBoy412 View Post
    After tonight... I'm thinking this team should make a move for a quality #2 RB. After Bell the talent level at that position drops off the edge of the World. If Bell goes down this team is in trouble.
    Watson averaged 4.4 ypc and got a score nothing wrong with that work , granted vs scrubs but we had scrubs in blocking for him too so there is that ...

    also our rookie RB was not playing tonight either ( Conner ) so there is that

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurghBoy412 View Post
    After tonight... I'm thinking this team should make a move for a quality #2 RB. After Bell the talent level at that position drops off the edge of the World. If Bell goes down this team is in trouble.
    Isn't that why we drafted Conner? He just needs to get healthy. I don't think that Davis or Fitz is worthy of making the final 53.
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    Conner has had injury problems himself. Besides I don't think it's fair to say he's a quality#2 when he hasn't played a snap yet in a game.

    TE is looking pretty scary right now as well.

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    Conner has had injury problems himself. Besides I don't think it's fair to say he's a quality#2 when he hasn't played a snap yet in a game.

    TE is looking pretty scary right now as well.
    I'm not sold on Conner and great story and fine man. I think he was taking early over better rb's because of that. Just me and never watched him play.

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    Hilton , Watson and Hamilton all made cases for themselves but not sure that will be enough for Hamilton WR is so incredibly deep on this unit

    Moats made Chickillo job tougher esp if he misses more time can't make the club in the tub Moats put on a clinic but it should be expected considering half the guys he played against will be flipping burgers or pushing shopping carts in a few months

    Hilton 2 special teams tackles , 1 fumble recovery and a big time sack of a guy quite a bit larger than himself ( Hilton 5'8" 175 ) a solo open field tackle and around the ball a lot
    Watson was by far our best RB tonight would like to see him play some earlier snaps next week and see if that trend continues


    guys I though did not help themself are

    Fitz , Davis , Hawkins ( but he isn't going anywhere this year ) DHB ,Tucker ( but not really his fault ) Dixon ( 3 penalties )
    As I said in the Game Day post Chickillo is garbage and haven't showed anything since he's been here. Moats is head and shoulders the better player and it's not even close.

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    Watson and Hilton maybe those "underdog" free agent guys that make the team that the Steelers always seem to find.



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    Our running game was good tonight....124 yards on 4.6 YPC despite that the run blocking was not always good.

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    I am so sick of the crazy bias of the the fans and writers for the steelers.

    If ANYONE else on the team did what Cobi Hamilton did in last nights game, he would be praised as if he was the best thing walking. The writers say he always jumps when he catches the ball, well if he didn't jumped then we wouldn't have snagged that 44 yards. Oh, and he used his hands NOT is body. (For those of you who lie to say that about him as well)

    all i in need is for folks to give credit where credit is due. He is the only receiver that showed ANYTHING last night... including Eli Rogers. Where was he last night? Ugh.

    Justin Hunter is a lock and hasn't played one game? Lol. One person makes some
    drops, it ain't a big deal. Another person makes some drops, it's the end of their career.

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    I still think we should sign Ray Rice as backup to Bell.

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    Easily: Watt, Hilton and Moats. Watson was good but I'd like to see him against some better competition. Dobbs was not that much more impressive than Jones in the preseason. As a matter of fact, he's probably trending on the same curve after one game. Nothing to get over excited about and think that he's going to eliminate Jones from the roster. Not after that performance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by j-d-s View Post
    I still think we should sign Ray Rice as backup to Bell.
    I'd bring him in for a try out..no doubt.


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    I didn't watch the game closely because we went to our sportsbar and we were catching up with friends. Game ball to Watt is a no brainer.

    Dear JJ: whatever advice you've been giving your little bother, thank you.

    Dobbs had a shaky start (to say the least) but he seemed to be getting his bearings as the game went on. More accuracy on the long balls than the short ones, but he also didn't have the full starters around him. I'm not writing him off at this stage and anyone who is is jumping the gun (IMO).

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    I'd bring him in for a try out..no doubt.
    Not me. Even before the "girl friend beat down" he was running really poorly. Averaging 3 yrds per carry his last season......which was 2013. I'd bring back Williams before Rice.

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    Nothing to get over excited about and think that he's going to eliminate Jones from the roster. Not after that performance.
    Your memory must be short or you repressed something on Jones. If you look at Dobbs last night, and watched Jones, yes, Dobbs (and even Houston) are something worth looking at and talking about.

    I don't blame you of course, Landry Jones never did anything noteworthy in the preseason besides barely exist, and the best memory of him was his 4 INT greasefire last year.

    Dobbs actually showed some life and tangibles. Response to adversity after a horrible start. Mobility. Play extension. Playmaking. Something to make us hopeful for him. He should've had two TD passes last night as far as I'm concerned..

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    What T.J Watt did wasn't too impressive but I wished Jarvis Jones would get gimme sacks like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edman View Post
    Your memory must be short or you repressed something on Jones. If you look at Dobbs last night, and watched Jones, yes, Dobbs (and even Houston) are something worth looking at and talking about.

    I don't blame you of course, Landry Jones never did anything noteworthy in the preseason besides barely exist, and the best memory of him was his 4 INT greasefire last year.

    Dobbs actually showed some life and tangibles. Response to adversity after a horrible start. Mobility. Play extension. Playmaking. Something to make us hopeful for him. He should've had two TD passes last night as far as I'm concerned..

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    What T.J Watt did wasn't too impressive but I wished Jarvis Jones would get gimme sacks like that.
    You want to compare Jones over Watt? Watt played 62 snaps, far more than anyone on offense or defense with no let up in his play. He got a few easy sacks but still got them, demonstrated he can get off blocks, pressured the QB, had endless effort, energy and conditioning, never looked out of position or confused.


    PFF on Watt:


    • Pittsburgh Steelers first-round pick edge defender T.J. Watt made his preseason debut Friday night. Watt impressed, playing 62 total snaps during the 20-12 victory over the New York Giants.
    • Watt’s 62 snaps were the most by any player during the game and he earned the highest grade of any player in the game with an overall PFF game grade of 86.1.
    • Watt impressed rushing the passer, of his 33 pass-rush snaps Watt pressured the QB six times including two sacks and a hit. His six total pressures are tied for the most in a single game so far this preseason. Watt had a pass-rush productivity of 25.0 during the game (pass-rush productivity measures pressure created on a per-snap basis with weighting toward sacks). As impressive as the numbers were his two sacks — one came via a clean-up and the other unblocked.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...reseason-debut

    Here's Tomlins full statement on Watt after the game.Coach Mike Tomlin wasn't too impressed with T.J. Watt's sacks, calling them the easiest of his career. "I don't want him to get disillusioned," Tomlin told KDKA-TV at halftime. "But I do like the things that I've seen so far."

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerNnyc View Post
    I am so sick of the crazy bias of the the fans and writers for the steelers.

    If ANYONE else on the team did what Cobi Hamilton did in last nights game, he would be praised as if he was the best thing walking. The writers say he always jumps when he catches the ball, well if he didn't jumped then we wouldn't have snagged that 44 yards. Oh, and he used his hands NOT is body. (For those of you who lie to say that about him as well)

    all i in need is for folks to give credit where credit is due. He is the only receiver that showed ANYTHING last night... including Eli Rogers. Where was he last night? Ugh.

    Justin Hunter is a lock and hasn't played one game? Lol. One person makes some
    drops, it ain't a big deal. Another person makes some drops, it's the end of their career.

    His two catchs were against Antwon Blake.

    I remember very well how bad Blake was in 2015, Blake was the starter for no reason.

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    Re: Steelers vs Giants: Winners And Losers

    Dobbs looked quite a bit like a few Tenn games I saw last year. A shaky start but got more composed as the game action unfolded. That said, you can't give up int's like he did last night, at any time during the game. Hopefully he builds on a solid finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Dobbs looked quite a bit like a few Tenn games I saw last year. A shaky start but got more composed as the game action unfolded. That said, you can't give up int's like he did last night, at any time during the game. Hopefully he builds on a solid finish.
    I think he will be fine at 2#, if he doesn't replace Jones this year , he surely will next season. The line wasn't very good and Hawkins was really bad.

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